The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[MaseInYourFace]

i gotta be honest, y'all are gonna push me to hate frank with all this. it's getting crazy. lol

Seriously. People really trying to die on a sword.

[MaseInYourFace]

So france seems to think Frank is the future of there team but the worst team in basketball last year has no use for him?

Hmmmmm

Nba and international ball are very different.

[HerSports85]

I just want to see a DSJR and Frank backcourt for a few games. Have frank guard the PG position while DSJR run the offense.

In my head it works perfectly as long as frank is hitting his shots.

[G_K_F]

Aggression and efficiency need to improve big time for him to be a rotation player.

I was and still am a Frank guy but he needs to show signs of something this year or else he'll be back in France soon enough.

[Deeeez Knicks]

A lot of the positive talk is because Frank was pretty mucgh getting trashed. He is now playing well in some meangingful games and showing signs of progress so its fair that people are discussing it and liking what they see. Maybe it means he is getting better, or maybe not. Nothing really to get upset about though just cause there is some positive talk about Frank....especially when perimeter defense is such a huge need for us

[HarthorneWingo]

A lot of the positive talk is because Frank was pretty mucgh getting trashed. He is now playing well in some meangingful games and showing signs of progress so its fair that people are discussing it and liking what they see. Maybe it means he is getting better, or maybe not. Nothing really to get upset about though just cause there is some positive talk about Frank....especially when perimeter defense is such a huge need for us

[j4remi]

that's when he got starter minutes, but he played all year.

Here's the thing, Mitch got starter minutes earl on. The team played better by most measures. He still went back to the bench because Enes Kanter was pouting too hard. Fizdale never did a damned thing that made me think defense was even in the equation for why players got minutes. This ain't even a defense of Frank, Fizdale promised us defense and didn't hold anyone accountable at all on that end.

[K_ick_God]

that's when he got starter minutes, but he played all year.

Here's the thing, Mitch got starter minutes earl on. The team played better by most measures. He still went back to the bench because Enes Kanter was pouting too hard. Fizdale never did a damned thing that made me think defense was even in the equation for why players got minutes. This ain't even a defense of Frank, Fizdale promised us defense and didn't hold anyone accountable at all on that end.

Yeah he's all talk on D. No follow-through. So far.

[stuporman]

p.s if frank was actually as consistently good on defense as everyone claims he is, he would have found the minutes he needed. mitch doesn't need to score to get minutes. because mitch never disappoints on that end.

i told you, you're gonna make me turn on this kid lol

If you get all caught up in your feelings over other people's opinions, it's not the opinions that are the issue.... jussayin.

[god shammgod]

p.s if frank was actually as consistently good on defense as everyone claims he is, he would have found the minutes he needed. mitch doesn't need to score to get minutes. because mitch never disappoints on that end.

i told you, you're gonna make me turn on this kid lol

If you get all caught up in your feelings over other people's opinions, it's not the opinions that are the issue.... jussayin.

it's the people, you're correct

[Knicksfan1992]

I just want to see a DSJR and Frank backcourt for a few games. Have frank guard the PG position while DSJR run the offense.

In my head it works perfectly as long as frank is hitting his shots.

Add RJ and you have a good backcourt. One of them has to shoot well from 3 though and well we'll see if that happens... Not expecting much from RJ in that department his rookie year so the onus is on Frank or DSJ to become competent from 3s. Even if they can both be like 33-36% from 3 this year that would be massive for our spacing and offense as a whole.

[CharlesOakley]

Remember the Marbury, Crawford, Curry and Lee team from 2006? Some of y'all are longing for an all-offense / no-defense team. We've been there before.

The '99 team with Ewing, LJ, Spree, and Houston were 21 out of 29 offensively but went to the finals playing defense (ranked 6th). I'd rather watch a team struggle offensively but create a defensive identity. The list of great offensive teams that couldn't get it done when it mattered is long.

Frank and Mitch give us the pieces but Fizdale is no JVG. I'm not even sure he is good enough to be a bad coach.

[iLLmatic860]

I been kinda harsh on Frank this past week. I came around. I def want to keep Frank long term as long as he can consistently knock down that three the way he has been in fiba. I can see him being a key piece come playoff time Especially with the way this league is going. He can guard atleast 3 positions. That def sounds like a keeper to me.

[NoLayupRule]

I just want to see a DSJR and Frank backcourt for a few games. Have frank guard the PG position while DSJR run the offense.

In my head it works perfectly as long as frank is hitting his shots.

Ive always felt that Frank was only suited for a guard role with a dominant ball handler / play maker next to him

that doesn't have to be another guard as we saw with Kobe and MJ in the triangle or LBJ in whatever he tells his coaches to call his offense

Frank would do great in Houston

obviously he needs to hit shots though no matter where that happens


but if DSJ and RJ are taking the ball down the defenses throats then Frank can play D and spot up, as he better be ready to do this year

[DaGawd]

DSJR
RJ
Frank
Knox
Mitch

Our ideal lineup for the future if all went right

[K_ick_God]

Besides needing the perimeter D, which is 90% of why Frank gets nice treatment in this thread, there's also:

- He seems like a good kid who'd be happy to play a role in a winning system. ~5%. He's not looking for "Top scorer or bust!" A sad but true rarity today.

- His long ball release is straight and fine. He also doesn't seem to go into the lane recklessly or trying to do more than he can do. Granted, he's got to get those skills down -- there's not much he can do at present -- but I already see a few green shoots of some footwork, obviously he's long, has a little floater. Sometimes it's way off. Another ~5%. He will eventually play within himself if he has enough skill to finish and be a threat from deep or off the dribble. Almost definitely not going to be any kind of standout as a scorer but the bar he needs to hit is low.

[br7knicks]

He’s twenty-one and doesn’t need to be a good scorer to be helpful. That’s why he’s coddled.

Maybe we are sick of watching guys chuck and the team suck from bad D.

To this day, it boggles me how much some people here haven't learned from this.

This behavior produces NO chance of winning; we've learned that the last 10 years.

Time to try defense and smart basketball, like the other successful teams

True. All the good teams defend. Much of our success from the 90's was from defense. We have been one of the worst defensive teams in the league the last few years.

If we want to get the most out of this roster it has to start on defense and Frank would need to be a part of that. There are def some rotations we can run out there that should be able to defend avg to good.

It just never seems like me make it a huge priority though.

unfortunately, defense and winning hasn't been much of a priority. not too many of the previous NBA champs were awful at defense.

it helps to have generational talent, but if you don't get one of them (some here still think all 13 guys need to be HOF players in their prime ), you build a culture of defense so a perennial all-star can be inserted. it's much tougher, as us knicks fans have learned, to have an all-star player and try to build around them.


but still...some people here refuse to learn from past mistakes, apparently...


i'm not saying you have to like frank. hell, i'm not really a fan. but i have basic basketball knowledge. enough to know you need guys like him to be successful

[br7knicks]

To this day, it boggles me how much some people here haven't learned from this.

This behavior produces NO chance of winning; we've learned that the last 10 years.

Time to try defense and smart basketball, like the other successful teams

True. All the good teams defend. Much of our success from the 90's was from defense. We have been one of the worst defensive teams in the league the last few years.

If we want to get the most out of this roster it has to start on defense and Frank would need to be a part of that. There are def some rotations we can run out there that should be able to defend avg to good.

It just never seems like me make it a huge priority though.

Frank guarding the 1 and Mitch at the 5 = top 10 defense.

it's silly how people don't see this potential.


again, it's much easier to insert that great player, when you have guys like mitch and frank around, than compared to when you have a plethora of chuckers with lowIQ and no defense.

[iLLmatic860]

I broke up but fell right back in love with Frank

Dsj frank rj knox randle iggy mitch the foundation. The rest are just journey men

Ill keep morris and bp if its on a nice contract if they fit in with what we doing

[K_ick_God]

I broke up but fell right back in love with Frank

Dsj frank rj knox randle iggy mitch the foundation. The rest are just journey men

Ill keep morris and bp if its on a nice contract if they fit in with what we doing

That’s like 6 or 7 core guys if we got lucky with a few. That’s a lot compared to most teams.