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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#901 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:03 pm

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Isn't the above trade not possible because the Suns are deep in the 2nd apron?


Suns can add 2 players or 3 players for Durant...they just can aggregate Durant with another player to match salary purposes. It has to be Durant going out by himself.

But the only way to do a Durant trade for us since we are over the 1st apron is.

KAT basically straight up

or

Mikal + OG

or

Mikal + Josh Hart + Mitch

basically the only trade that sort of makes sense is KAT straight up but even then that is super risky short term move. And KAT was a better player than KD last year and younger and healthier. I get the case you can probably trust KD in the playoffs for next year more. But I don't know if we should be making that risky of a move because our windown completely shuts with another KD injury.
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Post#902 » by Lord Commander » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:07 pm

Dammit man!! I can't unsee Bam. That man is built different and would instantly increase our chances. Hali would schit his pants.
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Post#903 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:08 pm

Last year's playoffs

O. Anunoby - J. Hart - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo - M. Robinson

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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#904 » by WargamesX » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:10 pm

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Isn't the above trade not possible because the Suns are deep in the 2nd apron?


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Post#905 » by Fury » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:15 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Last year's playoffs

O. Anunoby - J. Hart - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo - M. Robinson

5 G
24 mins
137.7 ORTG
95.8 DRTG
41.9 NRTG


If we got Divo back without giving up any of the core 7, I think we're a championship team with the right adjustments (and maybe like a backup center - Huk?)
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Post#906 » by dukeknicksirish » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:23 pm

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Post#907 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:36 pm

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That sounds like Gobert in talks with Minny.

I'm sure they would love KAT...but there is no way the Knicks should be doing a straight up trade of KAT for KD IMO. I don't think KAT is untouchable...but man the window would be so small...and then you would 100% be relying on Mitch for the entire season to hold down center...which in flashes he can be dominant its a health question with him...can he play 30 minutes per game?
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Post#908 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:39 pm

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Isn't the above trade not possible because the Suns are deep in the 2nd apron?


Suns can add 2 players or 3 players for Durant...they just can aggregate Durant with another player to match salary purposes. It has to be Durant going out by himself.

But the only way to do a Durant trade for us since we are over the 1st apron is.

KAT basically straight up

or

Mikal + OG

or

Mikal + Josh Hart + Mitch

basically the only trade that sort of makes sense is KAT straight up but even then that is super risky short term move. And KAT was a better player than KD last year and younger and healthier. I get the case you can probably trust KD in the playoffs for next year more. But I don't know if we should be making that risky of a move because our windown completely shuts with another KD injury.


Thanks for clearing that up!

Yeah I think the only scenario where trading for KD makes sense is one that involves Towns going out. A defensive frontcourt of Durant/Towns combined with Brunson at the 1 while losing some of your best wing defenders, in the process, is disastrous to me. We'd become Suns East....

I'm not big on acquiring KD. I think people still look at the numbers and think "oh he's elite!" still.. If you actually watch him play he's become pretty diminished from what he once was. He doesn't get to the rim, basically, at all anymore. He wasn't necessarily a high "rim attempts" number guy to begin with. In GS he would take roughly 4-5 attempts a game at the rim. He's down to around 2 in Phoenix.

For reference, everyone's punching bag for being soft around the rim around here (Mikal Bridges) took roughly 3.5 shots from less than 5 feet this year. So markedly higher than KD this past year.

His free throws per 100 possessions has dropped markedly since he was in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn he got to the line roughly 10 times per 100 possessions. In PHX, he's gotten down to 7.5 times per 100 possession.

These are all things that generally continue to worsen with age/wear and tear and they are 2 of the most important areas of the floor in terms of maintaining efficiency and also keeping your bag varied as an offensive fulcrum.

So basically KD has just reverted into being a pure jump shooter. Which is fine because he's still really good at it but, it's not necessarily going to lend itself to some dynamic offensive shift that makes shipping Towns worth it IMO. Also if he sees any age related drop off in his jumper (specifically his pullup) then, we would have a serious problem on our hands.

On top of all that, he will want a massive extension for what surely will be his last pay day.

All that being said, I get the argument for it... KD for all those faults I laid out is still remarkably more consistent than Towns in terms of smart/efficient play, being at worst a neutral defensive presence, and generally being more reliable on offense. You won't see KD get into foul trouble in a big game or pick up stupid illegal screen calls. He won't just drive like a chicken with his head cut off. That steadiness is a valuable upgrade and something to consider.

I still lean no on doing it because factoring in age, injury history, and natural decline I just don't think it's worth the risk of losing Towns as an asset for a diminishing valued asset like KD. I also still believe we can build a winner around Brunson/KAT but, maybe I'm in the minority with that opinion.
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Post#909 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:40 pm

When you have a scorer like Brunson who's also a very good passer, you need pressure release valves around him. DDV's willingness to let it fly with defenders closing out on him was why that pairing worked so well.

Regular season - 40.1% on 8.7 3PA / 70.2% of his FGA were 3s / 91.9% of his 3PM were assisted.
Playoffs - 42.5% on 8.2 3PA / 55.5% of his FGA were 3s / 86.7% of 3PM were assisted.

I know ppl here said it multiple times & Begley just said it again on the Lowe podcast - a big reason the Brunson / KAT PnR died is b/c teams would stick a C on Hart who they could cheat off of. Maybe getting a bomber like DDV back puts that back on the table.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#910 » by dakomish23 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:41 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:Last year's playoffs

O. Anunoby - J. Hart - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo - M. Robinson

5 G
24 mins
137.7 ORTG
95.8 DRTG
41.9 NRTG


If we got Divo back without giving up any of the core 7, I think we're a championship team with the right adjustments (and maybe like a backup center - Huk?)


I think it's McBride plus filler going back if that's even possible. Who knows w/ the aprons
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Post#911 » by Fury » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:47 pm

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Post#912 » by spree8 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:53 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Fury wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Last year's playoffs

O. Anunoby - J. Hart - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo - M. Robinson

5 G
24 mins
137.7 ORTG
95.8 DRTG
41.9 NRTG


If we got Divo back without giving up any of the core 7, I think we're a championship team with the right adjustments (and maybe like a backup center - Huk?)


I think it's McBride plus filler going back if that's even possible. Who knows w/ the aprons



I don’t like the idea of trading our best POA defender. I like Donte n all, but not at that cost
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Post#913 » by sol537 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:54 pm

If PHX wants KAT they'd have to send us more than just KD due to the age difference alone. I'm talking KD, Dunn, and an unprotected 1st.

Otherwise, look elsewhere.

Then we could try to get DDV back with that Deuce, Dadiet, Tucker package someone was floating earlier.

Mitch / Huk
KD / Dunn
OG / Hart
Mikal / DDV
Brunson

I think a better team than what we had this season.
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Post#914 » by KnixinSix » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:55 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
snadler wrote:
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Isn't the above trade not possible because the Suns are deep in the 2nd apron?


Suns can add 2 players or 3 players for Durant...they just can aggregate Durant with another player to match salary purposes. It has to be Durant going out by himself.

But the only way to do a Durant trade for us since we are over the 1st apron is.

KAT basically straight up

or

Mikal + OG

or

Mikal + Josh Hart + Mitch

basically the only trade that sort of makes sense is KAT straight up but even then that is super risky short term move. And KAT was a better player than KD last year and younger and healthier. I get the case you can probably trust KD in the playoffs for next year more. But I don't know if we should be making that risky of a move because our windown completely shuts with another KD injury.


Since KD is old and injury prone....NO WAY...I give up 3 years of a younger KAT for him.

However if its Bridges who is only controlled for 1 more year and then Mitch who is only controlled for one more year and Josh who is a nice player but still a role player. I would do this.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#915 » by Fury » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:55 pm

spree8 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Fury wrote:
If we got Divo back without giving up any of the core 7, I think we're a championship team with the right adjustments (and maybe like a backup center - Huk?)


I think it's McBride plus filler going back if that's even possible. Who knows w/ the aprons



I don’t like the idea of trading our best POA defender. I like Donte n all, but not at that cost


Sign and trade Precious and a pick?
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Post#916 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:59 pm

Fury wrote:
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dakomish23 wrote:
I think it's McBride plus filler going back if that's even possible. Who knows w/ the aprons



I don’t like the idea of trading our best POA defender. I like Donte n all, but not at that cost


Sign and trade Precious and a pick?


Nobody really wants Precious
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Post#917 » by Fury » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:00 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Fury wrote:
spree8 wrote:

I don’t like the idea of trading our best POA defender. I like Donte n all, but not at that cost


Sign and trade Precious and a pick?


Nobody really wants Precious


I like him :(
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Post#918 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:00 pm

Everyone (including me) with all these wild trade proposals.

Get real and try to figure out which 5 NBA retreads the Knicks are looking into to replace it's current group of bench NBA retreads.

The end.

Have a great summer.

Outgoing:

Payne
Shamet
Precious
Wright
PJ Tucker

Incoming:
Somebodies.

Who really cares. Thibs will barely play them anyway.
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Post#919 » by WargamesX » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:02 pm

The best KD/KAT trade idea I heard was the one where it’s a 4 team trade and the Knicks get Trey Murphy and DDV back.

I just wish it was a rumor and not a mock trade :nonono:
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Post#920 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:02 pm

Fury wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Fury wrote:
Sign and trade Precious and a pick?


Nobody really wants Precious


I like him :(


The difference between Precious and LFT is not that great.
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