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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#861 » by 8516knicks » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:35 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:We're not going to be making a blockbuster trade at or before the deadline. Maybe at the draft. The most I can see us doing is picking up some bench help.


Stop it. We can't handle the truth.

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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#862 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:56 am

8516knicks wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:We're not going to be making a blockbuster trade at or before the deadline. Maybe at the draft. The most I can see us doing is picking up some bench help.


Stop it. We can't handle the truth.

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I'm not down on Randle and Brunson as a dynamic duo per se. I think we need to get Grimes and Mitch more involved on offense. As for lack of defense, the Bucks were just unconscious from 3. Maybe we didn't close out as we should have but they're a really really good offense. Top 3 in the league I believe.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#863 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 1:06 am

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DaGawd wrote:kftv mentioned lamelo as a possible target. i wouldn’t be mad at it


If LaMelo is a target, so is my left nut.

i could see it honestly.. the hornets are a constant mess. but his overall larger point was there will probably be a name out of left field that we aren’t talking about


He plays the same position as Brunson aka our best player and guy the team is slowly becoming built around.
He isn't a consistent + defender.
Hornets are building around him.
Other teams would offer more in a trade for him.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#864 » by rajajackal » Thu Dec 7, 2023 1:23 am

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8516knicks wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:We're not going to be making a blockbuster trade at or before the deadline. Maybe at the draft. The most I can see us doing is picking up some bench help.


Stop it. We can't handle the truth.

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I'm not down on Randle and Brunson as a dynamic duo per se. I think we need to get Grimes and Mitch more involved on offense. As for lack of defense, the Bucks were just unconscious from 3. Maybe we didn't close out as we should have but they're a really really good offense. Top 3 in the league I believe.

you're not saying anything unreasonable, but it's crazy to think how lucky we were we got the heat last year. i think we're a good defensive team but the bucks specifically make it feel impossible for our personnel
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#865 » by RHODEY » Thu Dec 7, 2023 1:40 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:We're not going to be making a blockbuster trade at or before the deadline. Maybe at the draft. The most I can see us doing is picking up some bench help.


I agree, likely because there's nothing "blockbuster" out there that makes sense. But like I've said before a small move for this team might be kinda "big" ...because we lack balance.
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Post#866 » by F N 11 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 1:45 am

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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#867 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 7, 2023 5:13 am

rajajackal wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Stop it. We can't handle the truth.

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I'm not down on Randle and Brunson as a dynamic duo per se. I think we need to get Grimes and Mitch more involved on offense. As for lack of defense, the Bucks were just unconscious from 3. Maybe we didn't close out as we should have but they're a really really good offense. Top 3 in the league I believe.

you're not saying anything unreasonable, but it's crazy to think how lucky we were we got the heat last year. i think we're a good defensive team but the bucks specifically make it feel impossible for our personnel


If the Buck shoot the 3 for the rest of the season like they did against us last night, it's gonna be a problem for everybody.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#868 » by Dude-niagara » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:44 pm

End of the day the Knicks should fire Rose if he is not going to make a trade for a wing. You need more thence wing player to win and Rose is just sitting on draft capital while they waste Brunson's prime years doing nothing
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#869 » by rajajackal » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:50 pm

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rajajackal wrote:
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I'm not down on Randle and Brunson as a dynamic duo per se. I think we need to get Grimes and Mitch more involved on offense. As for lack of defense, the Bucks were just unconscious from 3. Maybe we didn't close out as we should have but they're a really really good offense. Top 3 in the league I believe.

you're not saying anything unreasonable, but it's crazy to think how lucky we were we got the heat last year. i think we're a good defensive team but the bucks specifically make it feel impossible for our personnel


If the Buck shoot the 3 for the rest of the season like they did against us last night, it's gonna be a problem for everybody.

those guys had great looks because of giannis's gravity inside. by getting dame, they have that thread off the dribble from the point of attack too. it's a pretty ideal offensive makeup. our drop coverage didn't make it any harder for them. what we need to figure out is how to add them to the list of teams we out-rebound. that is how we win games
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Post#870 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:03 pm

I mean, it's for the clicks, but
https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-watch-deandre-hunter-role-player-pushes-forward
Hunter, the fourth overall pick of the 2019 draft (one pick after current Knick RJ Barrett), is currently working through the first year of a four-season contract extension worth a guaranteed $90 million. Jake Fischer of Yahoo! previously reported that the Hawks shopped him to teams like Detroit and Indiana over the offseason. Atlanta (9-10) currently holds the fourth and final spot on the Eastern Conference Play-In bracket but if they opt to tear things down, the Knicks would be wise to keep an eye on Hunter's status.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#871 » by Juco24 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:16 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:I mean, it's for the clicks, but
https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-watch-deandre-hunter-role-player-pushes-forward
Hunter, the fourth overall pick of the 2019 draft (one pick after current Knick RJ Barrett), is currently working through the first year of a four-season contract extension worth a guaranteed $90 million. Jake Fischer of Yahoo! previously reported that the Hawks shopped him to teams like Detroit and Indiana over the offseason. Atlanta (9-10) currently holds the fourth and final spot on the Eastern Conference Play-In bracket but if they opt to tear things down, the Knicks would be wise to keep an eye on Hunter's status.


A very good defender who's also not afraid of the big moment. Can play multiple positions... his problem is 1. Can't stay healthy 2. Does many things well, but nothing great 3. Will want too much on the market
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Post#872 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:20 pm

Juco24 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:I mean, it's for the clicks, but
https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-watch-deandre-hunter-role-player-pushes-forward
Hunter, the fourth overall pick of the 2019 draft (one pick after current Knick RJ Barrett), is currently working through the first year of a four-season contract extension worth a guaranteed $90 million. Jake Fischer of Yahoo! previously reported that the Hawks shopped him to teams like Detroit and Indiana over the offseason. Atlanta (9-10) currently holds the fourth and final spot on the Eastern Conference Play-In bracket but if they opt to tear things down, the Knicks would be wise to keep an eye on Hunter's status.


A very good defender who's also not afraid of the big moment. Can play multiple positions... his problem is 1. Can't stay healthy 2. Does many things well, but nothing great 3. Will want too much on the market


Will want to much on the market? He's in the first year of a 4 year deal. Do you mean the team will want to much on the trade market?
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#873 » by G_K_F » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:04 pm

Bob Myers is out there waiting in the wings to be hired as our next President.

Leon Rose has done next to nothing here other than forging a bond from childhood with Jalen Brunson.

We need a guy who will come here and make necessary moves to take steps forward. We just wasted 2 years of a beautiful Brunson contract on mid teams. We don’t have much leeway. He’s going to want and get the max in 2 years and we’ll have way less wiggle room in our cap to make additional moves.
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Post#874 » by iLLmatic860 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:13 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Bob Myers is out there waiting in the wings to be hired as our next President.

Leon Rose has done next to nothing here other than forging a bond from childhood with Jalen Brunson.

We need a guy who will come here and make necessary moves to take steps forward. We just wasted 2 years of a beautiful Brunson contract on mid teams. We don’t have much leeway. He’s going to want and get the max in 2 years and we’ll have way less wiggle room in our cap to make additional moves.

What moves would Myers have realistically been able to move? There just hasn't been that much talent available the last two years.

But I def would not be opposed to making Myers our president.

Lets not act like Myers is this perfect gm. He drafted one of the biggest busts of the last decade. Imagine if Warriors drafted Lamelo or Halli instead. Moody is kinda mid to
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#875 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:21 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
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If LaMelo is a target, so is my left nut.

i could see it honestly.. the hornets are a constant mess. but his overall larger point was there will probably be a name out of left field that we aren’t talking about


He plays the same position as Brunson aka our best player and guy the team is slowly becoming built around.
He isn't a consistent + defender.
Hornets are building around him.
Other teams would offer more in a trade for him.
We don't need any Ball's in NY


Ball and Brunson are a pretty seamless fit offensively. Both can shoot off the dribble or off the catch. Ball is a tremendous passer and is a natural pace pusher which our offense could really use.

The question is defensively as you mentioned. However, as opposed to other 2 offense first guard alignments that are thrown around here often, Ball actually has the natural size to guard wings. At 6'6" he's not a natural target for offenses to exploit with a bigger player like say a Donovan Mitchell would be. He's bigger than Grimes is, for instance, and our defense has been fine with him next to Brunson. It's more of a matter of will he put the effort in/can he clean up his fundamentals on defense.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#876 » by Synciere » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:44 pm

Juco24 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:I mean, it's for the clicks, but
https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/trade-rumors/new-york-knicks-trade-watch-deandre-hunter-role-player-pushes-forward
Hunter, the fourth overall pick of the 2019 draft (one pick after current Knick RJ Barrett), is currently working through the first year of a four-season contract extension worth a guaranteed $90 million. Jake Fischer of Yahoo! previously reported that the Hawks shopped him to teams like Detroit and Indiana over the offseason. Atlanta (9-10) currently holds the fourth and final spot on the Eastern Conference Play-In bracket but if they opt to tear things down, the Knicks would be wise to keep an eye on Hunter's status.


A very good defender who's also not afraid of the big moment. Can play multiple positions... his problem is 1. Can't stay healthy 2. Does many things well, but nothing great 3. Will want too much on the market


I really like Hunter for this team, but I think he wants to be higher on the totem pole. In Atlanta he's behind Trae and Dejonte, and here he'd be behind Randle and Brunson. He'd be a better third option than RJ though, simply because he's more efficient.
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Post#877 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:07 pm

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A very good defender who's also not afraid of the big moment. Can play multiple positions... his problem is 1. Can't stay healthy 2. Does many things well, but nothing great 3. Will want too much on the market


I really like Hunter for this team, but I think he wants to be higher on the totem pole. In Atlanta he's behind Trae and Dejonte, and here he'd be behind Randle and Brunson. He'd be a better third option than RJ though, simply because he's more efficient.


We have a team full of guys who want the ball and want to be a higher usage. Hart was a squeaky wheel, so his shots upticked, Grimes is complaining so maybe sees an uptick, IQ needs his shots to justify his 6 man of the year race.

As we look to consolidate and bring in guys who are willing to play a smaller role, who are not out there trying to prove they are a future all-star. The Villanovians, I think, will be fine. Brunson has his role, Hart is going to get playmaking opportunities, Dante seems to shoot with a green light, but will pass if he doesn't have a clean shot.

McBride is someone who could have a role in the future, we have a top point guard in Europe who needs to come over or be dealt as an asset. There are teams that could use IQ, possibly even including the Hawks (though that would be hard to watch).

Grimes, IQ, Fournier + knicks '23, and one from the stash (not DAL), for Hunter and Bey. They could easily siphon off grimes and spin some of the other parts to get a bigger fit. Toronto won't deal with us, but I could see them sending Siakam to ATL should they be able to obtain the assets.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#878 » by RHODEY » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:19 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
If LaMelo is a target, so is my left nut.

i could see it honestly.. the hornets are a constant mess. but his overall larger point was there will probably be a name out of left field that we aren’t talking about


He plays the same position as Brunson aka our best player and guy the team is slowly becoming built around.
He isn't a consistent + defender.
Hornets are building around him.
Other teams would offer more in a trade for him.
We don't need any Ball's in NY


While Lamello isn't perfect, he's pretty great at what he does well, score and assist. I think he's a taller Haliburton once you put him on a good team. And yes other teams would offer a lot , but I'd much prefer him over Donovan Mitchell.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#879 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:29 pm

RHODEY wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:i could see it honestly.. the hornets are a constant mess. but his overall larger point was there will probably be a name out of left field that we aren’t talking about


He plays the same position as Brunson aka our best player and guy the team is slowly becoming built around.
He isn't a consistent + defender.
Hornets are building around him.
Other teams would offer more in a trade for him.
We don't need any Ball's in NY


While Lamello isn't perfect, he's pretty great at what he does well, score and assist. I think he's a taller Haliburton once you put him on a good team. And yes other teams would offer a lot , but I'd much prefer him over Donovan Mitchell.


He may be very good, but we should not have both he and Brunson.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#880 » by Synciere » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:29 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
Synciere wrote:
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A very good defender who's also not afraid of the big moment. Can play multiple positions... his problem is 1. Can't stay healthy 2. Does many things well, but nothing great 3. Will want too much on the market


I really like Hunter for this team, but I think he wants to be higher on the totem pole. In Atlanta he's behind Trae and Dejonte, and here he'd be behind Randle and Brunson. He'd be a better third option than RJ though, simply because he's more efficient.


We have a team full of guys who want the ball and want to be a higher usage. Hart was a squeaky wheel, so his shots upticked, Grimes is complaining so maybe sees an uptick, IQ needs his shots to justify his 6 man of the year race.

As we look to consolidate and bring in guys who are willing to play a smaller role, who are not out there trying to prove they are a future all-star. The Villanovians, I think, will be fine. Brunson has his role, Hart is going to get playmaking opportunities, Dante seems to shoot with a green light, but will pass if he doesn't have a clean shot.

McBride is someone who could have a role in the future, we have a top point guard in Europe who needs to come over or be dealt as an asset. There are teams that could use IQ, possibly even including the Hawks (though that would be hard to watch).

Grimes, IQ, Fournier + knicks '23, and one from the stash (not DAL), for Hunter and Bey. They could easily siphon off grimes and spin some of the other parts to get a bigger fit. Toronto won't deal with us, but I could see them sending Siakam to ATL should they be able to obtain the assets.


I think your deal probably works because it seems Atlanta wants to get rid of his salary. That said, I'd rather keep IQ and move RJ. Not that they'd want RJ. And also, Hunter is a nice piece, but we have to stop assuming every deal requires us giving up two first round picks. They're basically dumping him; we don't have to give up firsts for him, especially if they're getting cheap, young players in IQ and Grimes.

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