[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[FieldsMedal]

Intersting quote by Donnie in Lupica's (who suddenly decided to stop drinking the haterade after all this time SMH)

Knicks not sucking anymore is as reasonable an explanation as any.

[defjux21]

You guys have short term memories.

You don't remember this gem from the summer?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... gency.html

He was blasting our front office at the time. Now he's singing Walsh's praises left and right.

[duetta]

Lupica is the ultimate front runner.

[towelie]

You guys have short term memories.

You don't remember this gem from the summer?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... gency.html

He was blasting our front office at the time. Now he's singing Walsh's praises left and right.

Nope, I don't remember this. First time reading it.

And he was lambasting Dolan, not Walsh...where's the hypocrisy?

[Gregory151]

Intersting quote by Donnie in Lupica's (who suddenly decided to stop drinking the haterade after all this time SMH) piece today:

"I'm not done," Walsh said. "I want us to get to the contending level. I think we're right there, I do. We're in good shape with the salary cap, depending on what happens with the new collective bargaining agreement. Let's finish the job."

Then Donnie Walsh said this:

"I want to take one more shot at the gold."'

Niceee.. lets get it donnie!
man i want this done already.. but every time i get anxious like that i think that donnie & his team are probably on the phones all day everyday trying to get this sh*t done

[Childs2Dudley]

I want to win a title for Donnie almost as much as I want to win one for this franchise, this city and this fanbase. He deserves it.

[magnumt]

Intersting quote by Donnie in Lupica's (who suddenly decided to stop drinking the haterade after all this time SMH) piece today:

"I'm not done," Walsh said. "I want us to get to the contending level. I think we're right there, I do. We're in good shape with the salary cap, depending on what happens with the new collective bargaining agreement. Let's finish the job."

Then Donnie Walsh said this:

"I want to take one more shot at the gold."'

I'm reading that as either a Deadline Deal, or FA.

--Mags

[CHARLYMURPHY]

I want to win a title for Donnie almost as much as I want to win one for this franchise, this city and this fanbase. He deserves it.

Man if/when the knicks do win a championship in my lifetime that would be one of the greatest moments of my life, obviously like 99.9% on this board, no one probably even watched the championship they won in the early 70's

I try to enjoy this board while i can because right now alot of the people who are members right now are real knick fans and we all try to talk about how the knicks can get better for the last 10 years. Then once if we win a championship, this board will be overflooded with new fans and bandwagoners, i hope all of us who have watched this team for their whole lives without seeing them in the NBA Championship deserve to see them in it.

[towelie]

Reason #63 to get Melo over a big man:

Whether we go after Melo or go after a big like Marc Gasol, we're going to be locked into that lineup for the next couple of years.

The only resources we'll have are the MLE and late 20-something 1st round picks. I can tell you now that it's going to be 10x easier finding a defensive center with a late pick or convincing one like Dalembert to join at the MLE, than it will be to find a star go-to scorer with those same resources.

Getting Melo helps us in the long-term, which is possibly holding up a championship trophy in two years, after filling a big man center over the summer or via trade.

Getting a big man now may help us in the short-term, and would likely improve our team more immediately than getting Melo would...but it'd be that much more difficult to take that next step from being an Atlanta Hawks pretender to a dominant repeat title contender.

[Pharmcat]

Reason #63 to get Melo over a big man:

Whether we go after Melo or go after a big like Marc Gasol, we're going to be locked into that lineup for the next couple of years.

The only resources we'll have are the MLE and late 20-something 1st round picks. I can tell you now that it's going to be 10x easier finding a defensive center with a late pick or convincing one like Dalembert to join at the MLE, than it will be to find a star go-to scorer with those same resources.

Getting Melo helps us in the long-term, which is possibly holding up a championship trophy in two years, after filling a big man center over the summer or via trade.

Getting a big man now may help us in the short-term, and would likely improve our team more immediately than getting Melo would...but it'd be that much more difficult to take that next step from being an Atlanta Hawks pretender to a dominant repeat title contender.

excellent point

[DLTGWH]

Reason #63 to get Melo over a big man:

Whether we go after Melo or go after a big like Marc Gasol, we're going to be locked into that lineup for the next couple of years.

The only resources we'll have are the MLE and late 20-something 1st round picks. I can tell you now that it's going to be 10x easier finding a defensive center with a late pick or convincing one like Dalembert to join at the MLE, than it will be to find a star go-to scorer with those same resources.

Getting Melo helps us in the long-term, which is possibly holding up a championship trophy in two years, after filling a big man center over the summer or via trade.

Getting a big man now may help us in the short-term, and would likely improve our team more immediately than getting Melo would...but it'd be that much more difficult to take that next step from being an Atlanta Hawks pretender to a dominant repeat title contender.

Correct, this team will never be a stout defensive outrebound the oponent type. We need to outscore the opposition, to win, period.

Mikes old phrase the better defensive is the one that gave up fewer points lives on.

[NYman15]

Excellent point

[Starksfor3]

Getting Melo now sounds like the best idea. But it also takes two to tango.

In Donnie we trust.

[BklyntoTNeck]

You guys have short term memories.

You don't remember this gem from the summer?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... gency.html

He was blasting our front office at the time. Now he's singing Walsh's praises left and right.

I'd suggest you read it again.

[defjux21]

You guys have short term memories.

You don't remember this gem from the summer?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... gency.html

He was blasting our front office at the time. Now he's singing Walsh's praises left and right.

I'd suggest you read it again.

Think about that with the Knicks trying to spend $100 million on Stoudemire, even as we read and hear that they are not his first choice and he is most certainly not theirs, not with James and Wade out there. One hundred million about to change hands and it's not even true love, it's like, well, Eliot Spitzer love.
...
That is the real context of what is happening as guys like Dolan beg guys like LeBron. Then turning around and begging Stoudemire to take $100 million. He is a very good player, a terrific power forward. He is no superstar, even as he is about to get superstar money. Two reasons: He makes the Knicks a lot better. The Knicks are desperate to spend their money, and know that they look even dumber than ever with all this cap space if they don't use it.

He essentially opposes the STAT signing and uses a rather caustic tone as a means to question the FO's free agency efforts, even going so far as to project long-term ramifications (he bases a lot of his article on illustrating a bleak future with all teams supposedly hell-bent on overpaying like the Knicks appeared).

His piece on Walsh today was very different

Walsh's contract expires in the spring, though the Knicks have an option on him for one more year. Not only should they tell him he is coming back now, they should give him three more years if he wants them. He should absolutely be given the chance to finish what is an amazing job already, considering the toxic mess he inherited from Isiah Thomas

duetta is right, this guy is a quintessential front runner.

[Newyorknick94]

when do you guys think mozgov will get some minutes?
He looked good in a practice video i watched yesterday
i wanna see if he made any progress.

[K_ick_God]

I want to win a title for Donnie almost as much as I want to win one for this franchise, this city and this fanbase. He deserves it.

Yes, agreed.

... It is difficult to tell exactly the context in which Walsh said what he said below, but read the bolded part. This sounds to me like it's possible that Walsh is also very confident that the Nets are not in the running for Melo:

"I'm feeling very confident we can be in position to get a first-round pick if we want it," Walsh said.

"Billy's going to rebuild the team through the draft, and he can use those draft choices to trade with other players," Walsh said.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... und_pick/##ixzz18JUPrYeC

[Newyorknick94]

when do you guys think mozgov will get some minutes?
He looked good in a practice video i watched yesterday
i wanna see if he made any progress.

oops i meant to post this in the game thread lol

[Capn'O]

Reason #63 to get Melo over a big man:

Whether we go after Melo or go after a big like Marc Gasol, we're going to be locked into that lineup for the next couple of years.

The only resources we'll have are the MLE and late 20-something 1st round picks. I can tell you now that it's going to be 10x easier finding a defensive center with a late pick or convincing one like Dalembert to join at the MLE, than it will be to find a star go-to scorer with those same resources.

Getting Melo helps us in the long-term, which is possibly holding up a championship trophy in two years, after filling a big man center over the summer or via trade.

Getting a big man now may help us in the short-term, and would likely improve our team more immediately than getting Melo would...but it'd be that much more difficult to take that next step from being an Atlanta Hawks pretender to a dominant repeat title contender.

A good post but consider - Gasol is a bit different from the other defensive centers out there in that he is a solid and willing passer and can also hit the 15-20 footer with consistency. Gasol does a good deal more than Dalembert does and would likely get more opportunities within this offense. Plus he rests Stat. He's a natural cog for this team whereas Carmelo may not be. And he is still young and getting better.

The Gallo/Will hybrid is also emerging as quite the dangerous scorer...

My main argument for getting Melo, actually, is that we could get him this year... and with a HUGE lockout likely on the horizon we might as well shoot for the moon this season. It could really happen

[Black Jesus]

If Knicks want to ride this team without Melo they can. It won't be a championship but it'll be fun (1st round, 2nd round exit possibly). Honestly the Knicks go for Melo no matter what it takes. In the long run, it's not going to be regrettable. You get him while you can, even if that means giving up some good role players. If Amare/Felton/Melo are 3 of your starting 5, players will come to NY. Getting him next year doesn't make sense, it's not a 100% guaranteed acquisition if you wait until next season. You get him this year if rumors are in fact to be true that Melo would like to be traded to NY more than anywhere else.

PG- Felton
SG- Easy to find a decent SG
SF-Melo
PF-Amare
C- Easy filler down the road.


Knicks will have 3 Locked positions. Players that are well in the top 10 of their positions. People are nuts who don't want Melo if that means they have to trade Gallo/Fields etc to get him. People worry about the bench, d'antoni would never run a 9-10 rotation anyways. Even with a crappy bench as of now, the Knicks will at least have instant offense by switching Amare/Melo instead of Felton/Amare out there to hold onto leads etc. What we saw in Boston last night was a great example. Of course this is all for beating great teams and becoming a top tier team, otherwise Knicks are fine.