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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#901 » by DOT » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:52 pm

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DaGawd wrote:Dudes really in here stanning for Frank.......

If we get a better player for him let him go. The kid ain't that special. Plays ok defense sure. But not good enough that it offsets are terrible he is offensively.

And if we do get a better player, I'll support it

But y'all out here begging for a 2nd rounder. You want me to go over the probability of a 2nd rounder being anything better than a benchwarmer? It's not good, but you'll say, well Frank ain't anything but a benchwarmer, and yeah right now he isn't, but he's literally just a consistent 3 pointer away from being a contributor to a team

If all we're getting back is a 2nd, it's more likely that Frank develops a shot than the 2nd pans out. Not every 2nd is gonna be Mitch or Trier

And y'all keep underselling his defense. It's legitimately really good, not just "ok."


I think this is fair but what really points to Frank having a consistent 3 ball any time soon? He shot 30% on catch and shoot 3's last year. Worse than Mudiay and Vonleh... Realistically he's going to have to get a lot better than that to have a significant role offensively... I guess maybe because he was at 36% his rookie year there's cause for optimism? Then you factor in the injury concerns...IDK Frank really did as much as he could to turn me off of him last year so maybe I'm just terribly biased at this point

His defense is good but if he doesn't improve his jumper (at the very least) he's going to have be Roberson level good to be playable and I just think that while that's a realistic expectation it's not something that's automatically a given either

I agree it's not a given he becomes consistent at all. He does have good form, and it usually takes guys a couple years to adapt, plus he had that shoulder injury for a bit, and if you look at his splits, he had two good months from 3 (around 37%), one bad month (around 32%), and one month where he shot 16%

I'd say it's about a 50/50 shot of him getting consistent, even if we say 30/70, that's still better odds than a guy in the 2nd becoming even a role player. It's like a 24% chance you get a role player or better from a 2nd rounder, really not good. Which isn't the most accurate way to assess the odds, but it's close enough

I trust Perry's decision making and ability to win trades, so I'll accept him trading Frank, I just can't say I'm gonna like it. Who knows though, we might get someone I really like (like Bazley, I'm gonna speak that into existence), and I'll approve. But what do I know, I'm just a sh*tposter on a message board
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#902 » by will » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:54 pm

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

Frankie Knicks. Sheesh. That man needs a fresh start.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#903 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:57 pm

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If that 2nd rounder nets us Cameron Johnson...

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He's probably going later first round though, no?
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#904 » by Phish Tank » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:58 pm

we're overestimating the need for cap space, but fine......
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#905 » by Jscratch1200 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:00 pm

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DaGawd wrote:Dudes really in here stanning for Frank.......

If we get a better player for him let him go. The kid ain't that special. Plays ok defense sure. But not good enough that it offsets are terrible he is offensively.

And if we do get a better player, I'll support it

But y'all out here begging for a 2nd rounder. You want me to go over the probability of a 2nd rounder being anything better than a benchwarmer? It's not good, but you'll say, well Frank ain't anything but a benchwarmer, and yeah right now he isn't, but he's literally just a consistent 3 pointer away from being a contributor to a team

If all we're getting back is a 2nd, it's more likely that Frank develops a shot than the 2nd pans out. Not every 2nd is gonna be Mitch or Trier

And y'all keep underselling his defense. It's legitimately really good, not just "ok."
Ageed. If the goal isn't to create cap for 2 max players still, then I'm not sure why we would trade Frank for a second rounder. Not saying I wouldn't trade him, but that would be underselling.

Since 2010, our second round picks have been: Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, Kostas Papanikolaou, Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Ognjen Jaramez, Damyean Dotson, and Mitchell Robinson.

Outside of our recent success, it hasn't been pretty.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#906 » by ITGM » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:02 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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:banghead: :banghead:


If that 2nd rounder nets us Cameron Johnson...

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He's probably going later first round though, no?


According to NBADraft.net, he's projected to go at #34; however, the Sixers are currently trying to move up to get him.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#907 » by DowNY » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:10 pm

Jscratch1200 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Dudes really in here stanning for Frank.......

If we get a better player for him let him go. The kid ain't that special. Plays ok defense sure. But not good enough that it offsets are terrible he is offensively.

And if we do get a better player, I'll support it

But y'all out here begging for a 2nd rounder. You want me to go over the probability of a 2nd rounder being anything better than a benchwarmer? It's not good, but you'll say, well Frank ain't anything but a benchwarmer, and yeah right now he isn't, but he's literally just a consistent 3 pointer away from being a contributor to a team

If all we're getting back is a 2nd, it's more likely that Frank develops a shot than the 2nd pans out. Not every 2nd is gonna be Mitch or Trier

And y'all keep underselling his defense. It's legitimately really good, not just "ok."
Ageed. If the goal isn't to create cap for 2 max players still, then I'm not sure why we would trade Frank for a second rounder. Not saying I wouldn't trade him, but that would be underselling.

Since 2010, our second round picks have been: Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, Kostas Papanikolaou, Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Ognjen Jaramez, Damyean Dotson, and Mitchell Robinson.

Outside of our recent success, it hasn't been pretty.

Last 2 years got us Trier, Mitch & Dotson. Those are good gets and all showed more than Frank.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#908 » by DowNY » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:11 pm

Frank Ntilikina should’ve been a 2nd rounder himself and y’all holding out hope for him.
Time to get real. Even the Sixers let Fultz go before we let Frank go.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid player but a change of scenery might be required.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#909 » by GONYK » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:41 pm

DowNY wrote:Frank Ntilikina should’ve been a 2nd rounder himself and y’all holding out hope for him.
Time to get real. Even the Sixers let Fultz go before we let Frank go.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid player but a change of scenery might be required.


The Sixers got two picks for a player whose body forgot how to play basketball though.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#910 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:38 pm

GONYK wrote:
DowNY wrote:Frank Ntilikina should’ve been a 2nd rounder himself and y’all holding out hope for him.
Time to get real. Even the Sixers let Fultz go before we let Frank go.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid player but a change of scenery might be required.


The Sixers got two picks for a player whose body "forgot" how to play basketball though.

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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#911 » by knuckles862 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:13 pm

DowNY wrote:Frank Ntilikina should’ve been a 2nd rounder himself and y’all holding out hope for him.
Time to get real. Even the Sixers let Fultz go before we let Frank go.
Doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid player but a change of scenery might be required.


Couldn't of said it any better. Hell fultz when he did play was still way better than Frank and philly let him go before Frank like you said. Yeah a 2nd has a high chance of being another bench warmer but it's time to give a new guy a chance Frank has had his.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#912 » by knicksanity » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:17 am

Frankie survived the Semi-annual purge!

YES! YES! YES! YES!
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#913 » by 21 Hussle » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:49 am

Wasn’t supposed to make past the draft
Jokes on you we still alive
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#914 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:49 am

knicksanity wrote:Frankie survived the Semi-annual purge!

YES! YES! YES! YES!


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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#915 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:00 am

Frank lives to play another day :clap:
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#916 » by blueNorange » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:02 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:Frank lives to play another day :clap:

this is literally a "don't f this up" statement to frank.

this is the season that determines whether he sticks in the league, or moves back to france and i think frank likes the nba lifestyle.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#917 » by GYK » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:05 am

I honestly would move on both Frank and DSJ. they just aren't core with time ticking on either extending them and letting them walk for nothing. Knox is almost their too.
we need to start building core members with only RJ/MRob being core.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#918 » by taj2133 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:07 am

blueNorange wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:Frank lives to play another day :clap:

this is literally a "don't f this up" statement to frank.

this is the season that determines whether he sticks in the league, or moves back to france and i think frank likes the nba lifestyle.

There still lot of time to trade frank the deadline isn't over yet the knicks got all summer time decide what they are going to do with him.
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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#919 » by Polk377 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:16 am

GYK wrote:I honestly would move on both Frank and DSJ. they just aren't core with time ticking on either extending them and letting them walk for nothing. Knox is almost their too.
we need to start building core members with only RJ/MRob being core.

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Re: Official Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#920 » by GYK » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:54 am

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GYK wrote:I honestly would move on both Frank and DSJ. they just aren't core with time ticking on either extending them and letting them walk for nothing. Knox is almost their too.
we need to start building core members with only RJ/MRob being core.

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maybe the face is the whole post. maybe a part. maybe I don't post specifically on this side enough. but trust it's thought out. Frank can't shoot, his defense is all potential and he's isn't a great playmaker. he hasn't proved himself being a positive anywhere on the court and his 3rd season is coming up. his value is dropping by the second.

DSJ is also a player going into his 3rd season. which means his extension talks is around the corner. he is straight up inefficient. he's a PG shooting below(once a Knick well below) 70% from the line. his 3pt shooting is horrible but that FT% shows he's unlikely to be a great shooter ever. he's a great dunker but his % around the rim isn't spectacular either. nor is he a floor general. nor a defender. he's clearly an average guard seducing fans with big time air. Terrence Ross of PG's.

Knox might be the reason for the GIF. I like him. he at least can hit the three. probably too high on the pecking order for a team. likely a spot up shooter. not a great finisher by any stretch of the imagination. actually he is terrible there. not even for his size. if we account for his size holly f**k he's bad. just general NBA level bad finisher. but again probably doing things he shouldn't be. Kyle Kuzma comes to mind(but Kuz is clearly better than he is, by a landslide, but the style is similar and the role probably should be. a 3&D player with speed and bounce). with his defense being not even a projected strength for him.

outside of fandom we have no core outside RJ and Robinson. there is no reason to tie ourselves to these guys. move on and get something for players we will absolutely be letting walk, if not signing for THJ deals.

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