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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#901 » by BKlutch » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:41 am

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BKlutch wrote:Trump said Clinton was "pumped up" during the debate, but seemed to loose steam and at the end, had to be helped by her car. He seems to be confusing two events: the debate, and the 9/11 ceremony, but yet Hillary is the one on drugs. Jeez.


No she was helped into her car after the 2nd debate.

Would you please show me a credible reference for that?
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#902 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:44 am

BKlutch wrote:Trump said Clinton was "pumped up" during the debate, but seemed to loose steam and at the end, had to be helped by her car. He seems to be confusing two events: the debate, and the 9/11 ceremony, but yet Hillary is the one on drugs. Jeez.


First, Trump said HRC didn't have the stamina for the job and pointed to her health. Then when he was asked at the Town Hall what positive qualities Clinton possessed, Trump said she "never stops fighting; keeps getting back up" etc. praising her toughness. Now he thinks she gets her stamina from drugs?

Which is it, for crying out loud? :crazy:
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#903 » by BKlutch » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:47 am

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BKlutch wrote:Trump said Clinton was "pumped up" during the debate, but seemed to loose steam and at the end, had to be helped by her car. He seems to be confusing two events: the debate, and the 9/11 ceremony, but yet Hillary is the one on drugs. Jeez.


First, Trump said HRC didn't have the stamina for the job and pointed to her health. Then when he was asked at the Town Hall what positive qualities Clinton possessed, Trump said she "never stops fighting; keeps getting back up" etc. praising her toughness. Now he thinks she gets her stamina from drugs?

Which is it, for crying out loud? :crazy:

He can't stand her because he doesn't want to kiss grandmother types. Plus, he can't out-talk her, and she makes him loose his cool. I think that he may be studying Alec Baldwin's impressions on SNL to prep for this debate.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#904 » by reub » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:56 am

BKlutch wrote:
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BKlutch wrote:Trump said Clinton was "pumped up" during the debate, but seemed to loose steam and at the end, had to be helped by her car. He seems to be confusing two events: the debate, and the 9/11 ceremony, but yet Hillary is the one on drugs. Jeez.


No she was helped into her car after the 2nd debate.

Would you please show me a credible reference for that?


I saw it on TV after the second debate. And it wasn't the 9/11 incident.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#905 » by BKlutch » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:58 am

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No she was helped into her car after the 2nd debate.

Would you please show me a credible reference for that?


I saw it on TV after the second debate. And it wasn't the 9/11 incident.

If you google it, all you get is an article on her being helped to the car on 9/11. When Trump made that statement, at least on reporter said he had conflated the two events. I'm concerned, because he also said the elections will be 11/28.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#906 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:03 am

Trump fomenting an armed insurrection after he gets wiped out in the election. Ridiculous and dangerous. He is awful.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#907 » by reub » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:03 am

TBH they took her behind the limo away from the cameras and Bill waited in front of the limo. He stood there for a while and then seemed to get the word that she was inside and he got in. I'm assuming that they were helping her because it took much longer than expected and they seemed to be hiding her away from the camera. It was definitely on one of the Fox networks shown after the debate.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#908 » by reub » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:05 am

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump fomenting an armed insurrection after he gets wiped out in the election. Ridiculous and dangerous. He is awful.


What is shameful is the press trying to force a President on the country instead of impartially reporting news in a balanced way. That is what goes on in Iran, Cuba and Russia.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#909 » by jmort » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:50 am

It's always good to stop and check your premises though. If you start to find yourself repeating garbage about Wikileaks being in league with the Russians (even, or especially, if it's true), then chill for a second. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. There Is Nothing To Fear. READ the Goldman-Sachs speeches, for example. It's just information. No one's Hidden Agendas matter a lick.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011

Maybe you'll feel some discomfort at the contrast between (relatively!) straightforward discussion of the nitty-gritty workings of governments and the hollow bloviation we're treated to on TV. But if the world made sense, this leak would murder Trump. From start to finish it all straight-up reeks of nothing but Complete and Utter Competence.

It's like... Magnus Carlsson is playing a simultaneous chess exhibition against a roomful of Indian teenagers and Donald Trump gets up telling him to step aside and let me Make America Great Again. Or Mandingo is taking care of the monthly meeting of the Roanoke Sewing and Crafts Club and Donald Trump comes in telling him to sit his ass down and let me Make America Great Again...

What a joke. And here I was about to vote for Jill Stein.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#910 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:10 am

jmort wrote:It's always good to stop and check your premises though. If you start to find yourself repeating garbage about Wikileaks being in league with the Russians (even, or especially, if it's true), then chill for a second. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. There Is Nothing To Fear. READ the Goldman-Sachs speeches, for example. It's just information. No one's Hidden Agendas matter a lick.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011

Maybe you'll feel some discomfort at the contrast between (relatively!) straightforward discussion of the nitty-gritty workings of governments and the hollow bloviation we're treated to on TV. But if the world made sense, this leak would murder Trump. From start to finish it all straight-up reeks of nothing but Complete and Utter Competence.

It's like... Magnus Carlsson is playing a simultaneous chess exhibition against a roomful of Indian teenagers and Donald Trump gets up telling him to step aside and let me Make America Great Again. Or Mandingo is taking care of the monthly meeting of the Roanoke Sewing and Crafts Club and Donald Trump comes in telling him to sit his ass down and let me Make America Great Again...

What a joke. And here I was about to vote for Jill Stein.


Irregardless of involvement of Russian hackers or not I have yet to see any true smoking guns. As you're saying there are plenty of people repeating the refrain that Clinton is exposed, yet when called upon to produce what exactly the damning evidence is they don't really have anything concrete to say.

Earlier today we had one guy on here who is from Eastern Europe who routinely posts things that backfire in their face because they don't take the time to actually vet the material as you're suggesting they do. They just see someone else claim it is negative and then blindly pass it on. They posted a wikileak as if they were proving Clinton cronies were busted planning the NWO when it was nothing of the sort.

I don't know how hard it is for people to actually do just a little bit of homework or to actually read an article in full and processing its actual meaning before posting a quote out of context. Evidently people have the time to pass on undigested claims, but not to do their own thinking.

For the most part, the average hardcore Trump supporter who posts online is dedicated to posting links given to them to propogate, but there is little in-depth analysis on their part.

I have yet to see a Clinton voter on here claim anything outrageously pro-Clinton in support of their rationale for voting for her. Every Clinton supporter seems entirely capable of discussing her various flaws without requiring a counter-example about Trump's failings.

Yet it is still rare that a Trump supporter can actually grasp what his failings are without reflexively pointing at Clinton like Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers and yowling "Benghazi!". There is no quid pro quo in this discourse thus far.

Trump's base support is essentially cultic. Clinton's support is essentially pragmatic.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#911 » by GONYK » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:27 am

I don't think it is fully being understood how little the American electorate cares about Hillary's Wikileaks.
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Post#912 » by earthmansurfer » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:49 am

It is going to be difficult to prosecute Hillary as the corruption is deep, this just out:

Chaffetz: New Clinton files contain allegations of 'quid pro quo' with FBI

snippet (and note, of course the FBI rejects this.

The head of the House Oversight Committee said Friday that there may be allegations of "quid pro quo" between a top Hillary Clinton aide and an FBI official detailed in newly released documents from the bureau's investigation of Clinton's private email server.


Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has not reviewed the documents released Friday, he told Fox News, but based on briefings he said "there was an alleged quid pro quo” between the State Department's Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy and an FBI official over a classified email.
“In return for altering the classification, the possibility of additional slots for the FBI at missions overseas was discussed,” Chaffetz said.

"This is a flashing red light of potential criminality," said Chaffetz.

He said he was "infuriated" by the news and said there are grounds for at least four congressional hearings on the issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/301215-chaffetz-new-clinton-files-contain-allegations-of-quid-pro-quo#.WALx4kKBL2M.twitter
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Post#913 » by earthmansurfer » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:53 am

How much more time does "mainstream" really have? tic toc tic toc

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Post#914 » by Capn'O » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:10 pm

GONYK wrote:I don't think it is fully being understood how little the American electorate cares about Hillary's Wikileaks.


Taibbi's point was probably the most poignant about the issue: that we kinda wish these politicians would speak to us plebs with such frankness and insight.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#915 » by duetta » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:52 pm

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Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump fomenting an armed insurrection after he gets wiped out in the election. Ridiculous and dangerous. He is awful.


What is shameful is the press trying to force a President on the country instead of impartially reporting news in a balanced way. That is what goes on in Iran, Cuba and Russia.


What is shameful is that a bunch of know-nothings and racists want a career incompetent, with the attention span of a flea, and deep business ties to dirtier-than-mud Russian oligarchs as our President.

The moron last night went on a Twitter binge and called for the cancellation of Saturday Night Live - a show that he appeared only a few months ago.

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#916 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:06 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:It is going to be difficult to prosecute Hillary as the corruption is deep, this just out:

Chaffetz: New Clinton files contain allegations of 'quid pro quo' with FBI

snippet (and note, of course the FBI rejects this.

The head of the House Oversight Committee said Friday that there may be allegations of "quid pro quo" between a top Hillary Clinton aide and an FBI official detailed in newly released documents from the bureau's investigation of Clinton's private email server.


Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) has not reviewed the documents released Friday, he told Fox News, but based on briefings he said "there was an alleged quid pro quo” between the State Department's Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy and an FBI official over a classified email.
“In return for altering the classification, the possibility of additional slots for the FBI at missions overseas was discussed,” Chaffetz said.

"This is a flashing red light of potential criminality," said Chaffetz.

He said he was "infuriated" by the news and said there are grounds for at least four congressional hearings on the issue.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/301215-chaffetz-new-clinton-files-contain-allegations-of-quid-pro-quo#.WALx4kKBL2M.twitter


How is that helpful to anyone?

This guy hasn't had the time to review the materials yet they were briefed on it? They must be joking.

So let me get this straight, they don't have the time to do their homework, but they have the time to spread rumors.

Like you just did.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#917 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:10 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:How much more time does "mainstream" really have? tic toc tic toc

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Do you even know what constitutes news?

You are citing a zealots poll as a counterweight to some vague notion of the "mainstream"

Again, how is that helpful or indicative of anything?

You want to combat bias by citing the most biased imaginable poll and claim 95% of the public trusts wikileaks. That's absurd. You'd be lucky if 50% of the public can distinguish between wikileaks and Dairy Queen
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#918 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:11 pm

duetta wrote:
ClydeRules wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump fomenting an armed insurrection after he gets wiped out in the election. Ridiculous and dangerous. He is awful.


What is shameful is the press trying to force a President on the country instead of impartially reporting news in a balanced way. That is what goes on in Iran, Cuba and Russia.


What is shameful is that a bunch of know-nothings and racists want a career incompetent, with the attention span of a flea, and deep business ties to dirtier-than-mud Russian oligarchs as our President.

The moron last night went on a Twitter binge and called for the cancellation of Saturday Night Live - a show that he appeared only a few months ago.

Caligula for President.


Alec Baldwin is having the time of his life though
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Post#919 » by GONYK » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:12 pm

Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:I don't think it is fully being understood how little the American electorate cares about Hillary's Wikileaks.


Taibbi's point was probably the most poignant about the issue: that we kinda wish these politicians would speak to us plebs with such frankness and insight.

I have plenty of friends who are Romney Republicans who truly appreciated Hillary's pragmatism in the wikileaks.

That's what convinced them to vote for her.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#920 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:12 pm

Trump making drug accusations now?

I guess it's sort of cool first campaign where both candidates are tweaking.

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