College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

I didn't want to say it.

I heard someone call Smith KD. where? don't get me wrong, I like the kid but passing on a guy who looks legit generational, regardless of his frame is nuts.

What exactly is generational about him? The shotblocking is nice, but at the end of the day bigs have to be able to guard on switches, and there's no telling whether he can actually do that or not. Also, because of his frame he's going to have to play PF for the foreseeable future, and if he can't defend in space at a position where you absolutely will need to be able to guard perimeter guys, yikes.

It's much easier to see how Jabari fits into the current NBA, especially with some of his shot creation skills.

[Marty McFly]

Jabari over Chet seems like a Knicks kind of pick.

I didn't want to say it.

I heard someone call Smith KD. where? don't get me wrong, I like the kid but passing on a guy who looks legit generational, regardless of his frame is nuts.

What exactly is generational about him? The shotblocking is nice, but at the end of the day bigs have to be able to guard on switches, and there's no telling whether he can actually do that or not. Also, because of his frame he's going to have to play PF for the foreseeable future, and if he can't defend in space at a position where you absolutely will need to be able to guard perimeter guys, yikes.

It's much easier to see how Jabari fits into the current NBA, especially with some of his shot creation skills.

Thinking about fitting into the current NBA all the while having the possibility of drafting someone who could change the game isn't forward thinking enough. he's a big who blocks shots, rebounds, can put the ball on the floor and shoots better from anywhere on the floor, better than anyone else in the draft. His shooting splits are 60/40/75; his TS% is .702. that doesn't sound generational to you?

[-YogiBiz-]

I didn't want to say it.

I heard someone call Smith KD. where? don't get me wrong, I like the kid but passing on a guy who looks legit generational, regardless of his frame is nuts.

What exactly is generational about him? The shotblocking is nice, but at the end of the day bigs have to be able to guard on switches, and there's no telling whether he can actually do that or not. Also, because of his frame he's going to have to play PF for the foreseeable future, and if he can't defend in space at a position where you absolutely will need to be able to guard perimeter guys, yikes.

It's much easier to see how Jabari fits into the current NBA, especially with some of his shot creation skills.

Thinking about fitting into the current NBA all the while having the possibility of drafting someone who could change the game isn't forward thinking enough. he's a big who blocks shots, rebounds, can put the ball on the floor and shoots better from anywhere on the floor, better than anyone else in the draft. His shooting splits are 60/40/75; his TS% is .702. that doesn't sound generational to you?

Chet is a beast. I think Jabari will better sooner, but both are going to be really good. I don’t think you could go wrong with either, but I don’t see generational talent in either of them.

For all the hype Chet gets for his ball handling. Smith is better handler (not a better passer, but better at getting to his spots while defenders contest his dribbles), better scorer off the dribble, he’s a better shooter from range (Smith shoots over 2 more attempts per game and has a higher percentage and that’s including a lot of self created 3s) & the free throw line (he goes their more often) and might be better grabbing rebounds early on too. While being a better athlete than Chet. The only thing Chet does better is score more efficiently around the basket.

I like Chet a lot but discrediting the guy who is going to rightly (imo) go ahead of him is the wrong way to build up his case.

[El Poochio]

There aren't many comps like Chet, but I don't see that as a bad thing....There werent many comparisons for Giannis or KD either. Dirk was pretty tall and lanky

Jabari can shoot and has skill for sure. Looks really good. Would still be thrilled if the Knicks get him.

Rolling with Chet #1 though

Chet has an easy comp though

Spoiler:

Nah. He’s closer in comp to Porzingis than KD. KD in college didn’t play like a versatile big he played like a really tall guard with elite ball handling and footwork to create space and get around defenders. Chet is a versatile big and that’s where there is a big difference.

Ok Mobley then

He aint no Softzingis thats for sure

[TerrenceClarke]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Give me the best guy long term whoever that may be. If I have to wait 2 years thats fine with me. Knicks tried drafting who they thought was most ready in Obi and that blew up on them.

Overall, a lot of rookies may struggle right out of the gate anyway. Chet's more skilled then Poku too.

[thebuzzardman]

What's the over/under on future stars/very good players the Knicks pass on to draft some turd represented by Leon's son?

I'm going with 3+

[3toheadmelo]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Chet is nice but Jabari’s shot making ability is on another level

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[-YogiBiz-]

Hey basketball gods. Another Knicks’ fan here. We don’t deserve it. But. But, there is like a really small chance we can win the lottery. Like minuscule. Super Small. Not the smallest. But close. Again. I know you all hate us. We are sorry. But could we please win the lottery this year. Amen.

As sacrifice I offer Julius Randle former second team All-NBA player and Mitchel Robinson former second round pick but is obviously our best player with how people talk about him. You guys can’t have RJ but IQ is also up for sacrificing if you so deem fit. I can also unwillingly offer the Baguette Reaper.

[TerrenceClarke]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Give me the best guy long term whoever that may be. If I have to wait 2 years thats fine with me. Knicks tried drafting who they thought was most ready in Obi and that blew up on them.

Overall, a lot of rookies may struggle right out of the gate anyway. Chet's more skilled then Poku too.

Skill means nothing in my comparison. Skill means nothing in the NBA when you can be pushed away with a Pinky. In that regard they are the same. Also what proof is he going to be the best guy Long Term? You would have to factor in Health into that equation.
This is what I mean is that people are speculating so heavily here.

Zion was seen as the best the player long term as well which is why he went no1, and now look at him. Chet is Zion to me. People want to glance over body types and be enamroed with the Skill, but then the Body type starts showing it cant really handle this. Chet would be lucky to not even be injured early one. Zion was pretty healthy untill he came to the NBA now he can hardly stay on the court.

This is almost like Zion and Ja all over again. Ja was seen as the afterthought to Zion, And we seen how this story has turned out.

[TerrenceClarke]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Chet is nice but Jabari’s shot making ability is on another level

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Looks almost like a Taller Tatum many times with better defense and athletic ability.

To be 18 and this skilled and versatile is such a good baseline for him coming into the league. Kinda Scary to be honest.

[Richard4444]

If we keep the pick, it will be tough to find room for the FRP rookie in the rotation. Especially if he is not a PG or a Center (Only TyTy and Duren could be viable lottery targets that can play 1 or 5 from day1). We would have to trade some guys to make room. But everybody will know we are desperate to trade some players and will lowball us. Our Front Office hates to trade players below their value. So it can be hard to dump players.

Guys that must have a rotation spot at the 1-4 positions:
New PG/Rose
Fournier/IQ/Grimes
RJ/Burks/Cam
Randle/Obi

Adding our new FRP rookie (most likely a wing or a PF), there will be at least 11 players competing for a max of 8 rotations spots (pos 1-4). Currently, we are playing 6,5 players at 1-4 (5 players in the 1-3 spot, Randle, and a 10 minute player at the 4). Make it 12 if you add Deuce (most likely he would be Rose's rest/injury replacement).

Center rotation might continue to be a mess: Mitch(or replacement) and the scrub(s) of the night (Taj/Noel/Sims/New player).

[DOT]

I might be leaning Jabari over Chet

Yeah, the whole "7 footer who's super fluid, can handle the ball, blocks shots, and is a lethal 3pt shooter" is great and all, but the difference for me is, can this dude be a #1 scorer?

I can see it more with Jabari than with Chet. I'm not too sure how much of Chet's shot creation is gonna translate to the league, but Jabari looks like he'll translate great

So I think you can argue higher ceiling for Chet, but Jabari's much more likely to reach that ceiling.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Give me the best guy long term whoever that may be. If I have to wait 2 years thats fine with me. Knicks tried drafting who they thought was most ready in Obi and that blew up on them.

Overall, a lot of rookies may struggle right out of the gate anyway. Chet's more skilled then Poku too.

Skill means nothing in my comparison. Skill means nothing in the NBA when you can be pushed away with a Pinky. In that regard they are the same. Also what proof is he going to be the best guy Long Term? You would have to factor in Health into that equation.
This is what I mean is that people are speculating so heavily here.

Zion was seen as the best the player long term as well which is why he went no1, and now look at him. Chet is Zion to me. People want to glance over body types and be enamroed with the Skill, but then the Body type starts showing it cant really handle this. Chet would be lucky to not even be injured early one. Zion was pretty healthy untill he came to the NBA now he can hardly stay on the court.

This is almost like Zion and Ja all over again. Ja was seen as the afterthought to Zion, And we seen how this story has turned out.

Its all opinion same as you. There's no 100% proof that Chet wont be able to handle the NBA either. I mean are we passing on Shaq, Barkley, KG, Giannis, KD, Camby, Dirk, etc too? All those dudes were pushed around or had some body types that may have some red flags. Zion may still pan out long term and become one of the best players in the league so i wouldnt close the book on him yet. Some players pan out, some don't. There's no 100% proof Jabari will pan out to be a superstar either and everyone in this draft comes with some risk.

Its a close call in this draft. I wouldnt be surprised if Jabari or Ivey are the best players in this one either. In my option i have Chet #1.

To me if a guy can play, he can play. Chet can play. There are def other factors you need to consider including injury risk. In Chet's case i am not too concerned, in my opinion.

[3toheadmelo]

Chet is going to be like Poku when he come to the NBA The strength of players is going to be way to overwhelming for a long time. Bringing up TS of a big man in college is laugable to me.

Holmgren I don’t care how talented people think he is. Dude is going to struggle with NBA strength and speed heavily. Holmgren even tho his talent level is very high is a project his first couple of years. Very rarely, so called number one players should ever be labeled a "project" but he damn sure is to me.

It’s cool to like Holmgren, I get the appeal, but people acting like Jabari Smith should be an after thought compared to him, and passing him up to pick Jabari is this huge mistake.... is crazy

Knick fans stay Knicking.

Chet is nice but Jabari’s shot making ability is on another level

Read on Twitter

Looks almost like a Taller Tatum many times with better defense and athletic ability.

To be 18 and this skilled and versatile is such a good baseline for him coming into the league. Kinda Scary to be honest.

yeah I see shades of Tatum in him too. his handle is worse than his but the fact that he’s taller allows him to get any shot off even with just a one dribble pull up that’s highly contested or even just facing up and shooting over everyone. it’s pretty insane to watch him score at ease at 6’11. if that handle gets better and he gets stronger

[TerrenceClarke]

Give me the best guy long term whoever that may be. If I have to wait 2 years thats fine with me. Knicks tried drafting who they thought was most ready in Obi and that blew up on them.

Overall, a lot of rookies may struggle right out of the gate anyway. Chet's more skilled then Poku too.

Skill means nothing in my comparison. Skill means nothing in the NBA when you can be pushed away with a Pinky. In that regard they are the same. Also what proof is he going to be the best guy Long Term? You would have to factor in Health into that equation.
This is what I mean is that people are speculating so heavily here.

Zion was seen as the best the player long term as well which is why he went no1, and now look at him. Chet is Zion to me. People want to glance over body types and be enamroed with the Skill, but then the Body type starts showing it cant really handle this. Chet would be lucky to not even be injured early one. Zion was pretty healthy untill he came to the NBA now he can hardly stay on the court.

This is almost like Zion and Ja all over again. Ja was seen as the afterthought to Zion, And we seen how this story has turned out.

Its all opinion same as you. There's no 100% proof that Chet wont be able to handle the NBA either. I mean are we passing on Shaq, Barkley, KG, Giannis, KD, Camby, Dirk, etc too? All those dudes were pushed around or had some body types that may have some red flags. Zion may still pan out long term and become one of the best players in the league so i wouldnt close the book on him yet. Some players pan out, some don't. There's no 100% proof Jabari will pan out to be a superstar either and everyone in this draft comes with some risk.

Its a close call in this draft. I wouldnt be surprised if Jabari or Ivey are the best players in this one either. In my option i have Chet #1.

To me if a guy can play, he can play. Chet can play. There are def other factors you need to consider including injury risk. In Chet's case i am not too concerned, in my opinion.

Again. Your comparing Chet to black players. Like i said before the history of white lanky mobile bigmen is not good lasting with out constant injuries. All you can basically point to is Dirk and even then he wasnt that Mobile as say a KP or a Gallo etc to be very fair. Nor was the game as fast paced.

And no your opinon is not the same as mines. You the one saying the Knicks picking Jabari Smith of all players is a such a Knick Move, which is basically downplaying Smith a HUGE amount .

[Deeeez Knicks]

Skill means nothing in my comparison. Skill means nothing in the NBA when you can be pushed away with a Pinky. In that regard they are the same. Also what proof is he going to be the best guy Long Term? You would have to factor in Health into that equation.
This is what I mean is that people are speculating so heavily here.

Zion was seen as the best the player long term as well which is why he went no1, and now look at him. Chet is Zion to me. People want to glance over body types and be enamroed with the Skill, but then the Body type starts showing it cant really handle this. Chet would be lucky to not even be injured early one. Zion was pretty healthy untill he came to the NBA now he can hardly stay on the court.

This is almost like Zion and Ja all over again. Ja was seen as the afterthought to Zion, And we seen how this story has turned out.

Its all opinion same as you. There's no 100% proof that Chet wont be able to handle the NBA either. I mean are we passing on Shaq, Barkley, KG, Giannis, KD, Camby, Dirk, etc too? All those dudes were pushed around or had some body types that may have some red flags. Zion may still pan out long term and become one of the best players in the league so i wouldnt close the book on him yet. Some players pan out, some don't. There's no 100% proof Jabari will pan out to be a superstar either and everyone in this draft comes with some risk.

Its a close call in this draft. I wouldnt be surprised if Jabari or Ivey are the best players in this one either. In my option i have Chet #1.

To me if a guy can play, he can play. Chet can play. There are def other factors you need to consider including injury risk. In Chet's case i am not too concerned, in my opinion.

Again. Your comparing Chet to black players. Like i said before the history of white lanky mobile bigmen is not good lasting with out constant injuries. All you can basically point to is Dirk and even then he wasnt that Mobile as say a KP or a Gallo etc to be very fair. Nor was the game as fast paced.

And no your opinon is not the same as mines. You the one saying the Knicks picking Jabari Smith of all players is a such a Knick Move, which is basically downplaying Smith a HUGE amount .

It was a joke man cause we are always drafting PFs. Jabari is a top player in this draft, and said i would be really happy to draft him. Just dont have him at #1 overall.

Race doesnt have anything to do with this and I dont know why you keep bringing that up. There was no players in the league like Luka or Jokic either when they were picked. Who cares? They are great players. Just because we haven't seen a white guy like Chet doesn't mean that's bad. He's a unique player.

[TerrenceClarke]

Its all opinion same as you. There's no 100% proof that Chet wont be able to handle the NBA either. I mean are we passing on Shaq, Barkley, KG, Giannis, KD, Camby, Dirk, etc too? All those dudes were pushed around or had some body types that may have some red flags. Zion may still pan out long term and become one of the best players in the league so i wouldnt close the book on him yet. Some players pan out, some don't. There's no 100% proof Jabari will pan out to be a superstar either and everyone in this draft comes with some risk.

Its a close call in this draft. I wouldnt be surprised if Jabari or Ivey are the best players in this one either. In my option i have Chet #1.

To me if a guy can play, he can play. Chet can play. There are def other factors you need to consider including injury risk. In Chet's case i am not too concerned, in my opinion.

Again. Your comparing Chet to black players. Like i said before the history of white lanky mobile bigmen is not good lasting with out constant injuries. All you can basically point to is Dirk and even then he wasnt that Mobile as say a KP or a Gallo etc to be very fair. Nor was the game as fast paced.

And no your opinon is not the same as mines. You the one saying the Knicks picking Jabari Smith of all players is a such a Knick Move, which is basically downplaying Smith a HUGE amount .

It was a joke man cause we are always drafting PFs. Jabari is a top player in this draft, and said i would be really happy to draft him. Just dont have him at #1 overall.

Race doesnt have anything to do with this and I dont know why you keep bringing that up. There was no players in the league like Luka or Jokic either when they were picked. Who cares? They are great players. Just because we haven't seen a white guy like Chet doesn't mean that's bad. He's a unique player.

I brought race and body type,Position, plus mobility because we have EVIDENCE of it...Not race alone . So that comparison is bad with Luka and Joker.But lets move off that.

So its a joke for Jabari who is a PF...but Not a Joke for Chet cause Chet is not a PF? you think he a center in the NBA? ....stop it my dude you sound hypocritical now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Again. Your comparing Chet to black players. Like i said before the history of white lanky mobile bigmen is not good lasting with out constant injuries. All you can basically point to is Dirk and even then he wasnt that Mobile as say a KP or a Gallo etc to be very fair. Nor was the game as fast paced.

And no your opinon is not the same as mines. You the one saying the Knicks picking Jabari Smith of all players is a such a Knick Move, which is basically downplaying Smith a HUGE amount .

It was a joke man cause we are always drafting PFs. Jabari is a top player in this draft, and said i would be really happy to draft him. Just dont have him at #1 overall.

Race doesnt have anything to do with this and I dont know why you keep bringing that up. There was no players in the league like Luka or Jokic either when they were picked. Who cares? They are great players. Just because we haven't seen a white guy like Chet doesn't mean that's bad. He's a unique player.

I brought race and body type, plus mobility because we have EVIDENCE of it...Not race alone . So that comparison is bad. So its a joke for Jabari who is a PF...but Not a Joke for Chet cause Chet is not a PF? you think he a center in the NBA? ....stop it my dude you sound hypocritical now.

Chet should play PF now, but long term he's a C. Jabari looks pretty much like a PF.

Chet's a 7' mobile big that's athletic, skilled, coordinated....and white. You are making it sound like this is evidence that he will be bad just cause we havent seen many dudes like this. These are all positives. There's just not many examples. Your EVIDENCE is circumstantial at best

[TerrenceClarke]

It was a joke man cause we are always drafting PFs. Jabari is a top player in this draft, and said i would be really happy to draft him. Just dont have him at #1 overall.

Race doesnt have anything to do with this and I dont know why you keep bringing that up. There was no players in the league like Luka or Jokic either when they were picked. Who cares? They are great players. Just because we haven't seen a white guy like Chet doesn't mean that's bad. He's a unique player.

I brought race and body type, plus mobility because we have EVIDENCE of it...Not race alone . So that comparison is bad. So its a joke for Jabari who is a PF...but Not a Joke for Chet cause Chet is not a PF? you think he a center in the NBA? ....stop it my dude you sound hypocritical now.

Chet should play PF now, but long term he's a C. Jabari looks pretty much like a PF.

Chet's a 7' mobile big that's athletic, skilled, coordinated....and white. You are making it sound like this is evidence that he will be bad just cause we havent seen many dudes like this. These are all positives. There's just not many examples. Your EVIDENCE is circumstantial at best

Hey Man, its still EVIDENCE tho. People get found guilty on circumstantial evidence all the time. IJS