Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II

[Rotten Apple]

#3, Brown/Crowder and Brooklyn's pick next year is a fair package imo

[Knox]

You guys aren't getting it for 3 years Phil had no structure and acted like an Fing idiot running his mount, having Rosen hit piece players and tweeting a bunch of stupid crap. A couple things off of that statement. 1- Can expect your players to act any different then the way you are acting... 2- After 3 years can all the sudden turn into a hard *** and say you are trying to build a culture or structure 3 - You can't have a player go AWOL in the middle of the season without punishment...

Doesn't work that way in real life.

You can't expect Phil to fix decades worth of F***ery in three years. The one thing we are overlooking is Phil has to deal with Dolan as much as he has to deal with fixing the franchise. I am sure keeping Dolan away is a big pain in the butt. All I know this is the best position the Knicks have been in years. We don't have to many garbage contracts, we have our draft picks, and we have a man willing to uphold our franchise despite star players turning turncoat diva on us

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[Jstock12]

KP is a known variable. A guy whose ceiling is a franchise level player and floor of a perennial All-Star. I don't like trading him for unknown variables that have All-Star ceilings and Bust floors. These types of trades are always a gamble. They're only fair value if you're lucky and those picks do not become busts.

Exactly. Known quantities are worth more than unknown. A player's value goes down a year after he's drafted more often than it goes up.

People like to play that WHAT IF game in their minds when it comes down to young prospects. What if Jahlil Okafor is Tim Duncan 2.0?.. Mysteries are fun and sexy. But GMs should never play this game. You know what you have in KP and that's something that's very hard to come by.

[Howard Cosell]

Celtics are walking away from dealing with Phil Jackson. It's being reported C's have decided to use their 3rd pick tonight and won't do a trade down.

Once again Phil asks for too much and now has an even more disgruntled star player.

[rammagen]

if they trade him they trade him. I hate to see him go but I am Knick fan first. Kp is a great player and likes being in MY but Phil may have screwed up that relationship. Butif you get #3 brown, crowder, next yrs pick you take it and run. Just because you now have a small forward/Guard, a high pick for a pg and a small forward

[NOOB77]

The one thing that could hurt Phil's leverage over Celtics is LaMarcus Aldridge.

Ainge just says "fine you don't want the deal? We get LMA for cheaper."

LMA is much older than KP, but still fits Celtics' current need to upgrade over Amir Johnson.

I think Ainge still wants KP more obviously, but if the price is too steep they will have at least a consolation prize that doesn't cost them nearly as much.

Darn so we get to keep KP?

[BeagleBoss]

What would Bill Belichick do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

What would Gregg Popovich do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

Phil is not the coach. It's a big difference.

[rammagen]

Celtics are walking away from dealing with Phil Jackson. It's being reported C's have decided to use their 3rd pick tonight and won't do a trade down.

Once again Phil asks for too much and now has an even more disgruntled star player.

These guys (players need to know) anyone can be traded unless you have a ntc. Now the real question is this Phil tryiong to play a mind game or Boston poising the well

[duetta]

Brown was last year's third overall pick who emerged as a contributing player for the 53-win Celtics. He also happens to have a close relationship with former Knicks president and head coach Isiah Thomas.

- from Isola's story at the News.

[NOOB77]

You guys aren't getting it for 3 years Phil had no structure and acted like an Fing idiot running his mount, having Rosen hit piece players and tweeting a bunch of stupid crap. A couple things off of that statement. 1- Can expect your players to act any different then the way you are acting... 2- After 3 years can all the sudden turn into a hard *** and say you are trying to build a culture or structure 3 - You can't have a player go AWOL in the middle of the season without punishment...

Doesn't work that way in real life.

You can't expect Phil to fix decades worth of F***ery in three years. The one thing we are overlooking is Phil has to deal with Dolan as much as he has to deal with fixing the franchise. I am sure keeping Dolan away is a big pain in the butt. All I know this is the best position the Knicks have been in years. We don't have to many garbage contracts, we have our draft picks, and we have a man willing to uphold our franchise despite star players turning turncoat diva on us

What stuff carries over from decades to decades. He has turned this roster over multiple times. So no players are carry overs. So now we are saying Phil failed because the drama that was here from years before him?

[HerSports85]

What would Bill Belichick do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

What would Gregg Popovich do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

Umm I doubt a player would do that to those 2 guys who will probably be 10x the president Phil is


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[Revived]

If Boston makes a deal for 7 then trade is a go. They aren't doing that just because

All joking aside if we get the 3 and 7 and keep the 8. Who's available at 7? We get Jackson at 3, monk at 7 and frank at 8?????? That's a trash team wth no bigs

That's why I think Suns deal makes more sense since they get Chriss in it too who is good young big with potential. Take Chriss, take #4, take Warren who is Melo replacement, take Miami's unprotected 1st rd pick next year and dump Noah.

[Billy Goat]

You guys aren't getting it for 3 years Phil had no structure and acted like an Fing idiot running his mount, having Rosen hit piece players and tweeting a bunch of stupid crap. A couple things off of that statement. 1- Can expect your players to act any different then the way you are acting... 2- After 3 years can all the sudden turn into a hard *** and say you are trying to build a culture or structure 3 - You can't have a player go AWOL in the middle of the season without punishment...

Doesn't work that way in real life.

You can't expect Phil to fix decades worth of F***ery in three years. The one thing we are overlooking is Phil has to deal with Dolan as much as he has to deal with fixing the franchise. I am sure keeping Dolan away is a big pain in the butt. All I know this is the best position the Knicks have been in years. We don't have to many garbage contracts, we have our draft picks, and we have a man willing to uphold our franchise despite star players turning turncoat diva on us

What stuff carries over from decades to decades. He has turned this roster over multiple times. So no players are carry overs. So now we are saying Phil failed because the drama that was here from years before him?

Phil's failures are directly tied to Carmelo Anthony. The contract was an abomination.

[rammagen]

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and they should be why shouldn't they be. perceived value from the knicks side is bound to be higher. funny how no talks since this am...

[GONYK]

The one thing that could hurt Phil's leverage over Celtics is LaMarcus Aldridge.

Ainge just says "fine you don't want the deal? We get LMA for cheaper."

LMA is much older than KP, but still fits Celtics' current need to upgrade over Amir Johnson.

I think Ainge still wants KP more obviously, but if the price is too steep they will have at least a consolation prize that doesn't cost them nearly as much.

We want to keep KP more than we want to give him to the Celtics and the Celtics want KP more than they want Aldridge.

So who cares?

[HerSports85]

What would Bill Belichick do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

What would Gregg Popovich do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

They wouldn't do that because they respect there bosses.

I guess you weren't around when Mason and Starks used to constantly fight with Riley. As well as one Charles Oakley. And that was back in the day when players made less and had less leeway.

This is a fail. The idea that it's always the manager's fault when someone is insubordinate. B.S.

Fighting and disagreeing is different from skipping exit meetings and not returning calls


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[thebuzzardman]

That's got to be 10 from Sacramento, no?

NM - I guess it could be something down around 14,15 too.

NOT without knowing where that 2nd draft pick will be. If its top 10, then yeah, but, if not.....

a post earlier said they were trying to get 7 from minny

I was jumping around.

It's hell trying to keep up with all the stuff. I think Phil and Woj have RealGM stock or something.

[Rotten Apple]

We can expedite this rebuild

Brown- The Asset
2 lottery picks this year
2 lottery picks next year
Hernangomez
Maybe a 2019 lottery pick as wel

That's 7 potential core players if we don't f*ck up