2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[jvsimonetti0514]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Cole Anthony Comps to Jason Terry

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This is tougher to do due to the tape. Cole played PG at UNC and think that it was a mistake that hurt both them and him. He should have been SG and told to score and get his. He really only looks elite when you see him with the ball and then score on his defender in a variety of ways. Cole can pass the ball, but doesn't have the vision to see the plays for others. However, I do think he is an instant scorer in the NBA.

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Cole will be a legit NBA scorer, he has both a good overall shot, he's not scared of contact when driving, he's not slow. He can score off the dribble, score in transition, he can catch and shoot, and I am pretty sure he'll be able to stop in transition and shoot over defenders. The only real knock to his game is his height. SG's tend to be taller and PG's shorter. If Cole was 6'5 he and had a 6'8 wingspan he would be the 1st pick in this draft. Shorter SG's come with some inherent issues, he also doesn't have elite wingspan for his size like CJ McCollum (6'6). Cole, defense is underrated. If defending PG's he'll do alright.

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I see the appeal and the reasoning to comparing him to Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz has paired Donovan with PG's (and point forward Joe Ingles) and allowed him to focus on scoring. The rumors seem to indicate that the Knicks would be prepared to find a PG too. I mean you can see the reasoning that had them thinking CP3 could be traded for to come in and be Cole's backcourt partner. The issue is Cole isn't Donovan Mitchell. I just don't think Cole has Donovan's elite handle. or his elite athleticism. Its those two factors combined that allow Donovan to function at a high level when he's driving into traffic. That's why I have Cole pegged as Jason Terry. Who was actually an elite player in relation to his shooting and a Championship SG. I don't think Cole will be able to play through contact the way Donovan did early in his career and go to the bucket. He's going to be focused on shooting. I actually think it would be wise for him to try and get to his shooting spots faster and also try to outrun defenders on his way to the basket instead.

Also, the knicks would once again not have a PG, and need to find a stopgap or a permanent one later. Cole could maybe eventually play PG, but its a waste of his potential to ask him to focus on avg say 5 assists a game when he is built to be a scorer.

I really like the Terry comp for Cole. I also think Lou Williams and Jamal Murray fit well too. I think he has microwave scorer/ 6 man written all over him as a floor. His catch and shoot numbers are pretty good so I don’t think you have to force the ball in his hands. If he can improve his playmaking it will definitely raise his ceiling. I’ve read that he was a better playmaker in high school when surrounded by better talent than he had at UNC. We just saw how bad roster construction can hold players back so I’m sure a lot of talent evaluators are hoping that’s the case with him too.

[mpharris36]

I don't get why a guy like Hayes is given room and time to improve and is worth the gamble but Haliburton is treated as a finished product. The vibe I get from Haliburton is that he's a gym rat and really it's hard to even put a ceiling on him years down the road. His potential is actually higher than Hayes since he's coming into the league with more polished skills and the age difference is just over 1 year. The only reason you say Haliburton is a safe pick is because you feel confident in his ability to step on the NBA court and provide some impact from day 1 but at the end of the day he's still going to be a young rookie with a bunch of improving left.

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

Haliburton should def be in play if we are picking 6-8. I agree. And to that point its why its making this draft so difficult but like I said I think for the most part you can nearly make a case for any of these guys over another one in the top part of the lottery. There isn't much separation in clear talent.

I think you are in the same boat outside of maybe not liking Deni and Okongwu (haven't heard you speak highly on either), I think you are pretty positive on the rest of the guy mocked near the top 10, right?

[Deeeez Knicks]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

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Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

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Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

I don't think Lowry is a good comparison in terms of style/game and body type...especially if we are looking at young Lowry. Lowry is more of a bulldozer/wrecking ball with toughness/grit, where Hayes plays with more finese. Young Lowry was fearless and a great finisher, where Hayes is no where near the finisher Lowry was, but is more advanced as a shooter/passer then young Lowry.

I do like Hayes though.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't get why a guy like Hayes is given room and time to improve and is worth the gamble but Haliburton is treated as a finished product. The vibe I get from Haliburton is that he's a gym rat and really it's hard to even put a ceiling on him years down the road. His potential is actually higher than Hayes since he's coming into the league with more polished skills and the age difference is just over 1 year. The only reason you say Haliburton is a safe pick is because you feel confident in his ability to step on the NBA court and provide some impact from day 1 but at the end of the day he's still going to be a young rookie with a bunch of improving left.

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

I always thought SGA had nice upside. He would have been my swing for the fence pick over Knox. Donovan Mitchell is another player that alot of people thought was more safe/low upside but ended up panning out.

But yea, I think players can be safe and have a lot of upside. I agree Haliburton has some sneaky upside.

[mpharris36]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Killian Hayes Comps to 6'5 Kyle Lowry

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Here's a pretty good Hayes video where he doesn't look slow. He's also not fast in these but you can see he isn't too slow to be a PG. I'll keep saying he looks like he can be a Kyle Lowry type of PG. Not fast but physically strong enough that if he drives opponents will look to avoid the contact. He looks strong and has all the needed skills you want from your PG.

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Ironically enough his height might work against him because Lowry usually attacks bigger players hips/midsection and tries to go under their arms to get to the hoop or knock them off balance. Killian would have to have an RJ mindset and be strong enough that defenders "bounce" off of him once he begins to go downhill towards the basket.

Basically getting Killian would line the knicks up to have a Derozan/Lowry Raptors type of backcourt going forward.

I don't think Lowry is a good comparison in terms of style/game and body type...especially if we are looking at young Lowry. Lowry is more of a bulldozer/wrecking ball with toughness/grit, where Hayes plays with more finese. Young Lowry was fearless and a great finisher, where Hayes is no where near the finisher Lowry was, but is more advanced as a shooter/passer then young Lowry.

I do like Hayes though.

I think Hayes play style is very much like D’Angelo Russell. Kinda kills them with a slower more composed game. Utilizes finesse and a step back. I do think Hayes is more of a true playmaker for others than Russel. But he doesn't have Russell offensive fire power.

[robillionaire]

OK so I kind of want to do these video comparison threads.

Cole Anthony Comps to Jason Terry

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This is tougher to do due to the tape. Cole played PG at UNC and think that it was a mistake that hurt both them and him. He should have been SG and told to score and get his. He really only looks elite when you see him with the ball and then score on his defender in a variety of ways. Cole can pass the ball, but doesn't have the vision to see the plays for others. However, I do think he is an instant scorer in the NBA.

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Cole will be a legit NBA scorer, he has both a good overall shot, he's not scared of contact when driving, he's not slow. He can score off the dribble, score in transition, he can catch and shoot, and I am pretty sure he'll be able to stop in transition and shoot over defenders. The only real knock to his game is his height. SG's tend to be taller and PG's shorter. If Cole was 6'5 he and had a 6'8 wingspan he would be the 1st pick in this draft. Shorter SG's come with some inherent issues, he also doesn't have elite wingspan for his size like CJ McCollum (6'6). Cole, defense is underrated. If defending PG's he'll do alright.

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I see the appeal and the reasoning to comparing him to Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz has paired Donovan with PG's (and point forward Joe Ingles) and allowed him to focus on scoring. The rumors seem to indicate that the Knicks would be prepared to find a PG too. I mean you can see the reasoning that had them thinking CP3 could be traded for to come in and be Cole's backcourt partner. The issue is Cole isn't Donovan Mitchell. I just don't think Cole has Donovan's elite handle. or his elite athleticism. Its those two factors combined that allow Donovan to function at a high level when he's driving into traffic. That's why I have Cole pegged as Jason Terry. Who was actually an elite player in relation to his shooting and a Championship SG. I don't think Cole will be able to play through contact the way Donovan did early in his career and go to the bucket. He's going to be focused on shooting. I actually think it would be wise for him to try and get to his shooting spots faster and also try to outrun defenders on his way to the basket instead.

Also, the knicks would once again not have a PG, and need to find a stopgap or a permanent one later. Cole could maybe eventually play PG, but its a waste of his potential to ask him to focus on avg say 5 assists a game when he is built to be a scorer.

I really like the Terry comp for Cole. I also think Lou Williams and Jamal Murray fit well too. I think he has microwave scorer/ 6 man written all over him as a floor. His catch and shoot numbers are pretty good so I don’t think you have to force the ball in his hands. If he can improve his playmaking it will definitely raise his ceiling. I’ve read that he was a better playmaker in high school when surrounded by better talent than he had at UNC. We just saw how bad roster construction can hold players back so I’m sure a lot of talent evaluators are hoping that’s the case with him too.

I don't know if his shooting is on the level of Terry though. Terry is 7th all time in made 3s, he was 3rd all time for a while behind ray allen and reggie miller before recently getting passed up by steph, harden, korver, and vince carter. in other words he's one of the best shooters the game has seen, cole seems like he will be a decent shooter 34.8 wasn't too bad especially with his shot selection and degree of difficulty on some of the attempts at UNC. but I don't see him as an elite shooting talent like terry. terry was also garbage on defense and I think cole may have a bit better athleticism

anyway, if this is the kind of player he is, a SG and 6th man, we're once again still scrambling for a PG. I'm still expecting 2016 derrick rose.

[3toheadmelo]

You are pointing out a fact people sometimes ignore or downplay. Other than 1 or 2 guys a draft, most of these guys are so young it's going to take a few years anyway. 90% of them are "projects" to some degree or another.

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

Haliburton should def be in play if we are picking 6-8. I agree. And to that point its why its making this draft so difficult but like I said I think for the most part you can nearly make a case for any of these guys over another one in the top part of the lottery. There isn't much separation in clear talent.

I think you are in the same boat outside of maybe not liking Deni and Okongwu (haven't heard you speak highly on either), I think you are pretty positive on the rest of the guy mocked near the top 10, right?

I like Deni and Okongwu as well

[mpharris36]

Sometimes the “safe” player ends up being the one with the most upside. A lot of people compared Tatum to Tobias Harris/Hayward and said he would be a 3rd option at best.

SGA is another guy that wasn’t believed to have a lot of upside as well.

So with that being said, I wouldn’t limit Haliburton to just a “safe” role player. Ironically, he is compared to SGA quite often.

Haliburton should def be in play if we are picking 6-8. I agree. And to that point its why its making this draft so difficult but like I said I think for the most part you can nearly make a case for any of these guys over another one in the top part of the lottery. There isn't much separation in clear talent.

I think you are in the same boat outside of maybe not liking Deni and Okongwu (haven't heard you speak highly on either), I think you are pretty positive on the rest of the guy mocked near the top 10, right?

I like Deni and Okongwu as well

I thought you said you like precious achiuwa more than Okongwu?

So you think the entire top 10 there will be no misses?

[3toheadmelo]

Coleslaw will prob be a decent 6th man but should we really use the 6th pick on a microwave scorer off the bench. I would take him later in the lottery

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[robillionaire]

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[3toheadmelo]

Haliburton should def be in play if we are picking 6-8. I agree. And to that point its why its making this draft so difficult but like I said I think for the most part you can nearly make a case for any of these guys over another one in the top part of the lottery. There isn't much separation in clear talent.

I think you are in the same boat outside of maybe not liking Deni and Okongwu (haven't heard you speak highly on either), I think you are pretty positive on the rest of the guy mocked near the top 10, right?

I like Deni and Okongwu as well

I thought you said you like precious achiuwa more than Okongwu?

So you think the entire top 10 there will be no misses?

Yes I like Precious more but Okongwu is intriguing. There will be misses in the top 10 like every draft but this draft is trickier than others so I can’t really say who I think will truly bust.

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this is the best footage we can find of the kid or what

Go back a page and watch 17 minutes of beautiful basketball.

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this is the best footage we can find of the kid or what

Yeah this is why he is gonna be “slept” on

[newyorker4ever]

Not missing that Lonzo has proven it in today's game. Their skillset is very different.

Very different? Don't think it's very different and think both of their best skillset coming into the NBA was their passing.

They play the game completely differently. LaMelo is more aggressive, a PnR maestro, with a smooth handle and matador defense. Lonzo is a transition player that can play off-ball in the half-court and stout defender.

Not saying and never said they're carbon copies of each other just think they do have some similarities in their games and that the best thing that both did coming into the NBA was their great vision and passing skills. Neither were good shooters coming into the NBA either. Lonzo has gotten better so hopefully the same can happen for Melo if we draft him as well as his defense which if he can get anything close to Zo's then i'd be happy with that, again that's only if we draft him but if we don't then i hope he's a bust.

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Yeah this is why he is gonna be “slept” on

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[3toheadmelo]

this is the best footage we can find of the kid or what

Yeah this is why he is gonna be “slept” on

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Just messing with you

Haven’t watched the whole vid but off rip he looks pretty impressive. Where is he projected to be picked

[mpharris36]

I like Deni and Okongwu as well

I thought you said you like precious achiuwa more than Okongwu?

So you think the entire top 10 there will be no misses?

Yes I like Precious more but Okongwu is intriguing. There will be misses in the top 10 like every draft but this draft is trickier than others so I can’t really say who I think will truly bust.

that is for many reasons.

1. Lack of a clear tier 1
2. The talent gap between prospects is very small this year (each has noticeable flaws each has there positives)
3. There is less information on these guys because of the COVID-19 dynamic

[mpharris36]

Yeah this is why he is gonna be “slept” on

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Just messing with you

Haven’t watched the whole vid but off rip he looks pretty impressive. Where is he projected to be picked

late 1st/early 2nd.

He's trae young without the advanced handle or vision. So he will be a instant offense scorer off the bench with a lot of range. But he is a defensive liability and really not a true "pg" and he is 6'1. So he is really limited defensively on who he can guard.

So maybe he can project to be a smaller lou williams?

[knickstape21]

Yeah this is why he is gonna be “slept” on

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Haven’t watched the whole vid but off rip he looks pretty impressive. Where is he projected to be picked

Projected all over the place at the moment, but in between 8 and 25.