[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

[CHARLYMURPHY]

You you better bet that the Heat know who will be the #1 threat from getting to a championship every year.

[K_ick_God]

Wowsers well if you're the Nets, that just happened, didn't it. So much for their strong confidence and so much for these agenda writers pushing Melo to the Nets.

"He [Rose] may want him to go there," one source said. "But Melo doesn't want to be in Jersey. He wants to play in New York."

[Childs2Dudley]

Wowsers well if you're the Nets, that just happened, didn't it. So much for their strong confidence and so much for these agenda writers pushing Melo to NY.

"He [Rose] may want him to go there," one source said. "But Melo doesn't want to be in Jersey. He wants to play in New York."

Is this from the ESPN story?

[K_ick_God]

Wowsers well if you're the Nets, that just happened, didn't it. So much for their strong confidence and so much for these agenda writers pushing Melo to NY.

"He [Rose] may want him to go there," one source said. "But Melo doesn't want to be in Jersey. He wants to play in New York."

Is this from the ESPN story?

Yes sir.

[cleanuphtr24]

50/50 chance we get him now. I have a feeling he's taking a stance behind closed doors that it'll be us one way or another. Here's a question: Would you take back Al Harrington and that awful contract the Nugs signed him to in order to get a deal done? If we did that could we get it done without Fields or Will?

AR for a first

then


Gallo
Curry's expiring
Azu's expiring
Roger Mason's expiring
1st round pick

for

Melo
Al

Do the Nuggets go for that?

Al is a chucker and he would certainly take away from Turiaf's playing time and Will's touches but he could definitely add a prolific scorer off the bench for when Melo/Amar'e need to sit. Thoughts?

[RHODEY]

Wowsers well if you're the Nets, that just happened, didn't it. So much for their strong confidence and so much for these agenda writers pushing Melo to the Nets.

"He [Rose] may want him to go there," one source said. "But Melo doesn't want to be in Jersey. He wants to play in New York."

This was from Monday's chat with Chris Sheridan:

tony (NY)


How will the newly formed Nets be any better than the current Denver roster? I feel as if Caarmelo is getting pressured into this.
Greg (NYC)


There are rumblings that those in Carmelo's inner cirlce are becoming increasingly agitated with Leon Rose's handling of the behind the scenes with Denver. Any truth to this?

Chris Sheridan
(3:00 PM)


Tony and Greg, the biggest mystery to me in all of this is why Leon Rose is trying so hard to get Melo to the Nets when Melo wants to go to the Knicks. It makes ZERO sense if you look at it from the perspective that an agent should be doing what his client wishes him to do.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

AlexKennedyNBA

KimKardashian we need to make this happen @lala LOL! Could u imagine?


Booooo.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I just looked at myself in the mirror and my reflection told me "Thank You". Gott go to sleep on that. Lol

carmeloanthony

What does this mean?
I don't know if I'm liking this.
It almost sounds like...he's come to a decision.

[Starksfor3]

STFU Kim Kardashian. You'll be sleeping with another athlete in another week or so.

[E86]

AlexKennedyNBA

KimKardashian we need to make this happen @lala LOL! Could u imagine?


Booooo.

Huh? they were talking about Dancing with the stars.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Your daily Melopalooza update: As we reported in today's Newsday, the Knicks have been quietly working on putting together a package, and seeking assistance from another team, to jump into the Carmelo Anthony trade talks if things fall apart between the Nuggets and the Nets. As we told you in a Fix post over the weekend, Amar'e absolutely does want Carmelo as a teammate in New York. According to a report by Yahoo! Sports, Stoudemire recently sent a text message to Carmelo to let him know he is wanted in New York. The plan the two discussed in the summer about teaming up in New York to take on the Big Threes in Miami and Boston remains a top priority for Stoudemire, according to a person close to him, but he is not publicly campaigning for it out of respect to both his teammates and to Donnie Walsh. Recall his words to me on Monday when I asked him directly if the plan still was to acquire another star: "No question, absolutely." Shortly afterward, when he heard that Carmelo made a remark that the Knicks were doing well and he didn't think they wanted him to come in and mess up the chemistry -- "That's what I've read," he added -- Stoudemire sent him the message.

Hahn

[cgmw]

Your daily Melopalooza update: As we reported in today's Newsday, the Knicks have been quietly working on putting together a package, and seeking assistance from another team, to jump into the Carmelo Anthony trade talks if things fall apart between the Nuggets and the Nets. As we told you in a Fix post over the weekend, Amar'e absolutely does want Carmelo as a teammate in New York. According to a report by Yahoo! Sports, Stoudemire recently sent a text message to Carmelo to let him know he is wanted in New York. The plan the two discussed in the summer about teaming up in New York to take on the Big Threes in Miami and Boston remains a top priority for Stoudemire, according to a person close to him, but he is not publicly campaigning for it out of respect to both his teammates and to Donnie Walsh. Recall his words to me on Monday when I asked him directly if the plan still was to acquire another star: "No question, absolutely." Shortly afterward, when he heard that Carmelo made a remark that the Knicks were doing well and he didn't think they wanted him to come in and mess up the chemistry -- "That's what I've read," he added -- Stoudemire sent him the message.

Hahn

I just hope Landry Fields isn't on the table. I could live with losing Gallo, Wilson, and AR. But keep your damn hands off my Landry.

[KnickScoop]

Does anyone have the Chat Transcript from Hahn yesterday? I am restricted access to it here at work...

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Does anyone have the Chat Transcript from Hahn yesterday? I am restricted access to it here at work...

Moderator: Moderator: Good day Knicks fans. The live chat starts at 11 a.m.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 10:07

Phill :
Hey Alan. It's unfortunate that this trade has taken alot of press away from what is already a compelling Knicks team this year, and though the prospect of getting a player like Carmelo is intriguing, how ready areDonnie & Co. for this whole mess to just end so they can actually make improvements to the roster that make sense? And who are the most intriguing leftovers in your opinion? Thanks, and keep up the great work.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:00
Moderator: Hey Phil. My question to you is, how ready is this franchise to go from middle-of-the-pack status to legit championship contender? Amar'e is 28. Walsh will be 70 in March. Clock's ticking. You've waited two years for cap space and flexibility and to have assets to make a big trade like this. Why back off now because you're almost as good as the Atlanta Hawks?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:03

MattyMoods :
Not excited about any point guards available by trade during the season, but late in the first round you can pluck a gem at the position and have an inexpensive option that you control for a few years. Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson to name a few, any players we can hope for in the 2011 draft and do you think that is a good direction to go? Kemba Walker, Josh Delby, Brandon Knight?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:04
Moderator: Sorry Matty...way way waaaaay too early for me to even try to pretend I know anything about any of the players coming out in the upcoming draft.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:04
Moderator: I mean late first rouners.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:05

Mike :
Hi Alan, I've been keeping a close watch of all the Melo talk, and to me I still believe he won't agree to the extention, but, if he did, I kind of think it would be a blessing in disguise. We would have ample amount of cap room (pending cap stays around the same), wouldn't that money be better used to add a couple of pieces like a center, pg, and/or depth to our bench. I was thinking maybe like Tyson Chandler, TJ Ford or a shooter like Macro Belinelli and of course resigning Wilson, all of these guys are going to be FA this year. What are your thoughts?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:05
Moderator: You're right, Mike, in a way it's a bit of a win-win situation for the Knicks because you obviously add a significant player in Carmelo if you get him, but if you don't, you have tons of flexibility to build up your roster in other ways via free agency. I still want to see what the new CBA brings before I start projecting what kind of cap space the Knicks will actually have, but you're correct in thinking that either way, the Knicks can improve. And that's really what Donnie Walsh had in mind.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:07

david :
Who would the knicks really give up for Melo? Wilson , Danilo and Landry??? Don't see the NYK having the assets to get him. Do they even want to break up this team? Wait until FA to get somebody
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:07
Moderator: At this point Denver hasn't told the Knicks what players they would want so the Knicks don't even know. But I think it's safe to say that if the Nuggets did offer names, none would be dealbreakers. Do they want to break up this team? No, of course not. Their best-case scenario is to sign Carmelo as a free agent, but his reps don't want him to go into free agency because with the uncertainty of a new CBA, they're afraid he's going to lose millions. And if he loses millions, they lose tens of thousands. So they have a stake in this, too.
One scenario I think the Knicks would welcome -- and perhaps, Denver -- is if another team traded for him without the extension. Bring him in as a mercenary for a championship run and then trade him on draft night in an extend-and-trade. I thought Houston might consider this, but with Yao down it's very unlikely now. Dallas would be the perfect candidate, but they have even less to offer Denver in a trade.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:11

DANNY :
I DONT THINK ANTHONY WANTS TO GO TO THE NETS OR HE WOULD OF SIGN OFF ON THE TRADE ALREADY WHY WOULD HE GO THERE . THERE NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DENVER IS RIGHT NOW WOULD HE WANT TO GO TO A CONTENDER AND WHAT ARE THE CHANCE OF HIM COMING TO NEW YORK WHERE HE REALLY WANTS TO BE
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:11
Alan: That shouldn't say "Moderator" by the way. My bad....
Hey Danny. I kind of agree with you on that but we don't know for sure. Again, money is the issue here. Melo has to consider the millions he could lose if he doesn't get an extension now. But you're right, going to NJ doesn't immediately upgrade his situation. But I do think there's great potential in the Nets franchise once it moves to Brooklyn. That could be a really good brand.
In the end, it'll be about money and whether or not winning a chip matters to him.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:14

Mike S :
How has AR looked in practice? I'm curious because I've heard the rumors that we can get a first rounder for him and all, but he is still 21, do you think he can be a contributor to this team at some point this season or next? Or would it be stupid to pass up an opportunity to get a first rounder when you can?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:14

Mike S :
I've also been reading up on trade rumors that the Wolves want AR, any chance we could get Rubio back in return (huge Rubio supporter)? That's really the only asset other than a 1st rounder the T-Wolves have to offer the Knicks.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:14
Alan: Randolph puts in the usual work. I don't know what it is about his game, though. I've said this from the first practice of the season: what is he? I don't really know and I'm not sure he does, either. He's not strong enough to be a center, but doesn't hustle enough to be a PF and doesn't have the range to be a three. So what is he? I just watch him for his motor when I get to watch scrimmages and at times he flies down the court and at other times he jogs. Maybe it's just who he is, his personality, there's an aloofness about him. But at 21, with his length and athleticism and skill set, you still have to believe with the right amount of coaching and practice and film, he'll get it. I think they could get a first rounder for him, sure.
I don't see Rubio as a Knick right now. There was great interest and I think there remains interest, but it's not a priority and for David Kahn, his intention is to have Rubio start his NBA career in Minny. So we'll see.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:18

Jonathan :
Hi Alan...long time fan of yours and of the Knicks from Long Island now living in Buenos Aires! Here´s the question: Assuming that Melo is dealt to another team and signs extension with them, do you think the next step in the knicks´ team build will be measured and patient (in other words, waiting for free agency next year to make moves), or will Donnie jump into the fray this season to upgrade even if it forfeits some precious cap space (e.g. acquiring Camby, for instance). Thanks!
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:18
Alan: Yes, Jonathan from Buenos Aires, I remember you from past chats. Loyal, long distance Fixer. I don't think you'll ever see Donnie Walsh make any impetuous moves. He is an extremely calculated -- almost excruciatingly -- general manager who usually waits until the last minute to pull off a deal. So if Melo is off the table, I don't expect he'll respond with a rash of moves for the sake of making trades. That doesn't mean he doesn't already have some things on deck -- I know they've been involved in the usual window shopping that comes this time of year -- but again, I don't see any knee-jerk reactions from Walsh.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:22

Fats :
Seems Leon Rose is pushing Melo to the Nets hard...why would his agent push him to NJ if he wants to play for the Knicks, Rip Hamilton surely can't be the key to happiness (or winning) with the Nets?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:22
Alan: I can't answer that factually, but I can only speculate that the agent doesn't see a deal with the Knicks happening so he wants to push for the best possible trade to make sure his client gets 1. the New York market, 2. the extension before the new CBA. This is about money. And Rip and Melo are friends, so that would make him happy. Playing in Brooklyn isn't really a negative here. Considering the lockout, Melo might only have to play two halves of a season in Newark (this year and shortened season next year) before the move to the BK.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:24

B :
the Game vs Lakers shows that in addition to a defensive C, this team needs another scorer.. If not Melo, who could that scorer be? Or are they going to rely on Gallo coming back 100% and being that scorer?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:25
Alan: Well, yeah, they expect Gallinari to continue to grow into a scoring role. Let's not forget he's 22 and in his third season. I mean he's Italian, so he knows Rome wasn't built in a day, OK *Hubie Brown voice* But there has always been a belief that Gallinari has the potential to be a rock solid No. 2 scorer. It just may not happen on the timetable you'd like for it to happen. Wilson Chandler has also shown signs of being able to provide major offense. So between Wil and Gallo, you have 30 points per game of offense. Is that enough?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:27

VINCE :
PLEASE SAY THE KNICKS BRASS ARE WORKING ON A DEAL FOR MELO BEING THAT THE NUGGETS MADE A THREAT TO SEND MELO TO KNICKS?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:27
Alan: The Knicks brass are working n a deal for Melo being that the Nuggets made a thraet to send Melo to Knicks. There, I said it. I refuse to shout it in all caps, though.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:28
Alan: I can't type
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:28

Jon :
Hi Alan. Apologies in advance for the long lead...I know it seems like the teams and even Melo's agents are highly motivated to get a trade done, but a number of the quotes that came Melo during Denver's practice yesterday seemed to indicate that he has no present intention of accepting a trade to New Jersey even if one gets done. For instance, Melo was asked what he would say if presented with going to NJ: "After that meeting, I'll let you know how the meeting went.'' And Melo was asked why he thinks there will be no trade this week "That's just my feeling. I don't think so. I don't want to elaborate on that.'' Yes, those are cryptic comments, but they don't seem like the words of someone chomping at the bit to get to Jersey. My question: Is that just posturing by Melo, or is it really possible that these teams and even his representation are trying to arrange this trade without his involvement? If so, given the leverage he has, why is he allowing that to happen?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:28
Alan: Put yourself in Carmelo's situation right now....and don't linger too long about the benefit of waking up each morning next to the beautiful Lala...and consider all that is coming down on him right now. Denver fans booed him the night before. Speculation is rampant. Deep down he really would like to be a Knick and call the Garden home and be on the level with LeBron, Wade and those guys. He lost his sister only a few weeks ago, which is also weighing on him. His agents are throwing CBA facts at him, about how much money he could stand to lose if he just played out the season. He doesn't want to be the bad guy, like LeBron. People were just starting to like him again, just starting to appreciate his game. And now this....
I think part of him was just playing with the media, answering questions coyly mainly because he doesn't have any real answers and he knows anything he says will be used against him.
I kind of wonder if he feels like he can trust anyone right now. I know I wouldn't. Not when there's money involved. People aren't out for your best interests when it involves money they may lose.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:33

Mat :
Hey Alan, are the knicks trying to stay (or get) capped out by the end of the season so they can use the Mid-Level Exception? That of course is if the knicks are satisfied with Ray at the point for the future...
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:33
Alan: There won't be an MLE this summer because the current CBA will expire on June 30 and no one expects the MLE to return in the next agreement.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:33

rcoolc :
What have you noticed about the flow of the game without Gallo?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:33
Alan: Nothing that stands out. I think Shawne Williams adds a different dimension because he can knock down that corner three, whereas Gallo isn't as comfortable there as he is at the 45. I think what we're seeing is that the Knicks have enough depth at wing to endure this injury, which is a positive.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:35

Jon :
What do you think the Knicks' plan B is in the even that Melo goes to NJ? Are they going to still maintain the cap space to pursue players in free agency, or are they more likely to make a trade before the deadline that uses up some or all of the '11 space, but puts the team in better position to make noise in the playoffs? If the team is planning on holding onto Chandler, does that mean that Gallo has become more expendable?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:35
Alan: I don't think they trade for someone that will eat up their 2011 cap space unless that person is a significant upgrade to the starting lineup. You don't just throw big names in there and think that'll work. That's what the previous regime did. This will be calculated with everything considered.
And you raise a very, very good question, Jon: with Wilson playing so well, would the Knicks use Gallo as an asset?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:37

Nick :
Seems like D'Antoni is coming around on Mosgov...Any chance we see him tonight in Portland?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:37
Alan: Possibly, but not sure. Mike was quick to point out that Mozgov remains very much in their plans and they felt like that had to go away from him for a while not only for the benefit of the team on the court, but to him. They've continued to work with him on the side and in film and he's responded well. So much potential in him because of his agility and length and he's smart.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:39

Joe :
Hey Alan, what D2 program did you play for? Give us some details
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:39
Alan: Well, first of all "play" is a bit of a stretch, unless you're talking about practice. I played at C.W. Post on Long Island. Eight games into my career I tore up my knee and the following year tore it up again. Good times. I'm a training room legend. No one worked the Cybex machine like me.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:40

Mike M :
Alan - RANDOM question, but this has been bothering me for weeks. Normally, at home games, the Knicks go from left to right during the second half of games. However, during the game against Toronto when Felton hit that 3 that bounced on the rim 20 times, they were going right to left. Why was that? Am I crazy? Not Ron Artest crazy, though, just normal crazy.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:40
Alan: No, you're not crazy. Road team chooses which way the game goes. Most choose to force the home team away from their bench in the second half to make it harder to hear coaching instructions on offense. Toronto opted to have their offense in front of their bench for second half for what I would guess has to do with the Raps wanting to have their offense in front of the bench. It's a young team.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:43

Al :
Hey Alan I hope that when gallinars contract is up they dont resign him because we need someone with more potential than him if he is resigned we will all know that its because it was his old team mates son
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:43
Alan: OK, Mike M isn't crazy, but you, Al, you are.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:43

Dan :
Hi Alan - would you agree that if not for the upcoming CBA expiration, the Nets would have little to no chance of making this Melo deal? I would think the only thing motivating him to agree to extend with the Nets is the potential loss of $$ after the new CBA if he waits for free agency. The idea that the Nets are more appealing to him now with the addition of Billups and Hamilton is a joke. Also, what do you think about this Nuggets "threat" to trade him to the Knicks?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:44
Alan: That's speculating. I think the Nets have assets to make a deal, period. Billy King did a great job of collecting the assets he'd need. Obviously Denver doesn't want to experience a Cleveland/Toronto/Phoenix scenario of losing their star player in free agency for almost nothing, so they're motivated to move him while he has value (before trade deadline). So regardless of CBA, I think Melo would be moved. What matters is that he might not agree to extensions with anyone if the CBA wasn't expiring because he knows he could get that money as a free agent. So that's what changes things a bit.
I don't know about any "threat" other than what I read and, to me, it sounds like more posturing. I mean, you're mad that a team is leaking information so you leak this threat? Amateur hour.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:47

Sal :
Is Turiaf playing good? With his style of play, its hard to tell
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:47
Alan: I like what he brings as a backup center off the bench. Great energy and passion and effort. He's a ball mover and doesn't ever stand still. I think some games he gets lost in the rotation because of the need for offense and perimeter scoring. But I love him as a backup center.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:48

NYK Mike :
You've mentioned in past chats that Marc Gasol would be a great option for the Knicks, since they desperately need a center alongside Amare (that LA game proved that no way in hell they can compete against the upper-elechon teams with the size they currently have) Is Gasol a realistic option? I noticed that he is a RFA...so what would we have to do to acquire him? And don't you think Ty Chandler is a better option since he's unrestricted?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:48
Alan: I've been told by a guy I know with the Grizzlies that Marc Gasol won't even be an option, so it's moot. The Griz want to give him an extension and would definitely match anything offered by another team. They're looking to unload OJ Mayo and will let Zach Randolph go as a free agent just to save some money so they can afford to give Gasol his extension. They won't lose another Gasol. So it's a nice thought, but I'm saying in Jan. 2011, the Knicks won't have a chance to even sign him to an offer sheet. Feel free to use this against me when the new CBA is done and free agency opens, whenever that is.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:51

swayze :
Hey Alan, you quoted Donnie today saying "No question. Absolutely." when talking about grabbing another star to play along side Amar'e. So if the Knicks miss out on Melo, what do you think their next move is?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:51
Alan: No, I didn't quote Donnie saying that today. I quoted Amar'e saying that.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:51

Frank :
The Miami Three took less than the max to play together. What are the chances that Amare would think about giving up some of his contract to offset what Melo might lose under the CBA?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:52
Alan: I don't believe Amar'e can do that because the contract is what it is and the cap hit doesn't change. I'd have to check with Larry Coon, but I don't see it.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:53

Ben :
If the knicks don't get Camelo do they trade Curry's contract or let it expire and get someone in free agency??
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:53
Alan: Depends on what they could get for Curry's contract before the deadline. Might be better if they just let it melt off the payroll and open up cap space for free agency.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:54

FastAttax :
How close is this deal w/the Nets and I'm surprised Harrington's money is an obstacle for the Nets at this point. Why is Rubio on the market?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:54
Alan: From what I understand, the Nets-Pistons-Nuggets deal was in the works, but I never got the sense it was close to being completed. Not that it won't, just saying I never got the sense from people I trust that it was imminent. Denver wants to clear as much money as they can, which makes sense. Harrington doesn't make sense for a rebuilding roster so if they can move him, they will. Would the Knicks welcome him back? Sure, why not? And he'd be happy about that.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:56

sam02well :
Newbie Fixer and die hard Knicks fan but sorry if we don't get Melo we become the Knicks of the 90's with a all star Big Man (Ewing) and a weak supporting case in comparison. Miami has set the bar really high for years to come and Melo on the Nets waters down the conference and helps the Heat. Your Thoughts
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:56
Alan: You and I kind of think alike, though I think it's a stretch to call the 1990s supporting cast "weak". Just "not enough" is more accurate. Amar'e could wind up just like Patrick. Close, but not enough.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:58

Kiki :
Does Carmelo really fill a need for the Knicks? They put up 130 against the Spurs recently. Do they need another scorer??
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:58
Alan: Hmm, did Wade and Bosh really need LeBron?
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:59
Moderator: Moderator: Hi all. This is our final question. Thanks for stopping by today and we apologize for not getting an opportunity to answer all questions. As in the past, many people joined the chat today and we have too many questions submitted to answer in the allotted time.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 11:59

Mike from Jersey :
What was up with Felton during the Lakers game? I've never seen him so careless with the ball. Does he have an injury, or did the pressure just get to him? This worries me because he played awful in the playoffs last year for Charlotte, and we need him to be great to make any sort of noise in May.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 12:01
Alan: There's nothing wrong with Felton. He's been terrific, but obviously there are areas of his game that still need to be fixed. Taking care of the ball is one area. A few times he tossed balls up at the rim that were supposed to be alley-oops, but the oop-er didn't know it so it looked really bad. Credit the Lakers, too. Derek Fisher is a tough defender and Shannon Brown makes life difficult, too. Raymond is playing with a wrap on his left hand, but it hasn't been a major factor. Remember, he had a triple-double the previous game.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 12:03
Moderator: Moderator: Thanks all.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 12:03
Alan: Thanks as always Fixers. Enjoy the game tonight.
Tuesday January 11, 2011 12:03

[jstudabaka]

Checked the last few pages, didn't find this tweet anywhere:

Chris Broussard via Twitter (20 seconds ago):

Den, NJ, Det could be working feverishly for nothing. Sources say Melo has never told anyone, not even his reps, he's willing to sign in NJ

The Nets/Nuggets seriously are buffoons if that's true. You're going to go nuts haggling about the finespun details of a 4-team mega-deal and not even know if it's all for naught?

[delvec19]

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JS ... =1.2602646

[KnickScoop]

Thanks Blackfeet

[SpReEfOrAlL]

If it's me I still don't give them both Gallo and Chandler. You just don't. I don't care if one of them come off the bench. At the very least you save one of them to get another needed piece. And you definitely don't give up Fields. Gallo or chandler, AR, and Curry. That's what they get. You pass if they say no.

[Falstaffxx]

oh ****!!!! I see it now!!! ahahah I got retweeted by Melo!! I'm famous

lol just seen that. nice work

haha I got the word Knick and Clydes picture up on his page, it's a sign! .. had a feeling i may get that one retweeted if he saw it lol

GJ! Who says one person can't make a difference?

[klemen4]

In all this Melodrama, I would like to once again present my idea of NY trade I mentioned few days ago. Now also the numbers are double checked, so this is the final version:


In NJN-DEN-DET trade DEN saves around 12 mil in salaries and 12 mio in luxury tax. They send out around 34 mil in contracts, incoming around 22 mil. That is why Billups is in the trade, for savings.

So 24 mil savings.

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Let say that NY takes Melo+Harrington+Balkman+2 small contracts. That is around 26 mil going out. For trade to work they must take in at least 19,5+ mil. So there is only 6,5 mil savings for Den, plus 6,5 mil in luxury tax.

So only 13 mil savings...

Like this trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4nmnt2p

Curry,Azubuike,Mason,Gallinari,Fields, uta 2011 pick, ny 2013 pick
FOR
Anthony,Harrington,Balkman, Carter, Ely

....but Curry contact is 50% payed, on the other hand there is trade kicker, Azubuike 80% insurance covered. So additional savings would be around 4 mil on Curry and 2,6 mil on Azubuike. Lets say max 6,6 mil best case scenario.

So that is 19,6 mil savings.

Now where to get them additional savings. Here MIN comes in. Being under the cap they can take contract, to do that NY has to give them AR.

So MIN should be included in a trade and the trade expand to this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=5rpmet6

MIN AR,Walker,JR Smith, 3 mil form NY
NY Telfair, Uta 2011 first(goes to DEN)
DEN /

Here Den saves additional 6,7 mil on Smith salary and 6,7 in luxury tax.

Now final DEN saving in NY trade are 33 mil. Plus lets not forget they would be just bellow luxury tax line of 70 mil meaning they also would get around 3 mil form the league at the end of the year. So when calculated everything savings for Denver would be 36 mil.

So comparing NJN and NY deal it looks like this:

Savings:
- 36 mil NY deal Vs. 24 mil NJN deal
Players:
- Gallinari,Field,Walker Vs. Favors,Morrow,Harris
Picks:
- NY 2013, UTA 2011 Vs. (best case) = NJN 2011 lottery, GSW lottery

Still NJN has a better package because of higher picks and Harris that will be traded for another prospect, but also look at the savings. It is close, but...