Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[mpharris36]

The guy/bot started the account the other day. Let's not post him to confuse people.

[Chanel Bomber]

At best. It’s not a competitive team. Would go for stretches without reliable scoring throughout many games, especially in 4th quarters, lacks defensive tenacity and physicality as well as knock down shooting. Also I don’t think it’s outstandingly talented. Every team has some good players.

This team would be very streaky and volatile.

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

Just another "RJ sucks" post

RJ and Randle suck.

So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.

You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.

The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.

[G_K_F]

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

I’d rather have the faint hope of a miracle of a better GM than re-creating the Melo era. There’s nothing memorable or fun about what you’re describing. The end game is to win a title. It will never happen under Dolan in any scenario - but my scenario has a better chance of us kicking in to something rather than building another mediocre roster that goes nowhere.

Title. Lolz. Knicks have a longer title drought than the legendary Ranger's one.

I know. Which is why I’m not really a fan of this team anymore. If you’re not trying to building towards a title there is no reason to be invested in a team or a sport. It’s about winning it all at the end of the day.

But if I were one I’d place my hopes on my scenario rather than Donovan Mitchell.

[FrozenEnvelope]

I'm not even remotely thinking title right now. This franchise first needs to establish itself as a stable organization. You don't go from a loser and laughing stock to a contender quickly. I'd be content if this team can string together a couple of winning seasons. It would do so much for the reputation and how the media and FA's view this team.

Worst thing you can do right now is hire someone like Hinkie and tank the next 3 years. You're gonna ruin RJ, Obi and IQ for a 14% chance at maybe getting a star. No thanks. That is not what we need right now or how you build a team.

[F N 11]

Still waiting on the secondary move.

[thebuzzardman]

Just for the record it’s a fake account so relax.

https://www.columbiatribune.com/staff/9538490002/matt-stahl/

That's where the used car salesman/proctologist picture comes from

[FrozenEnvelope]

I’d rather have the faint hope of a miracle of a better GM than re-creating the Melo era. There’s nothing memorable or fun about what you’re describing. The end game is to win a title. It will never happen under Dolan in any scenario - but my scenario has a better chance of us kicking in to something rather than building another mediocre roster that goes nowhere.

Title. Lolz. Knicks have a longer title drought than the legendary Ranger's one.

I know. Which is why I’m not really a fan of this team anymore. If you’re not trying to building towards a title there is no reason to be invested in a team or a sport. It’s about winning it all at the end of the day.

But if I were one I’d place my hopes on my scenario rather than Donovan Mitchell.

If you're not really a fan, why are you here every single day?

[thebuzzardman]

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

Just another "RJ sucks" post

RJ and Randle suck.

So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.

You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.

The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.

Randle can go, RJ will become awesome

[Clyde_Style]

They would not be the same. They would be infinitely worse.

Yes. Knicks suck. Are the worst. etc.

I’m sorry, man, but your takes will age horrible. As Will anything positive related towards the Knicks. This isn’t a team to be hopeful about.

The reality of the situation is that Brunson/Mitchell/Randle are never winning 50 games unless like 5 others teams in the East are injured. The East is deeper than the West and that roster post-Mitchell trade is not stronger than many Eastern Conference rosters. But if you’re willing to sacrifice anything to be first round fodder then God bless you.

Scream into your pillow

Smash a chandelier

Step on a roach

Chop some wood

Do something to let the anger out before you burst into flames

[G_K_F]

Title. Lolz. Knicks have a longer title drought than the legendary Ranger's one.

I know. Which is why I’m not really a fan of this team anymore. If you’re not trying to building towards a title there is no reason to be invested in a team or a sport. It’s about winning it all at the end of the day.

But if I were one I’d place my hopes on my scenario rather than Donovan Mitchell.

If you're not really a fan, why are you here every single day?

I have an illness and this serves as a distraction to my daily life. I enjoy the banter and, more recently, laughing at the team.

[thebuzzardman]

I know. Which is why I’m not really a fan of this team anymore. If you’re not trying to building towards a title there is no reason to be invested in a team or a sport. It’s about winning it all at the end of the day.

But if I were one I’d place my hopes on my scenario rather than Donovan Mitchell.

If you're not really a fan, why are you here every single day?

I have an illness and this serves as a distraction to my daily life. I enjoy the banter and, more recently, laughing at the team.

I like to annoy people.

[Clyde_Style]

Why not?
It's not as if the Knicks will use the picks or use them well.

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ
Mitch
Obi

Leggo!

[thebuzzardman]

I would much prefer they do nothing else except trade Randle, miss the playoffs again, get Leon/Perry/Thibs fired and roll the dice on a better guy making those draft picks.

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ
Mitch
Obi

Leggo!

5th/6th seed and I don't even care

[Clyde_Style]

You yourself has stated a "better guy" is never coming, so why do that?
Dolan runs the team.
Might was well get Mitchell, get a few 1st and 2nd round exits in, be entertained.
Some of you all have all kinds of...expectations.

At this point I'll settle for a few players with talent who play in an interesting way.

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ
Mitch
Obi

Leggo!

5th/6th seed and I don't even care

Less logjam, more butter!

[DOT]

I don't love the idea of a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt, especially if RJ is going out and Fournier is staying, that perimeter defense is gonna suck so hard

And it depends on what specifically the Jazz would want from us

I would rather use Randle as a trade piece than RJ, but I do think Mitchell is good enough that I'd send out RJ for him, of course depending on what else the Jazz want

If it's a thing where they Jazz want all our youth and picks to go along with RJ, then I'd probably step back because you're essentially locking yourself into a Brunson/Mitchell/Randle core with no likely avenues to get pieces around them to support them going forward

Quick and Obi could go, I think Quick would have a hard time finding a role with two other small guards who need minutes, and since we'd be committing to Randle, that means Obi also has a limited role with us. I'd want to keep Grimes, I think he's sort of the perfect complimentary guy, he can play next to either Brunson or Mitchell and in some cases both but him going isn't a deal breaker. Cam is one of those guys who the idea of is better than the actual player, so I would be fine letting him go as well

I guess basically I don't have anyone on the untouchable list, and while I'd prefer to keep RJ to pair with Mitchell over any other young player, I understand he's also our most valuable trade piece and I'd be fine with sending him out, but if they're asking for all the above plus picks, I don't think that's worth it.

[spree2kawhi]

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

Just another "RJ sucks" post

RJ and Randle suck.

So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.

You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.

The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.

I could see the bricks flying for stretches with that team. It’s more the personalities than skill and also a gut feeling, maybe totally wrong.

[DaGawd]

I'm not even remotely thinking title right now. This franchise first needs to establish itself as a stable organization. You don't go from a loser and laughing stock to a contender quickly. I'd be content if this team can string together a couple of winning seasons. It would do so much for the reputation and how the media and FA's view this team.

Worst thing you can do right now is hire someone like Hinkie and tank the next 3 years. You're gonna ruin RJ, Obi and IQ for a 14% chance at maybe getting a star. No thanks. That is not what we need right now or how you build a team.

This is why I’m ok with trading for a semi superstar like Mitchell. This team will never build it up the organically the way we want so we may as well have a few entertaining seasons of winning regular season ball, restore some respectability to our franchise and then hope that’s enough to make star players want to be in NYC again

[robillionaire]

I don't love the idea of a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt, especially if RJ is going out and Fournier is staying, that perimeter defense is gonna suck so hard

And it depends on what specifically the Jazz would want from us

I would rather use Randle as a trade piece than RJ, but I do think Mitchell is good enough that I'd send out RJ for him, of course depending on what else the Jazz want

If it's a thing where they Jazz want all our youth and picks to go along with RJ, then I'd probably step back because you're essentially locking yourself into a Brunson/Mitchell/Randle core with no likely avenues to get pieces around them to support them going forward

Quick and Obi could go, I think Quick would have a hard time finding a role with two other small guards who need minutes, and since we'd be committing to Randle, that means Obi also has a limited role with us. I'd want to keep Grimes, I think he's sort of the perfect complimentary guy, he can play next to either Brunson or Mitchell and in some cases both but him going isn't a deal breaker. Cam is one of those guys who the idea of is better than the actual player, so I would be fine letting him go as well

I guess basically I don't have anyone on the untouchable list, and while I'd prefer to keep RJ to pair with Mitchell over any other young player, I understand he's also our most valuable trade piece and I'd be fine with sending him out, but if they're asking for all the above plus picks, I don't think that's worth it.

I’d still do it and then look to upgrade with a wing defender going forward. Either in trade or draft 4 of them or something. Don’t have to complete the puzzle in one summer but would be nice to get a couple pieces

[Reign23]

The lack of defense 1 through 4 would be untenable, and hard to watch. The only player among the 4 who has had one good season defensively is Randle - and he's somehow the most volatile of the 4 (Brunson is scrappy and physical but that doesn't make him a net positive on that end).

A Brunson-Mitchell backcourt would elevate the team's ceiling but it would require a complete overhaul of the forward positions (a conclusion that every discussion leads to as far as I'm concerned). You would need two good defenders who can space the floor alongside Brunson and Mitchell, not players who cannibalize their usage and don't make a difference defensively. Maybe our own dynamic duo would put in more effort on defense with a lesser offensive burden (another if), but I doubt either one of them has the mental make-up to make those sacrifices.

Just another "RJ sucks" post

RJ and Randle suck.

So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.

You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.

The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.

I hope that all RJ fans (including me) are coming at you all season when he looks great.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't love the idea of a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt, especially if RJ is going out and Fournier is staying, that perimeter defense is gonna suck so hard

And it depends on what specifically the Jazz would want from us

I would rather use Randle as a trade piece than RJ, but I do think Mitchell is good enough that I'd send out RJ for him, of course depending on what else the Jazz want

If it's a thing where they Jazz want all our youth and picks to go along with RJ, then I'd probably step back because you're essentially locking yourself into a Brunson/Mitchell/Randle core with no likely avenues to get pieces around them to support them going forward

Quick and Obi could go, I think Quick would have a hard time finding a role with two other small guards who need minutes, and since we'd be committing to Randle, that means Obi also has a limited role with us. I'd want to keep Grimes, I think he's sort of the perfect complimentary guy, he can play next to either Brunson or Mitchell and in some cases both but him going isn't a deal breaker. Cam is one of those guys who the idea of is better than the actual player, so I would be fine letting him go as well

I guess basically I don't have anyone on the untouchable list, and while I'd prefer to keep RJ to pair with Mitchell over any other young player, I understand he's also our most valuable trade piece and I'd be fine with sending him out, but if they're asking for all the above plus picks, I don't think that's worth it.

Brunson/Mitchell may not be ideal but I think it could work especially if we stagger minutes. The biggest issue is we are negotiating with Ainge so the price might be crazy or even out of our budget and making sure we have enough pieces/flexibility left.

A big skilled wing like RJ would def fit in better then Randle, Fournier, IQ, etc so should be a priority to keep. But Ainge will want everything we have.