Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Jalen Bluntson]

Entertaining a Rose extension is ridiculous. He already missed games and we have 54 games left.

Be patient and enjoy the show. Most on here have never seen such a backcourt.

[DowNY]

I'd like to find a way to trade D Rose for Jrue Holiday.
Not only would he benefit from being around his brother, but he's younger than Rose & brings an awesome talent to the game.
Another reason I'd want this to happen is because of Holiday's cap hold compared to D Rose's cap hold when thinking about bird rights.
We can potentially sign another Free Agent then resign Holiday after to go over the cap.

[Fat]

Here's the way I look at our point guard problem. According to Sportrac.com, theses players are point guards up for free agency next year
Rose
Curry
Holiday
Williams
Teague
Hill
Calderon
Livingston
Collison
Jennings
Mills
Burke(RFA)
Brooks
Carter-Williams
Shelvin Mack
Felton
Udrih
John Lucas III
Lawson
Brian Roberts
Jonathan Gibson(RFA)
Lowry
Paul

So, lets split them into categories:

Players who aren't coming here
Curry
Hill
Burke
Gibson
Paul
Lowry

Players who will command the same price (or higher) as Rose but could come here
Rose
Holiday
Teague
Mills

Which leaves us with
Williams
Calderon
Livingston
Collison
Jennings
Brooks
MCW
Mack
Felton
Udrih
Lucas
Lawson
Roberts
Who will all command less than Rose, but none are really starting quality

So really, the debate is between Rose, Holiday, Teague, and Mills for starter, and one of the others (probably Jennings) as a backup.

My personal opinions on these players:
Rose
+we know what he is at this point
+definitely has chemistry with Melo
+one more year of experience with this team would make him better with us next year
-health concerns
-needs to develop his jumpshot
-needs to set up other players more

Holiday
+2 years younger than Rose
+better defender
+better shooter
+better at running an offense
-I'm more concerned about his health than Rose's
-Pelicans will throw all the money at him, which would include a 5th year, which we cannot match

Teague
+has been on quality teams
+can run an offense
+good shooter
-really bad defensively
-has a really punchable face

Mills
+good shooter
+superb system player (can thrive in a system without being #1)
+Spurs player
-Is he starter quality?
-would he fit with our system?
-might not be able to pry him from San Antonio, but I don't know

My plan would be to get Patty Mills and re-sign Jennings, but Livingston, Mack, and Collison are all intriguing and realistic options for us. As much as I do think Holiday is a solid point guard, I don't see that much improvement from Rose to him, and his injury history is just as offputting, but this is a moot point because we probably wouldn't be able to get him anyways

yeah i rather just tank for one of the top guards in the upcoming draft but that looks highly unlikely to happen. Im not thrilled with the list all i see is a bunch of slightly above average point guards and some good bench depth point guards. Theirs no real game changers here that we have a shot of signing.

Curry- forget about it
Paul - forget about it

Holiday - i can see him being available if the pelicans choose to sign a guard through the draft (i'd be okay with this signing but does it really make us that much better? probably not and just as much of a health concern as rose

Teague- not thrilled.. again does this signing make us that much better?

2018's free agent class of point guards is even worse.

i think the knicks end up bringing rose back

[Knicksfan20]

How is Patty Mills a max player?

[NYKMentality85]

I'd like to find a way to trade D Rose for Jrue Holiday.
Not only would he benefit from being around his brother, but he's younger than Rose & brings an awesome talent to the game.
Another reason I'd want this to happen is because of Holiday's cap hold compared to D Rose's cap hold when thinking about bird rights.
We can potentially sign another Free Agent then resign Holiday after to go over the cap.

Not me. Holiday wouldn't be a bad fall back option and may be 1 1/2 years younger, but Rose is the better player.
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Derrick: 16.7 points, 4.5 assists & 4.0 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .458%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .518%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .471%.
Turnover Percentage of 13.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 16.57.

Holiday: 14.4 points, 6.2 assists & 3.7 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .419%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .488%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .460%
Turnover Percentage of 14.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 15.27.
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What these statistics fail to show, is the overall impact that Rose has made during 4th Quarters.

With that said I'm willing to let the season play out (since it's still pretty early) but when i see posters overlooking current D.Rose for the likes of Holiday, i start to feel as if Rose himself is not getting the type of respect/recognition in which he rightfully deserves.

[TimRobbins]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

[DowNY]

I'd like to find a way to trade D Rose for Jrue Holiday.
Not only would he benefit from being around his brother, but he's younger than Rose & brings an awesome talent to the game.
Another reason I'd want this to happen is because of Holiday's cap hold compared to D Rose's cap hold when thinking about bird rights.
We can potentially sign another Free Agent then resign Holiday after to go over the cap.

Not me. Holiday wouldn't be a bad fall back option and may be 1 1/2 years younger, but Rose is the better player.
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Derrick: 16.7 points, 4.5 assists & 4.0 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .458%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .518%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .471%.
Turnover Percentage of 13.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 16.57.

Holiday: 14.4 points, 6.2 assists & 3.7 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .419%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .488%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .460%
Turnover Percentage of 14.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 15.27.
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What these statistics fail to show, is the overall impact that Rose has made during 4th Quarters.

With that said I'm willing to let the season play out (since it's still pretty early) but when i see posters overlooking current D.Rose for the likes of Holiday, i start to feel as if Rose himself is not getting the type of respect/recognition in which he rightfully deserves.

I recognize how D Rose is playing. I also recognize what type of person he is. He's about the money. I've seen those types before. Play really good in contract years then take their foot off the gas after.
Holiday missed all preseason & like 20 games at the beginning of the season due to his wife's illness. Then he had to come off the bench.
He just recently became a starter again, so those stats of his are meh to me right now.
Like I said, I take Holiday over Rose for the reason I explained.
Business, not personal.

[ChilledAlex]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose keeps playing like this and is healthy a 4y/70m deal would be such a steal in this new inflated market

[TimRobbins]

Actually, the way Rose has been playing this season, the Knicks should entertain an extension if Rose takes a discount. 4/$70 with a team option would be a good deal for all sides.

If Rose keeps playing like this and is healthy a 4y/70m deal would be such a steal in this new inflated market

I think he'll probably have to take a discount. He doesn't have a great rep at this point in time. Even if he continues to play well, I can't really see the team that will pay him much more (Maybe the Nets).

Knicks should definitely try to offer him something along those lines and see if he bites.

[NYKMentality85]

I'd like to find a way to trade D Rose for Jrue Holiday.
Not only would he benefit from being around his brother, but he's younger than Rose & brings an awesome talent to the game.
Another reason I'd want this to happen is because of Holiday's cap hold compared to D Rose's cap hold when thinking about bird rights.
We can potentially sign another Free Agent then resign Holiday after to go over the cap.

Not me. Holiday wouldn't be a bad fall back option and may be 1 1/2 years younger, but Rose is the better player.
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Derrick: 16.7 points, 4.5 assists & 4.0 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .458%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .518%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .471%.
Turnover Percentage of 13.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 16.57.

Holiday: 14.4 points, 6.2 assists & 3.7 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .419%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .488%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .460%
Turnover Percentage of 14.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 15.27.
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What these statistics fail to show, is the overall impact that Rose has made during 4th Quarters.

With that said I'm willing to let the season play out (since it's still pretty early) but when i see posters overlooking current D.Rose for the likes of Holiday, i start to feel as if Rose himself is not getting the type of respect/recognition in which he rightfully deserves.

I recognize how D Rose is playing. I also recognize what type of person he is. He's about the money. I've seen those types before. Play really good in contract years then take their foot off the gas after.
Holiday missed all preseason & like 20 games at the beginning of the season due to his wife's illness. Then he had to come off the bench.
He just recently became a starter again, so those stats of his are meh to me right now.
Like I said, I take Holiday over Rose for the reason I explained.
Business, not personal.

I'm sorry. But you don't know what type of person (or what type of father) Rose is. You don't know the man personally (for who he truly is).

And let's stop with this Rose is all about money talk. All professional sports stars are about money. From Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, DeMar DeRozan, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley Jr, Damian Lillard etc even Patrick Ewing was the highest paid NBA player back in 1998-1999. All big name players want money, so let's not single Derrick Rose out in that regard.

And this "contract year" talk is absoulatly disgusting. Jrue Holiday is also in a contract year, so what's your point?

Was Rose in a contract year the year he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time? Was Rose in a contract year when he battled back from a right knee injury/surgery back in 2013? Was Rose in a contract year when he faught back from a torn right knee meniscus early 2015? The answer would be 'no' to all of the above.

Look. Say what you say about Rose the player but don't you dare attack the man with remarks such as "i recognize what type of person he is". "He's about the money". "I've seen his kind before". "He's in a contract year" etc. etc

Because in reality Rose has shown more heart, fight, resilience, mental strength & overall determination (to return to the game he loves) when compared to 99.9% of these athletes in America today.

The passion, pride & love for the game is something that you can never take away from Derrick Rose. It's bush league even attempting to do so.

[GettinitDone]

Rose's penetration ability is really the difference maker between a very good Knicks offense and a below average Knicks offense. The Pacers game further proved this.

[doesntmatterz]

Not me. Holiday wouldn't be a bad fall back option and may be 1 1/2 years younger, but Rose is the better player.
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Derrick: 16.7 points, 4.5 assists & 4.0 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .458%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .518%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .471%.
Turnover Percentage of 13.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 16.57.

Holiday: 14.4 points, 6.2 assists & 3.7 rebounds per game.

Field Goal Percentage (FG%) of .419%.
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) of .488%.
Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG%) of .460%
Turnover Percentage of 14.8%.
Player Efficiency Rating (PER) of 15.27.
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What these statistics fail to show, is the overall impact that Rose has made during 4th Quarters.

With that said I'm willing to let the season play out (since it's still pretty early) but when i see posters overlooking current D.Rose for the likes of Holiday, i start to feel as if Rose himself is not getting the type of respect/recognition in which he rightfully deserves.

I recognize how D Rose is playing. I also recognize what type of person he is. He's about the money. I've seen those types before. Play really good in contract years then take their foot off the gas after.
Holiday missed all preseason & like 20 games at the beginning of the season due to his wife's illness. Then he had to come off the bench.
He just recently became a starter again, so those stats of his are meh to me right now.
Like I said, I take Holiday over Rose for the reason I explained.
Business, not personal.

I'm sorry. But you don't know what type of person (or what type of father) Rose is. You don't know the man personally (for who he truly is).

And let's stop with this Rose is all about money talk. All professional sports stars are about money. From Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, DeMar DeRozan, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley Jr, Damian Lillard etc even Patrick Ewing was the highest paid NBA player back in 1998-1999. All big name players want money, so let's not single Derrick Rose out in that regard.

And this "contract year" talk is absoulatly disgusting. Jrue Holiday is also in a contract year, so what's your point?

Was Rose in a contract year the year he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time? Was Rose in a contract year when he battled back from a right knee injury/surgery back in 2013? Was Rose in a contract year when he faught back from a torn right knee meniscus early 2015? The answer would be 'no' to all of the above.

Look. Say what you say about Rose the player but don't you dare attack the man with remarks such as "i recognize what type of person he is". "He's about the money". "I've seen his kind before". "He's in a contract year" etc. etc

Because in reality Rose has shown more heart, fight, resilience, mental strength & overall determination (to return to the game he loves) when compared to 99.9% of these athletes in America today.

Wow the mother fuc8kin truth! Great post.

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[NYKMentality85]

I recognize how D Rose is playing. I also recognize what type of person he is. He's about the money. I've seen those types before. Play really good in contract years then take their foot off the gas after.
Holiday missed all preseason & like 20 games at the beginning of the season due to his wife's illness. Then he had to come off the bench.
He just recently became a starter again, so those stats of his are meh to me right now.
Like I said, I take Holiday over Rose for the reason I explained.
Business, not personal.

I'm sorry. But you don't know what type of person (or what type of father) Rose is. You don't know the man personally (for who he truly is).

And let's stop with this Rose is all about money talk. All professional sports stars are about money. From Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Al Horford, DeMar DeRozan, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley Jr, Damian Lillard etc even Patrick Ewing was the highest paid NBA player back in 1998-1999. All big name players want money, so let's not single Derrick Rose out in that regard.

And this "contract year" talk is absoulatly disgusting. Jrue Holiday is also in a contract year, so what's your point?

Was Rose in a contract year the year he became the NBA's youngest MVP of All-Time? Was Rose in a contract year when he battled back from a right knee injury/surgery back in 2013? Was Rose in a contract year when he faught back from a torn right knee meniscus early 2015? The answer would be 'no' to all of the above.

Look. Say what you say about Rose the player but don't you dare attack the man with remarks such as "i recognize what type of person he is". "He's about the money". "I've seen his kind before". "He's in a contract year" etc. etc

Because in reality Rose has shown more heart, fight, resilience, mental strength & overall determination (to return to the game he loves) when compared to 99.9% of these athletes in America today.

Wow the mother fuc8kin truth! Great post.

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Yea man. I've respected the heck out of Rose way before he became a Knick. The personal agenda in which (a few) fans have against Rose is disturbing.

Basketball saved this man's life & took him and his little family out of the dangerous streets of Chicago. To question his love, drive & overall passion he has for this game is bush league.

To question his mental strength, fight, resilience & overall determination while acting as if he's the next coming of Eddy Curry is disrespectful to all that Rose has overcame as both a player and as a person.

Who's to say Jrue Holiday wouldn't be the one to "mail it in" once he lands his biggest contract? Because i know for sure it wouldn't be Derrick Rose ala a player who's already at a net worth of $70,000,000 ($70 Million) but yet (still) striving to become a better player.

Mind boggling to say the least.

[blanko]

Do you max a player with a per of 16.5? What happened if rose wants max years for max dollars?


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[Jeff Van Gully]

Do you max a player with a per of 16.5? What happened if rose wants max years for max dollars?


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the market will have to dictate that. i don't see him asking for it outright, but if he suddenly becomes the best option on the table in the league... it could be discussed.

as has been mentioned before, it's looking like he's going to be the best realistic target for a lot of teams. if he stays healthy the rest of the way, it'll be hard to pass on him. guys worse than him are going to get bigger deals than what his extension is worth.

the longer we wait, the less inclined ROSE will be to agree to the extension. not saying the knicks need to offer it. saying it's a tough call in either direction and time/health favor rose. we're probably not discussing it in part because rose is in no rush to either. dude has bet on himself time and time again.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

[misterfrazier10]

I dunno. Between his injury history and his bottom of the barrel defense I can't see how Jackson justifies re-signing him. You can't expect him to get any better defensively and you can't put that burden on the other players and expect to win a title.The frontline is always gonna be threatened too much if Jennings and Rose can't keep track of their assignments better in transition and halfcourt. Right now the Knicks are above .500 but are 5-9 on the road and ranked 25th in the league defensively. Not putting all of that on Rose and Jennings but they are a weak spot and we need guards who are in the top 10 defensively not in the bottom 5.

[NYKMentality85]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

O.k but Kt1214... in today's NBA who doesn't want a piece of the pie? For crying out loud Mozgov landed just about 16 million per year. Even Jrue Holiday will demand more than his current 11.2 million here in 2016 come the offseason. And what type of father wouldn't care about his son's future?

At the end of the day Rose has shown more heart, fight, mental focus & determination to return to the game in which he's loved dating back to his childhood days than 99.9% of these current players within todays NBA.

[ChilledAlex]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

Idk Rose doesn't strike me as a dude who will stop giving effort when getting paid.. but who knows. I like Rose, I fully support him after his tough career battling several serious injuries, being kicked out of home town where he went from hero to zero in no time and getting false rape accusations by gold digging hoe. I actually feel sorry for him and if he is playing the way he is now I really don't mind if Knicks resign him for a reasonable price.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Rose absolutely is about the money. He has to "look out for his son's future" - he said that last year. Do not want him. DowNY is absolutely right. Does every post need (multiple paragraphs and give the feeling people are about to go to war) to protect this guy's image and put him on a pedestal? No. No need to play white knight every time this team (or this player) does something good. Let posters believe what they will.

O.k but Kt1214... in today's NBA who doesn't want a piece of the pie? For crying out loud Mozgov landed just about 16 million per year. Even Jrue Holiday will demand more than his current 11.2 million here in 2016 come the offseason. And what type of father wouldn't care about his son's future?

At the end of the day Rose has shown more heart, fight, mental focus & determination to return to the game in which he's loved dating back to his childhood days than 99.9% of these current players within todays NBA.

He asked asked a question about moving on past the sexual assault case in Los Angeles and he said this - ""I've been moved on ... this whole summer I had tunnel vision,'' Rose said, expanding on his first public comments since the suit was filed last month. "My mindset was I was working out every day and spending as much time as possible with my son, making sure my family is financially stable. As far as you see all the money they're passing out in this league — just telling the truth — and knowing my day will be coming up soon. It's not for me. It's for (son) P.J. and his future. So that's what I'm thinking about right now." Him bringing up free agency when the question had absolutely nothing to do with it shows how he's focused on his money. At this point in his career, he's made ~200 million (?) from his NBA deal AND another ridiculous amount from his sneaker deal. I get looking out for his son and that's commendable, but the comment was not necessary at all given a) the question posed to him b) how much he's made so far in his career and c) his inability to stay healthy. He said nothing about team success - it was about Rose getting what Rose wants.

Mozgov's deal is irrelevant because bigs always get paid more than guards. As for Jrue, yeah, he's going to get paid as well. He's never been a single minded/selfish player, though.

You also can't make a blanket statement like this at all. There are players who only care about the money and the lifestyle, but saying that he has shown "more heart, fight, mental focus and determination" is not only conjecture, but one that cannot be supported given his statements (and his past actions - like sitting out the full season when he could have returned and play the last ~1/5 of the season a few years ago). Sounds like a player who has heart and a determination to play, eh? Cal saying Rose doesn't have a "high threshold" sounds like someone who is "determined" to play, eh? Not really. Kurt Thomas played on a **** broken toe - HE is someone who is determined to play. Kobe playing through every injury shows a determination to play. AI playing through injuries shows a determination to play. Rose, not so much.