Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[G_K_F]

Just for the record it’s a fake account so relax.

[FrozenEnvelope]

My rule of thumb - Never trade unprotected first round picks unless it's for a franchise level player (ie. Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Luka). I love Spidermitch but he's a tier below.

[thebuzzardman]

In the grand scheme I’m not sure how any rational fan of the NBA thinks Brunson-Mitchell-Randle is better than any of the Jazz rosters the previous years.

I'd take being the same and those annoying 50 win+ seasons.

Listen, I have no idea if Mitchell is leaving, though I'd think he'd want to leave a team that is about to embark on a rebuild.

I know Hezi has said "They are in a good place! They got picks and that guy drafted #22!", but really?
While I guess they could use the picks to get a player, has that been Ainge's MO in a rebuild?
Mitchell has to be aware of that.

Also, Mitchell may want out to get to a team that at least contends, if not an immediate chip contender, vs a rebuilding team.
And maybe location has something to do with that.

Do I think that makes the Knicks strong favorites? No.
I'd think stronger than the Nets.

Then I see these 9 way trades where Mitchell winds up on the Nets. Without trading Durant. Really?
It's one thing to be able to dump crazy Kyrie for becoming worthless Westbrook, but suddenly there are enough picks among BK and the Lakers to satisfy Ainge? Really?

Anyway, he probably goes to Miami, but Knicks have a chance. It'll cost though.

They would not be the same. They would be infinitely worse.

Yes. Knicks suck. Are the worst. etc.

[TrueWarrior]

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Wesley Hughes folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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/GreenArrow

Depends what the picks would be, but fake account or not that would be the type of offer we should at least listen to.

Randle &/or Fournier along with IQ, Grimes, and picks seems about right. Would like to keep Grimes but he cant be a deal breaker if we get to keep RJ and Obi. Mitchell would eat up a lot of SG minutes anyway.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Just for the record it’s a fake account so relax.

They are all fake except for Woj, Shams, Stein and a few others (very few).

[thebuzzardman]

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Wesley Hughes folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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/GreenArrow

Depends what the picks would be, but fake account or not that would be the type of offer we should at least listen to.

Randle &/or Fournier along with IQ, Grimes, and picks seems about right. Would like to keep Grimes but he cant be a deal breaker if we get to keep RJ and Obi. Mitchell would eat up a lot of SG minutes anyway.

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[G_K_F]

I'd take being the same and those annoying 50 win+ seasons.

Listen, I have no idea if Mitchell is leaving, though I'd think he'd want to leave a team that is about to embark on a rebuild.

I know Hezi has said "They are in a good place! They got picks and that guy drafted #22!", but really?
While I guess they could use the picks to get a player, has that been Ainge's MO in a rebuild?
Mitchell has to be aware of that.

Also, Mitchell may want out to get to a team that at least contends, if not an immediate chip contender, vs a rebuilding team.
And maybe location has something to do with that.

Do I think that makes the Knicks strong favorites? No.
I'd think stronger than the Nets.

Then I see these 9 way trades where Mitchell winds up on the Nets. Without trading Durant. Really?
It's one thing to be able to dump crazy Kyrie for becoming worthless Westbrook, but suddenly there are enough picks among BK and the Lakers to satisfy Ainge? Really?

Anyway, he probably goes to Miami, but Knicks have a chance. It'll cost though.

They would not be the same. They would be infinitely worse.

Yes. Knicks suck. Are the worst. etc.

I’m sorry, man, but your takes will age horrible. As Will anything positive related towards the Knicks. This isn’t a team to be hopeful about.

The reality of the situation is that Brunson/Mitchell/Randle are never winning 50 games unless like 5 others teams in the East are injured. The East is deeper than the West and that roster post-Mitchell trade is not stronger than many Eastern Conference rosters. But if you’re willing to sacrifice anything to be first round fodder then God bless you.

[KnixinSix]

If Ainge wants to tank he wont want back all that established talent. Randle, Fournier AND IQ ....no way...maybe Fournier and IQ....

[thebuzzardman]

They would not be the same. They would be infinitely worse.

Yes. Knicks suck. Are the worst. etc.

I’m sorry, man, but your takes will age horrible. As Will anything positive related towards the Knicks. This isn’t a team to be hopeful about.

The reality of the situation is that Brunson/Mitchell/Randle are never winning 50 games unless like 5 others teams in the East are injured. The East is deeper than the West and that roster post-Mitchell trade is not stronger than many Eastern Conference rosters. But if you’re willing to sacrifice anything to be first round fodder then God bless you.

Why not?
It's not as if the Knicks will use the picks or use them well.

[thebuzzardman]

If Ainge wants to tank he wont want back all that established talent. Randle, Fournier AND IQ ....no way...maybe Fournier and IQ....

Fournier/Rose/and 1 young guy

Fournier for the whiteness
Rose to be traded at the deadline
Fournier & Rose to match the salary (didn't check any capped out etc implications)
1 young player to help field the losing team, sell the rebuild hope
Picks the main objective

[G_K_F]

Yes. Knicks suck. Are the worst. etc.

I’m sorry, man, but your takes will age horrible. As Will anything positive related towards the Knicks. This isn’t a team to be hopeful about.

The reality of the situation is that Brunson/Mitchell/Randle are never winning 50 games unless like 5 others teams in the East are injured. The East is deeper than the West and that roster post-Mitchell trade is not stronger than many Eastern Conference rosters. But if you’re willing to sacrifice anything to be first round fodder then God bless you.

Why not?
It's not as if the Knicks will use the picks or use them well.

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

[Snacks]

Knicks need to trade Randle for Hayward asap. Hayward will hurt his p$%sy and then we'll have our squad.
Reach out out to Bridges. If he's guilty he'll serve time. If he gets off, unlike the hornets, we would've treated him as if he were innocent until proven guilty.

[The Lamma]

How do we know Mitchell doesn't want to be moved? So far there's no public noise, but there might be private noise.

Potentially but usually public noise is really the leverage play. If it's private then Utah can operate with all the leverage.

That's where you have WWW work the back channel and get Mitch to start making demands.

Ah, whatever. We know that guy is useless.

What has he brought to the table?
Brunson? That's Leon, his son and daughter, plus Jalen's dad. WWW probably just got on a few zoom calls with his shirt off.

Hartenstein? Yeah, ok. lolz.
Getting Mitch to accept 15 million per? Nah.
Trading 3 expiring guys and a 1st rounder and 4 2nds for cap space/3 future 1sts and a 2nd rounder? That was Aller with Perry schmoozing old Detroit buddies.

WWW? Nothing.

[Chanel Bomber]

My proposed team:

Brunson/Mitchell
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi
Meetch/Hartenstein

Is that team really going anywhere though?
4th seed?
It's like expensive shorter Hawks.

At best. It’s not a competitive team. Would go for stretches without reliable scoring throughout many games, especially in 4th quarters, lacks defensive tenacity and physicality as well as knock down shooting. Also I don’t think it’s outstandingly talented. Every team has some good players.

This team would be very streaky and volatile.

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

[thebuzzardman]

I’m sorry, man, but your takes will age horrible. As Will anything positive related towards the Knicks. This isn’t a team to be hopeful about.

The reality of the situation is that Brunson/Mitchell/Randle are never winning 50 games unless like 5 others teams in the East are injured. The East is deeper than the West and that roster post-Mitchell trade is not stronger than many Eastern Conference rosters. But if you’re willing to sacrifice anything to be first round fodder then God bless you.

Why not?
It's not as if the Knicks will use the picks or use them well.

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

[FrozenEnvelope]

If Ainge wants to tank he wont want back all that established talent. Randle, Fournier AND IQ ....no way...maybe Fournier and IQ....

Agreed. If I'm Ainge I'm asking for Obi, IQ, Grimes, Reddish and 3 or 4 of the '23 draft picks we have as well as unprotected picks in '23, '25 and '27.

Maybe Utah would like Fournier since he kind of looks white too (half joking).

[thebuzzardman]

My proposed team:

Brunson/Mitchell
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi
Meetch/Hartenstein

Is that team really going anywhere though?
4th seed?
It's like expensive shorter Hawks.

At best. It’s not a competitive team. Would go for stretches without reliable scoring throughout many games, especially in 4th quarters, lacks defensive tenacity and physicality as well as knock down shooting. Also I don’t think it’s outstandingly talented. Every team has some good players.

This team would be very streaky and volatile.

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

Just another "RJ sucks" post

[thebuzzardman]

Awful lot of posts about building a championship contending team that's a model of efficiency and defense, when the Knicks have shown zero interest in that kind of team for 20 years.

Just entertain me.

[G_K_F]

Why not?
It's not as if the Knicks will use the picks or use them well.

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

I’d rather have the faint hope of a miracle of a better GM than re-creating the Melo era. There’s nothing memorable or fun about what you’re describing. The end game is to win a title. It will never happen under Dolan in any scenario - but my scenario has a better chance of us lucking in to something rather than building another mediocre roster that goes nowhere.

[thebuzzardman]

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

I’d rather have the faint hope of a miracle of a better GM than re-creating the Melo era. There’s nothing memorable or fun about what you’re describing. The end game is to win a title. It will never happen under Dolan in any scenario - but my scenario has a better chance of us kicking in to something rather than building another mediocre roster that goes nowhere.

Title. Lolz. Knicks have a longer title drought than the legendary Ranger's one.