Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[iLLmatic860]

after what we gave up for Bridges. Of course Ainge picked up phone for Knicks lol

[KnixinSix]

At full strength, the gimmick for us will be a team that can stay big or small and still be physical, there should be no rebounding drop off in theory if we go small. As in a team like the Pacers we should absolutely match down against and punish them, but it remains to be seen if the coach would do that.

Losing Ihart sux cause he has some sort of a threat offensively. Rest of our options are rim runners like Kessler

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want.

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

[mpharris36]

How is Kessler’s perimeter defense and pick and roll defense?

Think Brook Lopez...he's not going to guard the perimeter much at all...and he mostly plays a drop coverage style...but people shoot only 50% at the rim vs him so he basically locks down the interior.

[KnixinSix]

after what we gave up for Bridges. Of course Ainge picked up phone for Knicks lol

Bwahahhaa all we have to offer is Det and/or Wash picks and McBride

[mpharris36]

We wouldnt even have to include mcbride in either trade since we are about 5.2 million from the first apron. Kessler makes about 2.6 and Richards 5 million. I would think we would be giving up some swaps and the det/washington picks

you aren't getting Kessler without Duece...lets not be crazy here...Nick Richards who is far less impactful sure you can probably get for a couple 2nd rounders....but Kessler going to cost you at least Duece.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Losing Ihart sux cause he has some sort of a threat offensively. Rest of our options are rim runners like Kessler

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want.

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

[WargamesX]

It's good we're showing interest in Kessler and Richards. I can't see Utah accepting just McBride and 2rps for him though

Our swaps are not worth much, but McBride is. Don’t sleep he has a Marcus Smart upside and did his thing in the playoffs. It would suck to let him go

[mpharris36]

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want.

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

I mean they treated Kessler as a bench player last year and McBride was a 20 minutes per game big time performer in the playoffs on one of the best contracts in the game. It should be pretty close to his value.

I think McBride starts for Utah from day 1. He can be Ainge's Marcus Smart with less defense and more shooting.

[stuporman]

Someone needs to post the sleeping Rose pic as every FA option is going off the board and all he'll be left with is overpaying in a trade.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

I mean they treated Kessler as a bench player last year and McBride was a 20 minutes per game big time performer in the playoffs on one of the best contracts in the game. It should be pretty close to his value.

I think McBride starts for Utah from day 1. He can be Ainge's Marcus Smart with less defense and more shooting.

Ainge being the pick hoarder he is would ask for #1 picks guaranteed.

[KnixinSix]

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want.

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

Thibs wants to play defense inside out , not outside in. He wants an elite rim protecting Center. Mitch is one but injury prone and should play limited minutes to minimize risk. You get Kessler, this team is pretty close to a Thibs system dream team.

[stuporman]

I'm OK with giving up McBride if we had to for Kessler. In Thibs system, Kessler might even be more valuable than IHart was.

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

I mean they treated Kessler as a bench player last year and McBride was a 20 minutes per game big time performer in the playoffs on one of the best contracts in the game. It should be pretty close to his value.

I think McBride starts for Utah from day 1. He can be Ainge's Marcus Smart with less defense and more shooting.

Relative value doesn't mean much to mAinge because he always wants to win every trade and especially if someone is desperate he's going to pick the other team clean.

[DOT]

At full strength, the gimmick for us will be a team that can stay big or small and still be physical, there should be no rebounding drop off in theory if we go small. As in a team like the Pacers we should absolutely match down against and punish them, but it remains to be seen if the coach would do that.

Losing Ihart sux cause he has some sort of a threat offensively. Rest of our options are rim runners like Kessler

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want. We probably don't get either though

Kessler's actually not that far off from iHart in terms of finishing further out from the basket

He took a similar percentage of shots from 3-10 feet out as iHart (25.7% of his FGA were from 3-10 feet to 26.0% of iHart's, and he took about half a FG more per game too so more overall), but he was a bit less efficient (51.1% shooting to iHart's 56.8%, but career from that range is 53.2% for iHart to 52.8% for Kessler)

Meanwhile, Mitch has never taken more than 9.1% of his shots from more than 3 feet out and only has one season where he shot more than 36% from that range

Average distance from rim last year was 3.4 for Kessler (3.1 career), 3.5 for iHart (4.9 career, 6.0 his first season with us, interestingly enough), 1.0 for Mitch (1.3 career lol). Kessler profiles significantly closer to iHart's scoring than Mitch's.

[3toheadmelo]

At full strength, the gimmick for us will be a team that can stay big or small and still be physical, there should be no rebounding drop off in theory if we go small. As in a team like the Pacers we should absolutely match down against and punish them, but it remains to be seen if the coach would do that.

Losing Ihart sux cause he has some sort of a threat offensively. Rest of our options are rim runners like Kessler

Kessler would be good insurance though, especially since he's a starting level C, his rim protection numbers were absolutely elite and better than Mitch and Ihart's while playing with no defenders. He was at 51% DFG last year, IHart was 53% and Mitch was 70%. Getting him would allow us to move Mitch in the offseason since he's still cost controlled.


Richards had better rim protection numbers than Mitch, worse than IHart, and I don't really know how good he is. I know Kessler is good though, but he's only making $3-4 million which is what you really want. We probably don't get either though

I wouldn’t mind Kessler, it just sucks losing Ihart. Felt refreshing having a center who can pass the ball and had a floater game

[mpharris36]

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

I mean they treated Kessler as a bench player last year and McBride was a 20 minutes per game big time performer in the playoffs on one of the best contracts in the game. It should be pretty close to his value.

I think McBride starts for Utah from day 1. He can be Ainge's Marcus Smart with less defense and more shooting.

Ainge being the pick hoarder he is would ask for #1 picks guaranteed.

then we aren't acquiring him...if they legit want even value Duece is close. He can ask for it he's just not getting it.

Maybe its something like Duece + one of our protected 1st rounders from Wash or DET but it shouldn't cost more than that. Duece is probably one of the most coveted contracts in the league right now.

[mpharris36]

Just McBride isn’t all that Ainge would ask for though, and we are pick deficient after the Bridges trade.

I mean they treated Kessler as a bench player last year and McBride was a 20 minutes per game big time performer in the playoffs on one of the best contracts in the game. It should be pretty close to his value.

I think McBride starts for Utah from day 1. He can be Ainge's Marcus Smart with less defense and more shooting.

Relative value doesn't mean much to mAinge because he always wants to win every trade and especially if someone is desperate he's going to pick the other team clean.

then we pivot...Duece is a pretty close to fair value from everyway you look at it...Thats a cost controlled your piece for a cost controlled young piece. Maybe we have to add in one of our protected 1st rounders but if not we pivot to a lower cost option like Richards.

[3toheadmelo]

Ainge gonna try to rip us off for Kessler though. He gonna ask for deuce and OG knowing him lol

[dukeknicksirish]

Brunson/FA/Kolek
Mikal/Donte
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Randle/Precious/McCullar
Mitch/Kessler/Sims

This team can win a chip!

[WargamesX]

Ainge gonna try to rip us off for Kessler though. He gonna ask for deuce and OG knowing him lol

Then we Pivot. However, Deuce could be Utah’s starting PG now and is a Marcus Smart’ish player. There is a chance he bites.

[mpharris36]

another thing to note...Kessler is CAA...I'm sure his reps weren't happy with how Utah messed with his value last year...giving John Collins and Olynyk roles over him. If Jazz+Hardy really want to go with a fully 5 out lineup like he was in BOS...Utah might try to cash in on Kessler soon.

How soon IDK...but don't downplay Duece a main piece in this deal...he had a above avg TS% he is a plus defender and in less than 20 mins he avg over 8 ppg and 41% from 3.
You can def see him being a very productive 28-30 minute a nice piece in the 12-13 ppg range with +2 3's a game over 40% from 3 and good defense...those players are very valuable...

then factor in his contract...he is a super valuable piece. Typically I wouldn't want to include him at all but we are in a tough spot with our big man depth and mitch's injury history.

I also think there are some vet PG's on the market we can probably hold down the for a year until Kolek is ready.