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Keeps getting worse but I’m in it for the long run lol.
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Dantares wrote:So I am short the market with puts. I am so ashamed, I got excited when I heard the news that Biden believes(per US intelligience) Russia has decided to invade Ukraine. Then I got sick to my stomach. this is real life and not numbers or a game. more people are going to die in this conflict.
If you are short the market then you will probably make alot of money when the market opens next week but remember don't **** dance. I hope Putin changes his mind and my puts end up worthless tbh.
I read an article that the market always recovers after crisis. They showed the market the day, and the coming months after disaster or war. For me I’m sticking to my guns so when things sky rocket again, I make my coin. For the day traders, I have no idea, good luck to you.
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My stocks, 401k, everything is in the tank today thanks to Russia. I have Apple, Disney, and some other long-term investments I'll never get rid of, but it's sickening to see just how much money investors (and me) lost in just one day. 

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Knick4Real wrote:My stocks, 401k, everything is in the tank today thanks to Russia. I have Apple, Disney, and some other long-term investments I'll never get rid of, but it's sickening to see just how much money investors (and me) lost in just one day.
Don’t look now S&P up 0.68% with 40 minutes to go. This market is a roller coaster. Enjoy the ride. You will have more money in the long run. You only lose when you sell
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F N 11 wrote:Dantares wrote:So I am short the market with puts. I am so ashamed, I got excited when I heard the news that Biden believes(per US intelligience) Russia has decided to invade Ukraine. Then I got sick to my stomach. this is real life and not numbers or a game. more people are going to die in this conflict.
If you are short the market then you will probably make alot of money when the market opens next week but remember don't **** dance. I hope Putin changes his mind and my puts end up worthless tbh.
I read an article that the market always recovers after crisis. They showed the market the day, and the coming months after disaster or war. For me I’m sticking to my guns so when things sky rocket again, I make my coin. For the day traders, I have no idea, good luck to you.
this.
if anything, buy any tiny amount that's on discount right now. as long as it's something you've researched and know that will continue to grow, you get more at the discounts. that's what i've been doing the last few weeks
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My most accurate indicator has printed a bullish print
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
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Garbagelo wrote:My most accurate indicator has printed a bullish print
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
This regarding the crypto market in general or just BTC?
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Stannis wrote:Garbagelo wrote:My most accurate indicator has printed a bullish print
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
This regarding the crypto market in general or just BTC?
Bitcoin only
I don't do TA on stocks, just assume up only and buy dips
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Garbagelo wrote:Stannis wrote:Garbagelo wrote:My most accurate indicator has printed a bullish print
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
This regarding the crypto market in general or just BTC?
Bitcoin only
I don't do TA on stocks, just assume up only and buy dips
Thanks for the heads up playa
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Russia is buying up crypto due to economic sanctions. Wondering if this will force the IMF or at least the U.S. to take a stronger stance against crypto to fully enforce its sanctions
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KOA wrote:Russia is buying up crypto due to economic sanctions. Wondering if this will force the IMF or at least the U.S. to take a stronger stance against crypto to fully enforce its sanctions
We should. It's nothing but a Ponzi scheme anyhow. Let Russian give up the ruble for it and watch it even further self-destruct. That would be an act of desperation.
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HarthorneWingo wrote:KOA wrote:Russia is buying up crypto due to economic sanctions. Wondering if this will force the IMF or at least the U.S. to take a stronger stance against crypto to fully enforce its sanctions
We should. It's nothing but a Ponzi scheme anyhow. Let Russian give up the ruble for it and watch it even further self-destruct. That would be an act of desperation.
Then you should be shorting it
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HarthorneWingo wrote:KOA wrote:Russia is buying up crypto due to economic sanctions. Wondering if this will force the IMF or at least the U.S. to take a stronger stance against crypto to fully enforce its sanctions
We should. It's nothing but a Ponzi scheme anyhow. Let Russian give up the ruble for it and watch it even further self-destruct. That would be an act of desperation.
So are stocks and gold/precious metals if you think about it. How many people got screwed on stocks/investing/401k during crashes?
This Russia news is very bullish imo. Millions of people sold their Ruble for Bitcoin. Why? Because Bitcoin will have better value in hundreds of countries while the Ruble is becoming worthless. What is happening can happen in other countries as well. No currency is safe. Which people do you think are better off in Russia right now? The ones who sold their Ruble for Bitcoin once the war started or the ones who are still holding Ruble and putting their faith in their government/army and Putin??
I would like to also add, my generation and younger are not as infatuated with gold and other precious metals. So Bitcoin tends to move with gold as well, which is why I don't buy precious metals anymore. I just buy Bitcoin instead.
Listen, I'm not saying we should all sell our stocks and USD and buy BTC, but I think it's crazy not to allocate at least 10% of your portfolio to Bitcoin. I admit, I'm wary about these alt-coins, but I'm 100% confident in Bitcoin.
Governments can try to "ban" Crypto, but it doesn't work as long as you move it to your own wallet. Even some exchanges refused to freeze Crypto assets requested by the Canadian government during the protests. Most of these people who say Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme/scam are (1) just butthurt they didn't think of it first (it's not coincidence that many traditional billionaires bought in and believed in it after the last big dip, basically they just got their price point). (2) Just don't have knowledge about it
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They are gonna push the idea that Bitcoin is used for the Black Market or illegal Russian transactions. Fact of the matter, it probably saved the lives of many innocent families that were screwed by their government and politicians
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Stannis wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:KOA wrote:Russia is buying up crypto due to economic sanctions. Wondering if this will force the IMF or at least the U.S. to take a stronger stance against crypto to fully enforce its sanctions
We should. It's nothing but a Ponzi scheme anyhow. Let Russian give up the ruble for it and watch it even further self-destruct. That would be an act of desperation.
So are stocks and gold/precious metals if you think about it. How many people got screwed on stocks/investing/401k during crashes?
This Russia news is very bullish imo. Millions of people sold their Ruble for Bitcoin. Why? Because Bitcoin will have better value in hundreds of countries while the Ruble is becoming worthless. What is happening can happen in other countries as well. No currency is safe. Which people do you think are better off in Russia right now? The ones who sold their Ruble for Bitcoin once the war started or the ones who are still holding Ruble and putting their faith in their government/army and Putin??
I would like to also add, my generation and younger are not as infatuated with gold and other precious metals. So Bitcoin tends to move with gold as well, which is why I don't buy precious metals anymore. I just buy Bitcoin instead.
Listen, I'm not saying we should all sell our stocks and USD and buy BTC, but I think it's crazy not to allocate at least 10% of your portfolio to Bitcoin. I admit, I'm wary about these alt-coins, but I'm 100% confident in Bitcoin.
Governments can try to "ban" Crypto, but it doesn't work as long as you move it to your own wallet. Even some exchanges refused to freeze Crypto assets requested by the Canadian government during the protests. Most of these people who say Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme/scam are (1) just butthurt they didn't think of it first (it's not coincidence that many traditional billionaires bought in and believed in it after the last big dip, basically they just got their price point). (2) Just don't have knowledge about it
A few things here:
1) Precious metals and gold have some inherent value and stocks represent companies that have real physical assets (in most cases), like machines, real estate, vehicles...etc. At best, cryptocurrencies are backed by a stablecoin (Tether) which may or may not be backed by some fiat currency, which means it is very possible a stick of bubble gum has more inherent value than any cryptocurrency.
2) Yes, there have been Ponzi schemes and overhyped garbage offerings via investing (Madoff, SPACs, Enron, WeWork, Theranos), but that is why the markets are centralized and regulated, which are two things cryptocurrencies say they do not want/they get around. Yes, there have been market crashes, but things have not been exponentially worse because the system is centralized and is backed by the Fed/a central bank.
3) Some crypto exchanges are working with the US government to help enforce the sanctions, which once again destroys the narrative that cryptocurrencies can and will always be decentralized. (And this is without even getting into the fact that most Bitcoins/NFTs are owned by a small elite.)
4) It would be a rookie mistake to conclude people who don't buy what crypto is selling are "butt hurt" or "don't get it." I've read up on the subject and anyone claiming to completely understand the space is a fool. That said, there are very solid, well-documented arguments against crypto, Web3, NFTs, and Blockchain technology that any crypto enthusiast should read and consider. (Similarly, anti-crypto people need to read up on why crypto enthusiasts are so convinced about the space and what -- if any -- innovations this might bring about.)
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Stannis wrote:They are gonna push the idea that Bitcoin is used for the Black Market or illegal Russian transactions. Fact of the matter, it probably saved the lives of many innocent families that were screwed by their government and politicians
It's not a mutually exclusive thing: it can be used for both things at the same time.
The problems with Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) don't disappear because it had a potentially functional use in a very specific instance. Russians could trade their rubles for dollars, euros, gold, silver, bitcoin, iPhones, laptops, jewelry, cars, bikes, food...etc; that doesn't prove that food, bikes, cars, jewelry, laptops, or iPhones are useful as currencies, stores of value, or units of exchange.
If nothing else, what this is all showing is the vital role centralization and regulation can play in (potentially) bringing a violent conflict to an end without having to resort to sending troops or escalating the physical violence. The "decentralized," unaccountable nature of cryptocurrencies takes this option off of the table. Does this sound like an optimal outcome? No, and some crypto exchanges are in talks with the government to do precisely the opposite of what it claims it exists for.
Of course, many of us may feel justified that the US and its allies are doing the right thing in this particular case given that Russia seemingly attacked the Ukraine for no reason (the situation is way more complex than this, but let's leave the politics and geopolitical chess to the side for now). However, we have seen how a centralized, regulated system can pick winners (financial institutions) and losers (most people), as was the case in 2008 GFC.
The point is, centralization and regulation forces some amount of conformity that forces some level of cooperation, just like it does in trade, and allows us to put in place safety measures and approved practices that keep us safe most of the time and increase our ability to trust strangers, which is why most of us are willing to submit to all sorts of medical exams and interventions by medical staff we've never met or buy food and products made by people we don't know. Decentralization does the opposite of that.
This isn't to say centralization and regulation are perfect; they are not. They are subject to human error, whether that is done intentionally or not. In most cases, though, the answer is not going to be less regulation or decentralization, unless the level of regulation is too strict (potentially drug laws, for example) or concentrated power is too great, like with political power (dictator/king/queen/emperor), a monopoly, or judicial power. It's the same underlying principle in our democracy: do you think the US would be better off without a central authority (the federal government) with each state doing its own thing or do you think the centralized aspect is necessary and unifying in ways a "decentralized" setup is not?
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The shadow banking system's "innovations" produced three effects:
I. Leverage: regulated banks must place limits on how much their customers can borrow and gamble with. "Credit swaps" allowed for effectively unlimited leverage, so that every routine transaction in the real economy could result in fortunes changing hands in the shadow banking world.
II. Rigidity: To reduce the risk presented by this over-leveraging, shadow banks created brittle, rigid contracts that dictated automatic sell-offs or margin calls when certain things took place. In good times, these made the gambling seem safe. During a crisis, these turned into suicide pacts.
III. Bank-runs: When over-leveraged assets hit a bump, the leverage and the rigidity of the contracts meant to "de-risk" it triggered cascading price-drops, which sent investors running for the doors. When everyone tries to get out of a market at once, you get a bank-run, which drives otherwise sound institutions to collapse.
The shadow-banking system created a whole menagerie of exotic "products" that all shared one characteristic: they were complex. The complexity of these instruments made it hard to know when you were taking a sucker's bet. Worse, they made it hard for designers, analysts and executives to understand how all the pieces put together – steps taken to make one part of the system less risky could make otherwise sturdy parts far shakier....
In shadow banking 1.0, money-market mutual funds were billed as a way to anchor abstract financial transactions to the real economy, a safe and reliable way to cash out of your investments. They proved to be anything but.
In shadow banking 2.0, we have stablecoins like Tether, which are pegged to real money like the US dollar and (allegedly) backed by dollar-denominated assets. Hypothetically, Tether has $1 worth of assets for every $1 worth of Tether it has issued. In reality, it's an open secret that Tether is a colossal fraud, issuing worthless paper backed by empty promises.
In shadow banking 1.0, we had complex financial instruments that you had to be a finance expert to begin to understand. In shadow banking 2.0, we have smart contracts, which you need to be a financial expert and a coder to make sense of.
These smart contracts don't just create instability by being too complex to understand and vulnerable to coding errors – they're also fraud magnets...
The Venn intersection of "people who code" and "people who understand finance" is so small it's a sphincter. Scammers who work smart contracts don't even need to change up the swindle: no matter whether the mark is a coder or a banker, there will be key elements of the game they can't make heads nor tails of.
Smart contracts introduce extraordinary brittleness into shadow banking 2.0. They allow defi loans to automatically liquidate if the value of collateral dips below a set threshold. That could send the borrower into a selling frenzy, liquidating other assets, driving down their prices, triggering other automated liquidations.
There are theoretical ways to build circuit-breakers into smart-contracts to prevent this kind of cascade, like having them consult another contract before firing, or even waiting for a human referee (an "oracle") to give the go-ahead. But each of these transactions comes with "gas fees" for the computing to run them, and penny-pinching shadow bankers are loathe to pay these fees.
Likewise theoretical is the way that stablecoins could constrain leverage in defi: but "when stablecoins are used as collateral for loans, the proceeds of those loans are often used as collateral for other loans, which can then be used as collateral for further loans, and so on."
Leverage plus brittleness leads to bank runs. Stablecoins are (alleged) to be redeemable for real money. If (when) leverage and brittleness trigger a stampede for the exit, exchanges and issuers will be on the hook to find a lot of actual dollars to make the "investors" of the defi world whole.
When that happens, it won't just be the defi world that gets sucked under. As with shadow banking 1.0, shadow 2.0 is increasingly woven into the real economy, thanks to ventures like Jpmorgan's blockchain team and the regulated banks working towards issuing their own stablecoin.
Shadow banking 1.0 crashed the world's economy and destroyed millions of lives in part because regulators sat by and watched as it created risk that is loaded onto all of our books. The same thing is happening with defi right now.
https://pluralistic.net/2022/03/02/shadow-banking-2-point-oh/
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Knicks Byke wrote:damn.
Oh noooooo!
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Garbagelo wrote:My most accurate indicator has printed a bullish print
Same indicator that predicted July bottom and 2019 bottom as well as May top and Oct top
What indicator is that bruh? I'm still on my journey seeking that alpha.
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