Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[GettinitDone]

I wish so badly that we were playing in the Finals now

But because of an idiot (is it taboo to say that of one of the most BRILLIANT bball minds of ALL TIME whose Knicks teams in his 5 years repeatedly left 3 point shooters open + wide open paint??) coaching us we will have to wait ANOTHER year to potentially be in the Finals

I believe all of the mistakes we made in the ECF were basic fundamental defensive errors that can be quickly addressed by someone SLIGHTLY more competent than Tommy "one of the most BRILLIANT bball minds of ALL TIME" Thibby. Because I believe we have a championship worthy roster...

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

it's all especially bizarre to me when juxtaposed against the end of ECF G1 where thibs then didn't ride the group that had the game in hand.

like, snoop on the wire. **** the rotation, old man.

The playoffs showed the flaws in Thibslam, and the righteous crusaders against its spread have secured our seat in the Kingdom of the Finals.

thibslam is about toughness and togetherness. we stand with you against extremism.

painting all nation family as extremists is a problem. you know that.

[MrDollarBills]

Wow this Pacers analyst NAILS some stuff here ....

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Pacers fans were posting her on the GB. She's really solid.

This is spot on analysis and I like how she broke down the reasoning why Deuce should have been glued to Haliburton like stink on sh*t

[MrDollarBills]

The more that comes out the more it seems like management severed ties before the working relationship become completely untenable for the same reasons he flamed out elsewhere. Especially given who we're tied to as a replacement, this feels more like a "we can't work with you anymore" than an indictment on his coaching. Once that is established there's usually no going back as Thibs became a public issue in both of his previous stops. We got out front of the ensuing tire fire.



My guess is absolutely but in the straw breaking the camel's back sort of way.

Alan Hahn pretty much said that they wanted to end this now instead of kicking the tires and having to fire Tom mid season, which would be disastrous.

I hate to keep going back to Game 6 versus Boston, but something wasn't right man. The look on Jalen's face when he was telling Tom to take everyone out spoke a thousand words.

I 100%, believe that Jalen knew well before we lost that Tom was done. That's why he lashed out at that reporter for asking that question. That was the first time I've ever seen him lose his composure like that. He knew, and it probably hurt like hell.

This situation sucks but I think all parties involved moved forward for the greater good of the team

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

[MrDollarBills]

Wow this Pacers analyst NAILS some stuff here ....

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Exactly this
I asked all year to just try Mitch and deuce in the starting lineup
With KAT and hart off the bench
If you make the argument you don’t trade for KAT to come off the bench, well okc just signed Ihart to a massive contract and he hasn’t started a game for them during the first two finals games. It’s about adjustments, and Thibs never tried anything new

Thibs would have been fired on opening night if he suggested that and rightfully so.

He definitely should have tried Deuce with the starters though.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/KAT should have the main line up all season. Yeah the backcourt is small but Deuce plays bigger than he is and we would have 5 out spacing.

Oh well. I'm ready to move on but this feels like a huge opportunity was blown.

[KnixinSix]

Exactly this
I asked all year to just try Mitch and deuce in the starting lineup
With KAT and hart off the bench
If you make the argument you don’t trade for KAT to come off the bench, well okc just signed Ihart to a massive contract and he hasn’t started a game for them during the first two finals games. It’s about adjustments, and Thibs never tried anything new

Thibs would have been fired on opening night if he suggested that and rightfully so.

He definitely should have tried Deuce with the starters though.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/KAT should have the main line up all season. Yeah the backcourt is small but Deuce plays bigger than he is and we would have 5 out spacing.

Oh well. I'm ready to move on but this feels like a huge opportunity was blown.

Thibs has an obssession having to have a tall shooting guard next to Brunson at all costs...... yet for years EVERY SINGLE DARN METRIC showed when he played Deuce instead of RJ or any other deficient shooting guard with length the metrics continuously favored that lineup.

[KnixinSix]

Alan Hahn pretty much said that they wanted to end this now instead of kicking the tires and having to fire Tom mid season, which would be disastrous.

I hate to keep going back to Game 6 versus Boston, but something wasn't right man. The look on Jalen's face when he was telling Tom to take everyone out spoke a thousand words.

I 100%, believe that Jalen knew well before we lost that Tom was done. That's why he lashed out at that reporter for asking that question. That was the first time I've ever seen him lose his composure like that. He knew, and it probably hurt like hell.

This situation sucks but I think all parties involved moved forward for the greater good of the team

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

Kidd with Bryant as AHC would not be a bad combo like at all.

[KnixinSix]

Alan Hahn pretty much said that they wanted to end this now instead of kicking the tires and having to fire Tom mid season, which would be disastrous.

I hate to keep going back to Game 6 versus Boston, but something wasn't right man. The look on Jalen's face when he was telling Tom to take everyone out spoke a thousand words.

I 100%, believe that Jalen knew well before we lost that Tom was done. That's why he lashed out at that reporter for asking that question. That was the first time I've ever seen him lose his composure like that. He knew, and it probably hurt like hell.

This situation sucks but I think all parties involved moved forward for the greater good of the team

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

Kidd with Bryant as AHC would not be a bad combo like at all.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wow this Pacers analyst NAILS some stuff here ....

Read on Twitter

Pacers fans were posting her on the GB. She's really solid.

This is spot on analysis and I like how she broke down the reasoning why Deuce should have been glued to Haliburton like stink on sh*t

i'd been watching them through the playoffs wanting to hate, but couldn't. she and samson are good at this. really analysis-forward. caitlin cooper should probably be doing more with the game than this.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

yeah, but some of it was about rick, right? there was a daddy comment in there.

rick wasn't coming to see him over thibs.

[Wildcat]

Alan Hahn pretty much said that they wanted to end this now instead of kicking the tires and having to fire Tom mid season, which would be disastrous.

I hate to keep going back to Game 6 versus Boston, but something wasn't right man. The look on Jalen's face when he was telling Tom to take everyone out spoke a thousand words.

I 100%, believe that Jalen knew well before we lost that Tom was done. That's why he lashed out at that reporter for asking that question. That was the first time I've ever seen him lose his composure like that. He knew, and it probably hurt like hell.

This situation sucks but I think all parties involved moved forward for the greater good of the team

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

Thibs and Donte had that layup exchange. Afterwards, Donte was absolutely talking to Rick because he was talking directly to the bench. Thibs was by the scorers table. And after he hits his free throw, he looks directly at Rick.

I think Bryant leaving had nothing to do with money and all to do with opportunity and Mitchell.

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[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

yeah, but some of it was about rick, right? there was a daddy comment in there.

rick wasn't coming to see him over thibs.

I dunno, I'm going by what Donte said here:

Watch on YouTube

"I was talking to Thibs"

I think Rick thought Donte was getting at him.

After Josh Hart openly discussed how Donte tried to murder him in college with 10lb weight plate, I'm glad cooler heads prevailed

[omerome]

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So true. Hard to say that Thibs was insane because he is a great basketball mind, but he fit the definition of the word to a T.

Our entire playoff run (or let's be real, most of the season), I was unsure and uncertain what this team was. Were we a good offensive team? Because some nights we'd struggle to score. Were we a good defensive team? Because many nights we'd leave three-point shooters open or miss so many defensive assignments.

So the question was, what were we? A head coach is supposed to, at least, identify the type of team he has and play to their strengths. But again, what were our strengths? And since it was so hard to figure that out, it was time for him to go.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, listen, that Game 6 ish was highly unusual. Like, he shot down Rick about 3 or 4 times. Sorry, man, but that's embarrassing, and hard to justify.

I keep saying this and I'm not even joking about it. Bryant was like the Thibs whisperer last season. I really, really liked last year's Thibs. This year, I don't know, man. Maybe he hated that Rick was promoted to assistant or something? Maybe Rick has more pull than we think? Kind of contextualizes Donte's blow up at Rick. Or I'm just looking at smoke and mirrors.

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

Thibs and Donte had that layup exchange. Afterwards, Donte was absolutely talking to Rick because he was talking directly to the bench. Thibs was by the scorers table. And after he hits his free throw, he looks directly at Rick.

I think Bryant leaving had nothing to do with money and all to do with opportunity and Mitchell.

See my response to JVG re: Donte vs Rick

I forgot that Bryant and Spida are tight.

I still would have made him the highest paid assistant in the league and waited patiently

[Capn'O]

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So true. Hard to say that Thibs was insane because he is a great basketball mind, but he fit the definition of the word to a T.

Our entire playoff run (or let's be real, most of the season), I was unsure and uncertain what this team was. Were we a good offensive team? Because some nights we'd struggle to score. Were we a good defensive team? Because many nights we'd leave three-point shooters open or miss so many defensive assignments.

So the question was, what were we? A head coach is supposed to, at least, identify the type of team he has and play to their strengths. But again, what were our strengths? And since it was so hard to figure that out, it was time for him to go.

I kept saying it throughout the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The personnel didn't fit the coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What you're talking about is the result!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff Van Gully]

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

yeah, but some of it was about rick, right? there was a daddy comment in there.

rick wasn't coming to see him over thibs.

I dunno, I'm going by what Donte said here:

Watch on YouTube

"I was talking to Thibs"

I think Rick thought Donte was getting at him.

After Josh Hart openly discussed how Donte tried to murder him in college with 10lb weight plate, I'm glad cooler heads prevailed

yeah. i remember that. generally to thibs, but about rick at times.

"let dad be the coach."

[Wildcat]

Donte was cussing at Tom, not Rick. He told Rick that as they were getting separated.

I don't know how much sway Rick has outside of being Jalen's Dad. I would like to know though.

Also, I would have asked Dolan to cough up top dollar to keep Bryant employed. We could have had a transition to him from Tom without all this drama.

Thibs and Donte had that layup exchange. Afterwards, Donte was absolutely talking to Rick because he was talking directly to the bench. Thibs was by the scorers table. And after he hits his free throw, he looks directly at Rick.

I think Bryant leaving had nothing to do with money and all to do with opportunity and Mitchell.

See my response to JVG re: Donte vs Rick

I forgot that Bryant and Spida are tight.

I still would have made him the highest paid assistant in the league and waited patiently

Hindsight is 20/20. If he is indeed the next coach, I'm sure his time with Cleveland added some more depths to his thought process as a coach.

[MrDollarBills]

Thibs and Donte had that layup exchange. Afterwards, Donte was absolutely talking to Rick because he was talking directly to the bench. Thibs was by the scorers table. And after he hits his free throw, he looks directly at Rick.

I think Bryant leaving had nothing to do with money and all to do with opportunity and Mitchell.

See my response to JVG re: Donte vs Rick

I forgot that Bryant and Spida are tight.

I still would have made him the highest paid assistant in the league and waited patiently

Hindsight is 20/20. If he is indeed the next coach, I'm sure his time with Cleveland added some more depths to his thought process as a coach.

A year learning under Kenny Atkinson probably leveled him up even more.

Man. I get it. I really do. But just reading this guy's philosophy on hoops makes me think that not hiring him, with this roster, would be a mistake.

I'd take the risk. But I'm not Leon and its not my ass on the line

[MrDollarBills]

yeah, but some of it was about rick, right? there was a daddy comment in there.

rick wasn't coming to see him over thibs.

I dunno, I'm going by what Donte said here:

Watch on YouTube

"I was talking to Thibs"

I think Rick thought Donte was getting at him.

After Josh Hart openly discussed how Donte tried to murder him in college with 10lb weight plate, I'm glad cooler heads prevailed

yeah. i remember that. generally to thibs, but about rick at times.

"let dad be the coach."

Rick probably heard that and was like