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Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

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Who do you go with?

Towns
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43%
Okafur
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36%
Mudiay
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8%
Russel
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13%
 
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Post#901 » by kingquan316 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 3:55 am

captvict wrote:Trade the pick to Chicago if we go 2 or 3...They will be in need of a point guard (Mudiay/Russell) with a breaking down Rose...Re-open the Melo scenario with them giving us Snell-Mirotic-McDermott-Taj Gibson and Pick...along with them not matching our offer for Butler at the max..and we unload Jose on them...

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I would never do that trade. Trading essentially Towns for Butler. I don't buy Butler being a go to guy in this league, Towns has the potential to be one. I'll take the risk for Towns, even if he's young.

But if Knicks lose out on both of them with the number 3 or 4 pick, then I'll think about it, but even then I rather take my chance with Russell or Mudiay and go into free agency.
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Post#902 » by kingquan316 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:13 am

I changed my vote to Towns, he can be a top 3 big in the league based on what everyone has said with his potential. Not sure Okafor can reach that with is average defense.

1. Towns
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Post#903 » by RHODEY » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:36 am

It looks like Towns is gaining on Okafur. I'm anxious to see what happens after the tournament.
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Post#904 » by F N 11 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:49 am

http://youtu.be/vJK_B7DEI7M

Nuff said, Towns is a good all around studen athlete and person. He starts crying talking about his parents and shows respect to everyone. Knicks need a guy like him!!
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Post#905 » by MeloTime » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:52 am

Need all around players

Towns in the guy

Okafor is a low post scorer we need passing defense and rebounds which towns provides as his scoring will develop.

You draft towns you can sign a scoring FA like Monroe

You draft Okafor you need a defensive beast like Ibaka , KG ...etc next to him or even start him at PF and sign someone like robin Lopez ....hibbert etc


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Post#906 » by Rock Bottom » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:54 am

we HAVE to get Towns , but either of 4 sure isn't looking bad..
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Post#907 » by Bob Ross » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:13 am

My pick is Okafor, but I like Towns as well.

The draft gives me anxiety. We always find a way to f*ck it up, especially with big men. I can see us drafting Towns and it being Jordan Hill all over again. Not because I see them as similar players, but because that's how it goes for us.

I'm fully expecting to get the shafts snd end up picking #4
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Post#908 » by kingquan316 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:30 am

Bob Ross wrote:My pick is Okafor, but I like Towns as well.

The draft gives me anxiety. We always find a way to f*ck it up, especially with big men. I can see us drafting Towns and it being Jordan Hill all over again. Not because I see them as similar players, but because that's how it goes for us.

I'm fully expecting to get the shafts snd end up picking #4


Jordan Hill was never a good pick. I saw that coming a mile away, and I don't think anybody on this board was excited when we picked him. If Towns becomes a bust, that will suck, but hey Knicks at least picked a player that everyone says had superstar potential.

Hill was always a marginal role player, and had limited potential. I wanted Derozan in that draft once Steph was gone, and when they picked Hill I knew it was a mistake. I like Walsh, but that was a terrible pick.
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Post#909 » by EchelonNYK » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:37 am

taker328 wrote:Suggest people take a look at the interview Mike Francesa had with John Calipari on March 4th here http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio/mike-francesa/

Towns is growing into something special and can impact the game in every way. Calipari talks about what Town could soon become, and it's scary good we could actually have a guy like this who can shoot, rebound, defend, pass, hit freethrows. I'm still torn b/w the two of Okafor or Towns, but I trust Phil will make the right call. His people have the better eyes and scouts, so they know what to look for to make the right choice.


The earlier Towns goes in the draft only benefits Calipari and his recruiting. I wouldn't read too much into what he has to say about one of his own players

And out of all those attributes you listed. Which one is he exceptionally good at? Because he can still end up just being a 8\8 guy in the League. Those are not the type of numbers i want from a top pick.
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Post#910 » by Bob Ross » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:45 am

kingquan316 wrote:
Bob Ross wrote:My pick is Okafor, but I like Towns as well.

The draft gives me anxiety. We always find a way to f*ck it up, especially with big men. I can see us drafting Towns and it being Jordan Hill all over again. Not because I see them as similar players, but because that's how it goes for us.

I'm fully expecting to get the shafts snd end up picking #4


Jordan Hill was never a good pick. I saw that coming a mile away, and I don't think anybody on this board was excited when we picked him. If Towns becomes a bust, that will suck, but hey Knicks at least picked a player that everyone says had superstar potential.

Hill was always a marginal role player, and had limited potential. I wanted Derozan in that draft once Steph was gone, and when they picked Hill I knew it was a mistake. I like Walsh, but that was a terrible pick.


Yeah I hated it. I hate thinking about it. Curry should've been ours. I hate Don Nelson, that prick. Hill was a bad pick. I thought they were taking him to flip him that same night. Terrible
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Post#911 » by EchelonNYK » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:49 am

At the end of day i just hope Phil Jackson doesn't let the media and outside factors dictate this selection. Make the pick that's going to impact the Knicks now and into the future.
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Post#912 » by kingquan316 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:52 am

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kingquan316 wrote:
Bob Ross wrote:My pick is Okafor, but I like Towns as well.

The draft gives me anxiety. We always find a way to f*ck it up, especially with big men. I can see us drafting Towns and it being Jordan Hill all over again. Not because I see them as similar players, but because that's how it goes for us.

I'm fully expecting to get the shafts snd end up picking #4


Jordan Hill was never a good pick. I saw that coming a mile away, and I don't think anybody on this board was excited when we picked him. If Towns becomes a bust, that will suck, but hey Knicks at least picked a player that everyone says had superstar potential.

Hill was always a marginal role player, and had limited potential. I wanted Derozan in that draft once Steph was gone, and when they picked Hill I knew it was a mistake. I like Walsh, but that was a terrible pick.


Yeah I hated it. I hate thinking about it. Curry should've been ours. I hate Don Nelson, that prick. Hill was a bad pick. I thought they were taking him to flip him that same night. Terrible


The main problem though wasn't that Nelson took him (f him though), it was Knicks winning meaningless games near the end of the season that made their draft position worst. This is the main reason why tanking is so important, position in the draft. At least they are learning, and have more or less embrace the tank this season. If Knicks pick Towns number 1, and he becomes a bust, I won't look back so harshly or depressed than I do the 2009 draft, cause at least they gambled on a superstar potential player, and put themselves in position to do it. I don't know wth they were thinking about Jordan HIll. :banghead:
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Post#913 » by Bob Ross » Mon Mar 9, 2015 6:59 am

Yeah that pissed me off. Always turning it around when it was already over. Always getting the 7th pick in a 6 player draft.

They can never just win or lose like a normal team.

I was kind of hoping for this once it was apparent we wouldn't contend for a decent playoff seed.

I saw the offseason as being:

Keep Melo and be mediocre this season or lose him and get a top pick. We have both now, which in a weird way is best case scenario for the season.
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Post#914 » by Juco24 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:17 pm

I can't believe I actually agree with Reggie Miller:

“I think with the triangle, you need great passing bigs,” said Miller, the longtime Knicks nemesis with the Indiana Pacers. “If you go back to Chicago with [Bill] Wennington and Bill Cartwright. If you go to Phil Jackson with Kobe and Shaq, Shaq was a great passing big. Having said that, to me Karl-Anthony Towns would be unbelievable because I think he’s an unbelievable passer at that high post, especially when you come up to that pinch-post area, you’ve gotta be able to see the floor. Plus, he can score down low. If you’re playing more of a traditional offense, Jahlil Okafor, not to say he can’t pass, but he’s not the passer that Karl-Anthony Towns is.”

Now I'm thinking.... Maybe we should take JO. :dontknow:
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Post#915 » by E-Balla » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:50 pm

MeloTime wrote:Need all around players

Towns in the guy

Okafor is a low post scorer we need passing defense and rebounds which towns provides as his scoring will develop.

You draft towns you can sign a scoring FA like Monroe

You draft Okafor you need a defensive beast like Ibaka , KG ...etc next to him or even start him at PF and sign someone like robin Lopez ....hibbert etc


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This is the most convincing argument I've ever heard for Okafor - Draft Okafor, it'll keep players like Greg Monroe off the team.
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Post#916 » by knicks94 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:01 pm

Let's hope and pray that whoever is selected first becomes a bust, because you and I know very well that the NBA is going to reward the Lakers with the number 1 pick no matter how terrible they finish their regular season.

The facts that Kobe is at the end of his career, the Lakers don't really have any up and coming stars on their roster, and the NBA seems to draw in great revenue when the Lakers are relevant indicates that Adam Silver and his top guys will do whatever it takes to fix the draft in the Lakers' favor.
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Post#917 » by E-Balla » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:06 pm

Juco24 wrote:I can't believe I actually agree with Reggie Miller:

“I think with the triangle, you need great passing bigs,” said Miller, the longtime Knicks nemesis with the Indiana Pacers. “If you go back to Chicago with [Bill] Wennington and Bill Cartwright. If you go to Phil Jackson with Kobe and Shaq, Shaq was a great passing big. Having said that, to me Karl-Anthony Towns would be unbelievable because I think he’s an unbelievable passer at that high post, especially when you come up to that pinch-post area, you’ve gotta be able to see the floor. Plus, he can score down low. If you’re playing more of a traditional offense, Jahlil Okafor, not to say he can’t pass, but he’s not the passer that Karl-Anthony Towns is.”

Now I'm thinking.... Maybe we should take JO. :dontknow:

I completely disagree. Jahlil plays out the low post so we should really only care about his ability to pass out the double (which he will actually get unlike Towns) and Jahlil makes the right play very often. His passing reminds me of Shaq actually. Shaq wasn't a great passer but he was smart enough to learn the triangle, read the doubles, and know the cuts. He also had the ability to control the ball extremely well and complete the passes. Shaq's assist numbers the two years before playing in the triangle: 2.4 and 2.3 assists a game. His assist numbers his first two years in the triangle: 3.8 and 3.7 assists a game. Jahlil holds the ball like a grapefruit (reminds me of Jordan and Dr. J) and can make some great passes (he's not the greatest yet - his accuracy on some of those bullet passes are off).

He's also so commonly doubled that he can make super fast reads out of them. Towns in the Triangle will play more of a Pau Gasol/Horace Grant role than a Bynum/Shaq role.

This video shows his passing ability well.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qkdsz3cs68[/youtube]

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taker328 wrote:Suggest people take a look at the interview Mike Francesa had with John Calipari on March 4th here http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio/mike-francesa/

Towns is growing into something special and can impact the game in every way. Calipari talks about what Town could soon become, and it's scary good we could actually have a guy like this who can shoot, rebound, defend, pass, hit freethrows. I'm still torn b/w the two of Okafor or Towns, but I trust Phil will make the right call. His people have the better eyes and scouts, so they know what to look for to make the right choice.


The earlier Towns goes in the draft only benefits Calipari and his recruiting. I wouldn't read too much into what he has to say about one of his own players

And out of all those attributes you listed. Which one is he exceptionally good at? Because he can still end up just being a 8\8 guy in the League. Those are not the type of numbers i want from a top pick.

Shooting, both from the field and freethrows, and protecting the rim. Those skills are up to an NBA standard already with Towns. Everything else is there and above par for an 18 year old but not NBA level.
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Post#918 » by NoLayupRule » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:10 pm

seems to me the biggest difference between our drafting strategy is looking at Towns and Okafor is time frame


Okafor I see starting at center on day 1 and us looking for supporting players like Milsap or someone who can rebound and defend at the 4 next to him and stretch the floor on offense

Towns seems to me like he's gonna take a little bit to develop and not always be in foul trouble. I see him coming off the bench at the 4/5 at first


If we draft with short term vision then Okafor is the obvious choice
If we draft with the best player in mind then Im not as sure
If we draft based on overall team concept then probably Towns is better as his rebounding and defense separate him
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Post#919 » by bballoctober » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:18 pm

captvict wrote:Trade the pick to Chicago if we go 2 or 3...They will be in need of a point guard (Mudiay/Russell) with a breaking down Rose...Re-open the Melo scenario with them giving us Snell-Mirotic-McDermott-Taj Gibson and Pick...along with them not matching our offer for Butler at the max..and we unload Jose on them...

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How the fuqq are we going to trade them Melo and still have him on our team ? Check your stuff !
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Post#920 » by F N 11 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:24 pm

For once in my life. Can I see something good happen for th eknicks. Can we please somehow make this pick a career knicks and Hall of Famer lol
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