[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[Mecca]

your not Leary to fall in love with workouts which don't resemble actual game action? I am always concerned about the "workout warrior". Sure they look good but does the tape match it?

I mean its possible he could have improved immensely from the time he was in kentucky but he also could have had a really good week of tryouts as well. I'm just not sure what he does really well.

See my post w K-DOT

i did. I get where your coming from but Mikal just the better prospect and player IMO. So is Knox a horrible selection...no. But I don't see how you could watch both guys and come away that Knox should be the pick...personally.

Do you see me saying he’s better than Mikal? Or that I prefer him to Mikal? It’s more that I’d be happy with either one.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Cant believe people dont see the upside in Knox. Smh. Dude is a demon in transition too. Not shy to put it on the floor.

49th percentile in transition with a 19% turnover rate is a real demon.

49th percentile meaning what? Serious question

In Synergy's database, he ranked in the 49th percentile in transition (which is considered "average"), but that's bad for a high level prospect. The 19% turnover rate is his turnover rate in transition. What's scarier than his turnover rate in general, is the fact that he had a 26% turnover rate RUNNING THE WING! He'd fumble the ball, make a bad pass, drive into traffic, etc so often.

[KnickLeDime]

49th percentile in transition with a 19% turnover rate is a real demon.

49th percentile meaning what? Serious question

In Synergy's database, he ranked in the 49th percentile in transition (which is considered "average"), but that's bad for a high level prospect. The 19% turnover rate is his turnover rate in transition. What's scarier than his turnover rate in general, is the fact that he had a 26% turnover rate RUNNING THE WING! He'd fumble the ball, make a bad pass, drive into traffic, etc so often.

What are Mikals stats...again, this is an 18 year old kid...

[Jstock12]

Watch on YouTube

The move at 1:11

Musa was an equal rival to Doncic when they were 15.

Really? Damn. How much hype does he have overseas?

At that time, it really wasn't clear who's gonna be the better player. Both looked like rare prodigies. But since then, Doncic has put a lot of separation between him and Musa, while Musa's progression has slowed down.

[DOT]

That and Calipari has never been a great in-game coach. The workout stuff does concern me; getting hyped over a guy just because looked great in 5-on-zero stuff. You're really playing with fire there.

It's interesting that Perry said analytics will play a huge role in who they take but FOE (who has Synergy access) posted a few minutes ago that Knox's advanced stats/efficiency are pretty ugly.

I think Knox is a smokescreen, honestly

After all that talk about defense, I don't think we really have him as high on our board as they're making it seem

I could be wrong though

Why do we need to smokescreen anything? Is Mikal so high up on people's boards that we're worried about someone jumping us for him?

I dunno

I know the 6ers are really high on him, which makes sense, but what I think's actually happening is we ain't saying sh*t, and the media is going crazy trying to throw something at the wall and make it stick

[levendis]

I needed more time to trick myself into liking Knox

[knicks1999]

I don’t watch a lot of college basketball,but the highlights I have seen remind me of Charlie Villanueva

[Fat]

But he’s not a good defender, and he was in the 44th percentile in catch and shoot situations (including only 57th in UNGUARDED situations). Him becoming a 3/D guy is far from certain.

he shot 34% from 3 and has the physical tools to be solid on defense him becoming a 3D is very likely his defense issues come alot from lack of focus and assertiveness not a problem at all fixing.

Everyone wants to trade up for bamba talking about how he can defend and stretch out. he shot 27% from 3

these dudes played one year and are 18 and 19 years old i dont see how its unlikely when your already on the right track but need more grooming.

57th percentile in unguarded situations...meaning, where defense isn't near him. That's not a great sign going forward. It could be him getting more reps, yeah, but it doesn't mean he'll become a knock down three point shooter.

Physical tools mean nothing if the IQ is there. He did not show BBIQ on defense at all last year.

Knox came into college as this versatile scorer with a smooth looking jumper...he did not display that. Bamba came in as a defensive/rebounding force with a limited offensive game. Knox looked subpar relative to where he was expected to be, whereas Bamba showed he was MORE than he was expected to be. Bamba's game improved much more than Knox's did from senior year of HS through the freshman year in college. You're right...people expecting Bamba to come in and knock down threes are probably going to be let down...but...he's on the right trajectory for that with the huge steps he's taken in the last year +.

Ayton is going #1 physical tools and not great IQ

I just feel yall looking at Knox like he's some kind of finished project. If mikal entered the draft as a freshman he wouldnt even be considered a top 10 pick period. He grew and got better over time and yall refuse to look at that picture. yall comparing 3 years of experience to a freshman thrown into the fire of being a star on a team of starters who were dam near the same age as him and didnt have experience themselves.

idk man mikal is a EASY pick to like and take but i dont feel his upside is greater but hes still in my top 3 on draft night either way.

[KnickLeDime]

I needed more time to trick myself into liking Knox

You got four hours...snap to it!

[delvec19]

You can't crush a GM for wanting to take a player that basically every big college program was frothing over.

[KnickLeDime]

he shot 34% from 3 and has the physical tools to be solid on defense him becoming a 3D is very likely his defense issues come alot from lack of focus and assertiveness not a problem at all fixing.

Everyone wants to trade up for bamba talking about how he can defend and stretch out. he shot 27% from 3

these dudes played one year and are 18 and 19 years old i dont see how its unlikely when your already on the right track but need more grooming.

57th percentile in unguarded situations...meaning, where defense isn't near him. That's not a great sign going forward. It could be him getting more reps, yeah, but it doesn't mean he'll become a knock down three point shooter.

Physical tools mean nothing if the IQ is there. He did not show BBIQ on defense at all last year.

Knox came into college as this versatile scorer with a smooth looking jumper...he did not display that. Bamba came in as a defensive/rebounding force with a limited offensive game. Knox looked subpar relative to where he was expected to be, whereas Bamba showed he was MORE than he was expected to be. Bamba's game improved much more than Knox's did from senior year of HS through the freshman year in college. You're right...people expecting Bamba to come in and knock down threes are probably going to be let down...but...he's on the right trajectory for that with the huge steps he's taken in the last year +.

Ayton is going #1 physical tools and not great IQ

I just feel yall looking at Knox like he's some kind of finished project. If mikal entered the draft as a freshman he wouldnt even be considered a top 10 pick period. He grew and got better over time and yall refuse to look at that picture. yall comparing 3 years of experience to a freshman thrown into the fire of being a star on a team of starters who were dam near the same age as him and didnt have experience themselves.

idk man mikal is a EASY pick to like and take but i dont feel his upside is greater but hes still in my top 3 on draft night either way.

I have no idea if these things are available but I wonder how Mikal looks after his freshman year vs Knox...on advanced analytics.

[Floozenheimen]

At the very least knox will be a 3/D that can play either sf/pf basically the same sh*t as mikal how does he have a good chance of busting lol

But he’s not a good defender, and he was in the 44th percentile in catch and shoot situations (including only 57th in UNGUARDED situations). Him becoming a 3/D guy is far from certain.

he shot 34% from 3 and has the physical tools to be solid on defense him becoming a 3D is very likely his defense issues come alot from lack of focus and assertiveness not a problem at all fixing.

Everyone wants to trade up for bamba talking about how he can defend and stretch out. he shot 27% from 3

these dudes played one year and are 18 and 19 years old and just scratching the surface of who they will be. i dont see how its unlikely when your already on the right track but need more grooming.

Amar'e had the physical tools to be a beast on D but he was braindead. Height length and athleticism are useless without a properly functioning brain.

[F N 11]

[quote="FrontOfficeEye"][quote="K P 6"]Cant believe people dont see the upside in Knox. Smh. Dude is a demon in transition too. Not shy to put it on the floor.[/quote]
49th percentile in transition with a 19% turnover rate is a real demon.[/quote]
Yall can go into your stats all you want. From the highlights I have seen he gets it on the run and attacks. He's young, I think he can build off of it.

[SmoothLefty21]

That's fair. I think Mikal's BBIQ is just far superior, and having been coached by the best coach in college basketball helps him in that department. Can Knox develop his individual skills? Yeah, for sure. Will he? No idea. I saw one hard take the entire season that I LOVED - against Konate (was fouled). That was far and away my favorite play from him on offense. Why? He basically said "**** you, I'm going through you." That was the only time I saw that, though...which is a red flag, IMO.

He's 18...and has the physical tools, but I'm not sure he has the IQ. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong if the Knicks draft him, 100%...and, in some areas, I actually think a coach like Fiz might be the guy do push the right buttons...however...his demeanor might also make Knox tune him out.

I really think he can boom or bust, but I don't think his boom is high enough to remove the scary thoughts I have about his bust.

I agree. Bridges is unquestionably the smarter player but had the advantage of playing for arguably the best X's & O's coach in the country and in the best "team first" program. He was a key cog in a very well-oiled machine. The chemistry on that experienced Nova squad was roughly a bagillion times better than UK's. Also, him being three years older than Knox has something to do with it.

Knox uses screens well and is pretty crafty at getting to the rim but definitely needs to improve his body control and finishing in there. Like a lot of young kids, he rushes things a bit around the rim. His playmaking/passing is a big concern. He came off screens to shoot or take one dribble to create space and get off a shot. Who knows if that's what Calipari was telling him to do but he's shown virtually no passing ability.

Kind of like Bagley, his help D is rough though I don't think he's a lazy defender. Not many 18-year-olds are good team defenders. It's about building habits and coaching. I'd be strongly against drafting him if he was a lazy defender.

I'm on the verge of talking myself into preferring Mikal again.

[Jeff Van Gully]

And another team looking to use their pick to dump salary



to all those who didn’t want to keep cap space open to gain assets

your point has been made... many, many times over.

always good for a rebuilding team to have cap space. should be written on a blackboard many times over.

I would love a gif with Mills head on bart’s body writing that out

this is where my mind went.

[Oscirus]

But he’s not a good defender, and he was in the 44th percentile in catch and shoot situations (including only 57th in UNGUARDED situations). Him becoming a 3/D guy is far from certain.

he shot 34% from 3 and has the physical tools to be solid on defense him becoming a 3D is very likely his defense issues come alot from lack of focus and assertiveness not a problem at all fixing.

Everyone wants to trade up for bamba talking about how he can defend and stretch out. he shot 27% from 3

these dudes played one year and are 18 and 19 years old and just scratching the surface of who they will be. i dont see how its unlikely when your already on the right track but need more grooming.

Amar'e had the physical tools to be a beast on D but he was braindead. Height length and athleticism are useless without a properly functioning brain.

You spelled phenomenal wrong

[KnickLeDime]

That's fair. I think Mikal's BBIQ is just far superior, and having been coached by the best coach in college basketball helps him in that department. Can Knox develop his individual skills? Yeah, for sure. Will he? No idea. I saw one hard take the entire season that I LOVED - against Konate (was fouled). That was far and away my favorite play from him on offense. Why? He basically said "**** you, I'm going through you." That was the only time I saw that, though...which is a red flag, IMO.

He's 18...and has the physical tools, but I'm not sure he has the IQ. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong if the Knicks draft him, 100%...and, in some areas, I actually think a coach like Fiz might be the guy do push the right buttons...however...his demeanor might also make Knox tune him out.

I really think he can boom or bust, but I don't think his boom is high enough to remove the scary thoughts I have about his bust.

I agree. Bridges is unquestionably the smarter player but had the advantage of playing for arguably the best X's & O's coach in the country and in the best "team first" program. He was a key cog in a very well-oiled machine. The chemistry on that experienced Nova squad was roughly a bagillion times better than UK's. Also, him being three years older than Knox has something to do with it.

Knox uses screens well and is pretty crafty at getting to the rim but definitely needs to improve his body control and finishing in there. Like a lot of young kids, he rushes things a bit around the rim. His playmaking/passing is a big concern. He came off screens to shoot or take one dribble to create space and get off a shot. Who knows if that's what Calipari was telling him to do but he's shown virtually no passing ability.

Kind of like Bagley, his help D is rough though I don't think he's a lazy defender. Not many 18-year-olds are good team defenders. It's about building habits and coaching. I'd be strongly against drafting him if he was a lazy defender.

I'm on the verge of talking myself into preferring Mikal again.

Again, no ****...one guy has 3 years experience with two NCAA championships and the other is an 18 year old prodigy...who do people think will make better basketball decisions? It's not apples to apples.

[SmoothLefty21]

I don’t watch a lot of college basketball,but the highlights I have seen remind me of Charlie Villanueva

As a big UConn fan, Charlie V was not as good as a freshman and he was a year older than Knox is.

[mpharris36]

See my post w K-DOT

i did. I get where your coming from but Mikal just the better prospect and player IMO. So is Knox a horrible selection...no. But I don't see how you could watch both guys and come away that Knox should be the pick...personally.

Do you see me saying he’s better than Mikal? Or that I prefer him to Mikal? It’s more that I’d be happy with either one.

I never said you said that. I just don't have that personality. If I think Mikal is the better player/prospect (which I do). Then I will not be pleased if we pick a player I clearly think is better in pretty much every facet of there games. So I don't get being happy if your main target is on the board and you pass him up.

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

[mpharris36]

You can't crush a GM for wanting to take a player that basically every big college program was frothing over.

u mean like jahlil okafor?