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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Post#881 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 11:08 am

GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Read on Twitter


Jesus, what a loser
Here is the video

Read on Twitter

I love the video but unfortunately it's a deep fake I think. Trump doesn't look right and the faces are never shown in the same frame. A pity.

The Michael Cohen book is yanking everyone's chains so hard but if it diverts even one dollar from The Biden campaign it will be worth it. It should be obvious by now Trump is impervious from these kinds of attacks and these are super over the top.

I'm enjoying the show though. Isn't it grand?
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Post#882 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Sep 6, 2020 11:36 am

So I understand we are not supposed to call people names or bait them. That's fine, but what is this trash they are posting claiming everything from Cohen is fiction?

Now they're posting more lies and gloating because they think they are protected.

Besides not calling people names and baiting, are we going to have any standards about people who consistently post lies and rancid source materials?

Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress launched the investigation into Trump's banking fraud which has resulted in the court's ruling Trump's accounting firm Mazars must turn over his taxes.

Here it is.

Read on Twitter


That's the U.S. Congress, not clown world

That testimony set the wheels in motion. And it is proceeding to indictment. And that wouldn't have happened if Cohen failed to provide investigators with materials.

Tish James just subpoenaed Eric Trump

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/judge-orders-trump-company-to-court-for-new-york-subpoenas.html

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/attorney-general-james-takes-action-force-trump-organization-comply-ongoing

FACTS

Not toxic disinfo sites like Breitbart and Zero Hedge which this person traffics in

I'm not bullying. I'm asking for accountability
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Post#883 » by aq_ua » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:27 pm

As crazy as it sounds, maybe this election should just come down to policy debate and a close look at track record instead of character issues. That is probably what sways the marginal vote, since the loyal contingent of the voting base has already made up its mind.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#884 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:48 pm

You know if you disagree with what I say you can just debate me. That's what this thread is for. Sometimes the debate will be about facts and sometimes opinion. Whatever.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#885 » by Dave DaButcher » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:07 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:So I understand we are not supposed to call people names or bait them. That's fine, but what is this trash they are posting claiming everything from Cohen is fiction?

Now they're posting more lies and gloating because they think they are protected.

Besides not calling people names and baiting, are we going to have any standards about people who consistently post lies and rancid source materials?

Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress launched the investigation into Trump's banking fraud which has resulted in the court's ruling Trump's accounting firm Mazars must turn over his taxes.

Here it is.

Read on Twitter


That's the U.S. Congress, not clown world

That testimony set the wheels in motion. And it is proceeding to indictment. And that wouldn't have happened if Cohen failed to provide investigators with materials.

Tish James just subpoenaed Eric Trump

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/judge-orders-trump-company-to-court-for-new-york-subpoenas.html

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/attorney-general-james-takes-action-force-trump-organization-comply-ongoing

FACTS

Not toxic disinfo sites like Breitbart and Zero Hedge which this person traffics in

I'm not bullying. I'm asking for accountability

Agreed. These new rules, though seemingly well-intentioned, only serve to amplify disinformation and render further participation here pointless.

So sayonara all. Don’t forget to vote, and let’s go Knicks!!
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Post#886 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:29 pm

Here it's saying Trump's hilarious parody takedown video of Obama was made in 2012 and supposed to air at the RNC but Romney was too big of a pussy to do it.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/trump-parody-video-firing-obama-bumped-never-aired-2012-rnc-awesome/
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Post#887 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 4:01 pm

Trump Unity Bridge vs. BLM standoff in Beverly Hills....

Turns into a MAGA YMCA Dance Party

More love, joy and happiness like this please.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NnzPEyTpByU[/youtube]
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Post#888 » by GONYK » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:05 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#889 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:45 pm

Dave DaButcher wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:So I understand we are not supposed to call people names or bait them. That's fine, but what is this trash they are posting claiming everything from Cohen is fiction?

Now they're posting more lies and gloating because they think they are protected.

Besides not calling people names and baiting, are we going to have any standards about people who consistently post lies and rancid source materials?

Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress launched the investigation into Trump's banking fraud which has resulted in the court's ruling Trump's accounting firm Mazars must turn over his taxes.

Here it is.

Read on Twitter


That's the U.S. Congress, not clown world

That testimony set the wheels in motion. And it is proceeding to indictment. And that wouldn't have happened if Cohen failed to provide investigators with materials.

Tish James just subpoenaed Eric Trump

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/judge-orders-trump-company-to-court-for-new-york-subpoenas.html

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020/attorney-general-james-takes-action-force-trump-organization-comply-ongoing

FACTS

Not toxic disinfo sites like Breitbart and Zero Hedge which this person traffics in

I'm not bullying. I'm asking for accountability

Agreed. These new rules, though seemingly well-intentioned, only serve to amplify disinformation and render further participation here pointless.

So sayonara all. Don’t forget to vote, and let’s go Knicks!!


Agreed. I try my best to bring value, but not sure if it is worth it.

I know I'm stubborn and combative, but I'm not that thin-skinned and can handle any appropriate rebukes, but let's be even-handed then is what I suggest.

I'm the only one who gets a public rebuke, but the guy who addresses the board as "poor black folks" and consistently posts low-grade trash material and actively lies and evades any truthful responses is not given a public rebuke. Even their apology wasn't an apology at all, but another bald-faced lie that they didn't know what "Clown World" meant. Seriously? This is the person you're protecting?

All I see is a guy reverting back to his original posting style (EXACTLY AS I PREDICTED) and now he is going to poison this board with their gloating KEK rubbish. None of their activities would even have been addressed if I was not willing to take the heat for confronting it so if I'm banned after this post then so be it. Shout out to PointGod for doing their share of the heavy lifting.

I'm out until I see some balance to the way this is handled. I'm not posting this with my blood pressure up and I'm just stating what I see as a need for more balanced accountability if you're going to publicly make an example out of me, but not publicly address what this person is doing as well.

I just see a big problem with our little world in here that reflects the bigger world outside which is the people who are destroying our country continue to not be held accountable due to major variances in consensus on what rights they deserve to have based on their conduct. Militias on the steps of state capitol buildings armed to the teeth is intimidation not free speech and steadily posting lies and discredited sources is not debate, its alt right propaganda done with a smug grin to provoke.

I will not "debate" sleaze merchants and validate their filth and lies. I see no reason for anyone to give them "EQUAL TIME" as if they've earned the respect of an honest back and forth when they only speak dishonestly. This is not just a matter of opinion, but the facts of their history of trolling, gloating over drinking the tears of liberals and actively spreading the professional lies of the Alt Right. Protecting their "right" to continue like that is where I get off this bus until I see something has changed.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#890 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:49 pm

This here is how Massachusetts handles their mail in voting. It wasn't fraud like in NJ it was just a cluster****

Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

But sure, let's do this for a national election.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/massachusetts-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-found-days-after-the-election/
A recount could be looming in the 4th Congressional District race between two Democrats as more uncounted ballots surfaced on Thursday.

Officials in Newton, Wellesley and Franklin on Thursday restarted counting primary ballots after Secretary of the Commonwealth William Galvin filed a court order to authorize local poll workers to continue counting ballots that were received on time and had not been tallied by the end of Tuesday night.

In Franklin, poll workers Thursday evening were counting about 3,000 uncounted ballots — much more than the previously estimated 600 uncounted ballots, according to a spokeswoman for the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s Office
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Post#891 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Sep 6, 2020 6:06 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:This here is how Massachusetts handles their mail in voting. It wasn't fraud like in NJ it was just a cluster****

Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

But sure, let's do this for a national election.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/massachusetts-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-found-days-after-the-election/
A recount could be looming in the 4th Congressional District race between two Democrats as more uncounted ballots surfaced on Thursday.

Officials in Newton, Wellesley and Franklin on Thursday restarted counting primary ballots after Secretary of the Commonwealth William Galvin filed a court order to authorize local poll workers to continue counting ballots that were received on time and had not been tallied by the end of Tuesday night.

In Franklin, poll workers Thursday evening were counting about 3,000 uncounted ballots — much more than the previously estimated 600 uncounted ballots, according to a spokeswoman for the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s Office



:lol: :lol:


These trash ass websites you're posting, just gonna put you on ignore and save time. Might as well go on twitter and follow some bots.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#892 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 6:55 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:This here is how Massachusetts handles their mail in voting. It wasn't fraud like in NJ it was just a cluster****

Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

But sure, let's do this for a national election.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/massachusetts-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-found-days-after-the-election/
A recount could be looming in the 4th Congressional District race between two Democrats as more uncounted ballots surfaced on Thursday.

Officials in Newton, Wellesley and Franklin on Thursday restarted counting primary ballots after Secretary of the Commonwealth William Galvin filed a court order to authorize local poll workers to continue counting ballots that were received on time and had not been tallied by the end of Tuesday night.

In Franklin, poll workers Thursday evening were counting about 3,000 uncounted ballots — much more than the previously estimated 600 uncounted ballots, according to a spokeswoman for the Secretary of the Commonwealth’s Office



:lol: :lol:


These trash ass websites you're posting, just gonna put you on ignore and save time. Might as well go on twitter and follow some bots.

That website is quoting the Boston Herald, but sure, it's trash. I mean, in your mind it is because you've never heard of it. But that's not a credibility issue with the website it's a lack of intellectual rigor on your part.

I'd respect it if you had picked apart the site itself with some examples of their lack of credibility. I'd be forced to respect what you said. But you didn't do that and we both know why. You got nuthin. It's a great website, you just don't know about it but that doesn't mean anything at all.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#893 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Sep 6, 2020 7:16 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:This here is how Massachusetts handles their mail in voting. It wasn't fraud like in NJ it was just a cluster****

Massachusetts: Thousands of Mail-in Ballots Found Days After the Election

But sure, let's do this for a national election.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/09/massachusetts-thousands-of-mail-in-ballots-found-days-after-the-election/



:lol: :lol:


These trash ass websites you're posting, just gonna put you on ignore and save time. Might as well go on twitter and follow some bots.

That website is quoting the Boston Herald, but sure, it's trash. I mean, in your mind it is because you've never heard of it. But that's not a credibility issue with the website it's a lack of intellectual rigor on your part.

I'd respect it if you had picked apart the site itself with some examples of their lack of credibility. I'd be forced to respect what you said. But you didn't do that and we both know why. You got nuthin. It's a great website, you just don't know about it but that doesn't mean anything at all.



There’s been some problems in other states worse than Massachusetts, which according to this NY Times article, didn’t do a bad job. Will it take longer to count all of the ballots this year, sure. But there’s no reason why this can’t be done without “fraud.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/massachusetts-election-voting.html
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Post#894 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 7:24 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

:lol: :lol:


These trash ass websites you're posting, just gonna put you on ignore and save time. Might as well go on twitter and follow some bots.

That website is quoting the Boston Herald, but sure, it's trash. I mean, in your mind it is because you've never heard of it. But that's not a credibility issue with the website it's a lack of intellectual rigor on your part.

I'd respect it if you had picked apart the site itself with some examples of their lack of credibility. I'd be forced to respect what you said. But you didn't do that and we both know why. You got nuthin. It's a great website, you just don't know about it but that doesn't mean anything at all.



There’s been some problems in other states worse than Massachusetts, which according to this NY Times article, didn’t do a bad job. Will it take longer to count all of the ballots this year, sure. But there’s no reason why this can’t be done without “fraud.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/massachusetts-election-voting.html


That's true. I'm more concerned with the delay factor from a huge increase in declaring a winner and the breakdown in trust should there be a massive reversal. Which is entirely possible I've read that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to vote by mail.

Of course in the most important way, so what. That's the way the system is being set up, this time. But maybe we need to figure out a better way. Some states allow ballots to be postmarked the day of the general election.
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Post#895 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Sep 6, 2020 7:43 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:That website is quoting the Boston Herald, but sure, it's trash. I mean, in your mind it is because you've never heard of it. But that's not a credibility issue with the website it's a lack of intellectual rigor on your part.

I'd respect it if you had picked apart the site itself with some examples of their lack of credibility. I'd be forced to respect what you said. But you didn't do that and we both know why. You got nuthin. It's a great website, you just don't know about it but that doesn't mean anything at all.



There’s been some problems in other states worse than Massachusetts, which according to this NY Times article, didn’t do a bad job. Will it take longer to count all of the ballots this year, sure. But there’s no reason why this can’t be done without “fraud.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/massachusetts-election-voting.html


That's true. I'm more concerned with the delay factor from a huge increase in declaring a winner and the breakdown in trust should there be a massive reversal. Which is entirely possible I've read that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to vote by mail.

Of course in the most important way, so what. That's the way the system is being set up, this time. But maybe we need to figure out a better way. Some states allow ballots to be postmarked the day of the general election.



It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.
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Post#896 » by Capn'O » Sun Sep 6, 2020 7:56 pm

They're not new rules and you can say that the information in the post is BS.

That post is full of lies - OK
You have made many posts full of lies - OK

You sit on a throne of lies - Borderline but I wouldn't strike it due to the fantastic reference.

You are a liar - Personal Attack

It's not that hard.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#897 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Sep 6, 2020 8:18 pm

Capn'O wrote:They're not new rules and you can say that the information in the post is BS.

That post is full of lies - OK
You have made many posts full of lies - OK

You sit on a throne of lies - Borderline but I wouldn't strike it due to the fantastic reference.

You are a liar - Personal Attack

It's not that hard.



Donald Trump has over 20,000 documented lies. He's a liar. So it's OK to say that, but when a person does it here it isn't. 10-4
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Post#898 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Sep 6, 2020 9:59 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Well there goes another anti Biden talking point.

Read on Twitter


Wow!

Thank you Anita, that's real courage on display. She's amazing to do this. Big respect.

This clearly couldn't have happened if Joe had not reached out to her to make amends.


I wouldn’t gloat. She’s voting for the 1/2 shyt sandwich. She’s voting against Trump like most of us.
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Post#899 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Sep 6, 2020 10:02 pm

Here’s the unadulterated truth about where we are as a country. Journalist and author Chris Hedges with some truth bombs.

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Post#900 » by BallSacBounce » Sun Sep 6, 2020 10:12 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:

There’s been some problems in other states worse than Massachusetts, which according to this NY Times article, didn’t do a bad job. Will it take longer to count all of the ballots this year, sure. But there’s no reason why this can’t be done without “fraud.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/massachusetts-election-voting.html


That's true. I'm more concerned with the delay factor from a huge increase in declaring a winner and the breakdown in trust should there be a massive reversal. Which is entirely possible I've read that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to vote by mail.

Of course in the most important way, so what. That's the way the system is being set up, this time. But maybe we need to figure out a better way. Some states allow ballots to be postmarked the day of the general election.



It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

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