Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[NoLayupRule]

He used his right hand in driving, he went right, uses the right well in crossovers and even finished with his right hand multiple times in that video so the only thing that is zero here is your credibility. You lose, good day sir......

So just so you know you weren't supposed to watch this video like your avatar with your hands covering your eyes so please try again without your hands over your eyes smart guy. SMDH. FOH.....Gotta go....

When you uncover your eyes you should also very slowly read my post again where i very clearly asked how many times he finished to the right side of the basket....again read it slow......just because you obviously have reading problems to go with your other problems....

Go look at some of his scouting reports. Here's one:

Barrett's game is all about beating his man and forcing help to come and for his to realize his potential as a slasher he'll need to improve going to his right. Most of his game flows to his dominant left hand, and while that's enough in a lot of situations, if he's going to take the next step he'll have to improve going to his right as well as finishing with his off-hand at the rim. His ball handling could also use work and improving his off-hand confidence would really help.

thats fair as are the critics on defense and tunnel vision

but the kid is a lifelong nba hopeful
he's been hardworking up until now

there is no reason to think he won't be highly committed to improving his game at the next level

[Context]

If the report is true, and there have been more than one saying they don't want to trade him to the Lakers, it's really just the Knicks and Boston who would make a push for him. Or the Pelicans refuse to trade him which also seems unlikely

And this has LONG been my issue. The Knicks are bidding against themselves.

NO was never going to trade AD to the Lakers. Gail Benson HATES LA. Not only because of the alleged tampering but she ALSO owns the NO Saints and they got royally boned by the LA Rams in the playoffs. Gail was still wailing about that last week.

Boston - He ain't resigning there. HE most certainly ain't resigning there w/o Kyrie and/or Tatum.

Gail Benson's hatred for LA is such that a 50+1 offer sends AD to NYC. Zero need to offer everything when you're the only option.

If LA isn't an option. And Boston may not be a serious player, who exactly are the Knicks competing against?

this is exactly how i see it...

[WajaBawl]

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[WajaBawl]

I seem to be in the minority here who would rather keep the pick than trade it & half our team for AD.

Btw can someone explain to me why, for cap reasons, we can't just sign AD in FA?

[Br00kLyn]

Btw can someone explain to me why, for cap reasons, we can't just sign AD in FA?

We can, when hes a FA next offseason, if we strike out and dont spend all of our cap space this offseason

[Jeff Van Gully]

Is that a championship team though??

Im not so sure.

you also don't have trier or dotson. one gotta go to sign 2 max.

Really? I didn’t work out the numbers, but that’d be easy for me... keep Dotson, sign a vet like Thabo for the min.

yeah. 5th pick was the only scenario where we could keep both and sign KD and another max. it would work if we signed 2 max in the kryie $32m bracket. but you need a shade over $70m for KD and one of those.

at 4th pick i think we were able to get away with one or the other. 2nd and 3rd pick only dotson, and neither with the 1st pick. something like that.

[GONYK]

I seem to be in the minority here who would rather keep the pick than trade it & half our team for AD.

Btw can someone explain to me why, for cap reasons, we can't just sign AD in FA?

Because we won't have the cap after signing KD and Kyrie

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Hmmm, sounds like he is in no rush to let on he is thirsty to move the pick.

[King of Canada]

Btw can someone explain to me why, for cap reasons, we can't just sign AD in FA?

We can, when hes a FA next offseason, if we strike out and dont spend all of our cap space this offseason

AD WILL NOT make free agency. The Pels want value for him, and no team will take him without an extension unless the price is lowered. AD would ldeally like to get traded after signing the super max, but it would have to wait until after the draft/Fa, which also isn't going to happen because the Pels would want control of any pick/picks they get this year before the draft. We'll see if there is a handshake deal and a team picks on behalf of the Pels, and then trade finalized after AD can sign the big deal.

***Edited to add- somebody correct me if I'm wrong about the super max. Can he sign that via an extend and trade deal not unlike Carmelo?

[smw6230]

You're making two assumptions though.

Ainge seems like a crazy person and could easily try for AD regardless of his intentions to sign or the Kyrie situation. We have the picks, they have the players. If they include Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win.

Also, let's say we are the only legit option. It's possible Perry knows this and is firm that Mitch isn't in the deal, or the Dallas pick. Bidding against yourself can go both ways, it's up to the GM to not overplay his hand.

So if LA is in fact out, that's good news (assuming of course Perry doesn't offer the farm).

I don't discount Ainge going crazy-person, but logically giving up players of the caliber mentioned for a 82 game rental (w/ no shot of a resign), isn't a rational move for an organization that has options.

"Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win. " But what do they win? What's left? I mean we're here in near meltdown over giving up our assets for a player we know we CAN resign. Boston would give up MORE in the full knowledge that he WON'T resign there.

I mean HOLY H!!

I'm in my early 40s and I'd have a stroke if the Knicks did that. Kill me dead!

[mpharris36]

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Hmmm, sounds like he is in no rush to let on he is thirsty to move the pick.

all about leverage at this point. we might want to keep it we might not. But you need to sound like you are in love with a player and giving up a major piece so that maybe you can hold Mitch out of the deal or something like that.

[GONYK]

You're making two assumptions though.

Ainge seems like a crazy person and could easily try for AD regardless of his intentions to sign or the Kyrie situation. We have the picks, they have the players. If they include Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win.

Also, let's say we are the only legit option. It's possible Perry knows this and is firm that Mitch isn't in the deal, or the Dallas pick. Bidding against yourself can go both ways, it's up to the GM to not overplay his hand.

So if LA is in fact out, that's good news (assuming of course Perry doesn't offer the farm).

I don't discount Ainge going crazy-person, but logically giving up players of the caliber mentioned for a 82 game rental (w/ no shot of a resign), isn't a rational move for an organization that has options.

"Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win. " But what do they win? What's left? I mean we're here in near meltdown over giving up our assets for a player we know we CAN resign. Boston would give up MORE in the full knowledge that he WON'T resign there.

I mean HOLY H!!

I'm in my early 40s and I'd have a stroke if the Knicks did that. Kill me dead!

Boston has to stay in the game though to up the price for us

[shtolky]

You're making two assumptions though.

Ainge seems like a crazy person and could easily try for AD regardless of his intentions to sign or the Kyrie situation. We have the picks, they have the players. If they include Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win.

Also, let's say we are the only legit option. It's possible Perry knows this and is firm that Mitch isn't in the deal, or the Dallas pick. Bidding against yourself can go both ways, it's up to the GM to not overplay his hand.

So if LA is in fact out, that's good news (assuming of course Perry doesn't offer the farm).

I don't discount Ainge going crazy-person, but logically giving up players of the caliber mentioned for a 82 game rental (w/ no shot of a resign), isn't a rational move for an organization that has options.

"Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and a couple of their picks this year, they probably win. " But what do they win? What's left? I mean we're here in near meltdown over giving up our assets for a player we know we CAN resign. Boston would give up MORE in the full knowledge that he WON'T resign there.

I mean HOLY H!!

I'm in my early 40s and I'd have a stroke if the Knicks did that. Kill me dead!

Totally agree about it being illogical for Ainge to deal the farm for AD without an extension, but he seems like the kind of nut job to do that. Apparently he's been lusting after AD for years. Part of me hope it happens because it would screw the Celtics for years.

When I said they probably win, I meant they would probably be able to pull off an AD deal vs. what we could offer. Either way, we're good. We either draft RJ and develop him or we get AD (I trust Perry not to give up literally every asset we have). Gonna be a wild time in 7 weeks.

[King of Canada]

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Hmmm, sounds like he is in no rush to let on he is thirsty to move the pick.

all about leverage at this point. we might want to keep it we might not. But you need to sound like you are in love with a player and giving up a major piece so that maybe you can hold Mitch out of the deal or something like that.

Isn't it crazy to think that the Knicks are actually in serious talks RIGHT NOW for an AD trade? Regardless if it actually happens, they're 100% in talks.

[F N 11]

We the new spurs with drafting lol.

[mpharris36]

if you really have faith in Mitch, you don't make the AD trade. Most teams go small to end games so if you think Mitch is a legit starter 1st team all defense type big you hold onto the other 6 assets (knox, dsj, frank, #3 pick, mavs 2021 unprotected and 2023 1st top 10 protected).

If you have faith in Mitch to be a big time impact on defense you don't make the trade.

[Jeff Van Gully]

who would you rather see fall to 3, ja or RJ?

[KnixinSix]

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Hmmm, sounds like he is in no rush to let on he is thirsty to move the pick.

That's what it sounds like to me. Playin it close to the vest.

[KnixinSix]

who would you rather see fall to 3, ja or RJ?

Whoever Pels want more

[spree8]

if you really have faith in Mitch, you don't make the AD trade. Most teams go small to end games so if you think Mitch is a legit starter 1st team all defense type big you hold onto the other 6 assets (knox, dsj, frank, #3 pick, mavs 2021 unprotected and 2023 1st top 10 protected).

If you have faith in Mitch to be a big time impact on defense you don't make the trade.

You can still have both. If AD n Mitch couldn’t keep up with the opposing frontcourt at the end of a game, I’d rather just play 1 of them at a time down the stretch than deprive ourselves of having 2 elite defenders at the 4/5 for 90% of the game.

Mitch is still young so him sitting in crunch time isn’t going to crush his spirit if he became a matchup liability, and if Davis got in foul trouble or needed a breather, Mitch goes in and our interior defense/rim protection wouldn’t miss a beat.