official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #921 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:19 am

god shammgod wrote:the wild card is dolan deciding he won't let phil buy melo out. he can claim it's a financial decision not a basketball one and so would be within the rights of his agreement with phil to interfere.

I don't see Dolan interfering.

WargamesX · Post #922 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:22 am

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
K-DOT wrote:If we buyout Melo, do we have to pay his salary next year too?
Or is that something we negotiate with him

we do. he's not giving up money in a buyout.

he would obviously have to give up something. Otherwise there is no benefit for a buyout. What's melo's other play. Stay here. What if they put him on the bench.

I think mutually they would have to agree to something.

I think they should just bench him......

Post #923 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:30 am

Thugger HBC wrote:A buyout doesn't sound like a bad option. Cavs especially have nothing worth wanting in a trade. Just get the rebuild fully underway, and hopefully the young guns can develop into solid players, all-star hopefully.

i happen to agree. It's to a point our return seems to be very minimal and I don't want to take on crappy contracts. At this point we need to start fresh.

GEOLINK · Post #924 » by **GEOLINK** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:36 am

Phil did a **** up job. He could've of just set a private meeting with Melo during last season and told him the plans for 2017-2018.

Instead he created this mess with a stupid tweet and now he can't trade him for assets...

Since we're in the season of buying out. How about we buy out Noah while we're at it.

Jeffrey · Post #925 » by **Jeffrey** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:33 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:A buyout doesn't sound like a bad option. Cavs especially have nothing worth wanting in a trade. Just get the rebuild fully underway, and hopefully the young guns can develop into solid players, all-star hopefully.

i happen to agree. It's to a point our return seems to be very minimal and I don't want to take on crappy contracts. At this point we need to start fresh.

I find it hard to believe that we can't even trade for Channing Frye, Shumpert and Jefferson (non guaranteed) plus a future first round or two.

Frye is still valuable... a stretch 4 that can hit 40+% and he is a vet that needs leadership

Shumpert deal might be a bit long but his deal ends the day Noah's contract ends. I'm also sure he has some sort of value for a guy that is an above defender

Jefferson is a non guarantee. Just cut him.

Post #926 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:45 am

Jeffrey wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:A buyout doesn't sound like a bad option. Cavs especially have nothing worth wanting in a trade. Just get the rebuild fully underway, and hopefully the young guns can develop into solid players, all-star hopefully.

i happen to agree. It's to a point our return seems to be very minimal and I don't want to take on crappy contracts. At this point we need to start fresh.

I find it hard to believe that we can't even trade for Channing Frye, Shumpert and Jefferson (non guaranteed) plus a future first round or two.

Frye is still valuable... a stretch 4 that can hit 40+% and he is a vet that needs leadership

Shumpert deal might be a bit long but his deal ends the day Noah's contract ends. I'm also sure he has some sort of value for a guy that is an above defender

Jefferson is a non guarantee. Just cut him.

I'd rather cut him than take that offer back.

Bill Pidto · Post #927 » by **Bill Pidto** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:53 am

god shammgod wrote:i gotta admit though, golden state vs bron, kyrie, george, melo, wade.....well damn....that's like some marvel comics sh*t. i'd watch the hell out of that.

Same here. And logic says it pretty much has to happen. LeBron isn't just gonna go into this next season practically conceding the championship to GS. He's gotta call on his super friends.

Post #928 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:59 am

So if we cut him, we get get charged with his cap space for 2 years?

Why can't we just get a 1st from the Cavs for a protected 2nd from us on the condition that we release Melo (unspoken agreement)?

HEZI · Post #929 » by **HEZI** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:03 am

What kind of contract could the Cavs even offer him? A minimum?

Jalen Bluntson · Post #930 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:09 am

Savageknick2190 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Why does he want to stay? If he does, knowing it's a rebuild, he should be ok "coming off the bench". As much as Phil did some fuqery, the writing is on the wall. Time to rebuild. Where does he fit in those plans? He wants to win. It's not happening here. Move on already. Let us get some of value back we spent getting you here. GROW UP

Grow Up

Carmelo is grown. Grown enough to negotiate a no trade clause so that he could stay and raise his children in the city he prefers / loves. He has the right to never waive that clause because Phil Jackson gave it to him. If you want to blame anyone blame Phil. If the team wants to bench him fine very unlikely but they would only be hurting themselves. Not only is he the best player by far even at his advanced age and declining skill but he is also the Players Union Vice President. If you treat one of the heads of their union in any type of unfair manner there will be repercussions for the franchise getting free agents.

Smart enough to lock himself into a rebuild? That makes no sense. If he wants to win he needs to leave. If not...Oh well. Take your 25-28 minutes a night and opt out next year. No reason for the Knicks to pay him to leave. They paid him more than enough since he's been here and a pretty good haul to get him here. HE forced the trade. Now he wants to force a buyout? Selfish much?

WesleyExChiFan · Post #931 » by **WesleyExChiFan** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:12 am

PorzinGAWD wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
we do. he's not giving up money in a buyout.

he would obviously have to give up something. Otherwise there is no benefit for a buyout. What's melo's other play. Stay here. What if they put him on the bench.

I think mutually they would have to agree to something.

I think they should just bench him......

Benching Melo would turn the entire NBAPA and every agent against the Knicks. That's how Hinkie got forced out. No agents wanted to deal with him so they had to bring in Coangelo, whom agents will deal with.

Phil has lost the respect of too many people around the league as it is. He just needs to stop speaking publicly for the most part.

And when he does speak he needs to talk like a GM and not a coach.

Battery · Post #932 » by **Battery** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:14 am

KnicksGod wrote:So if we cut him, we get get charged with his cap space for 2 years?

Why can't we just get a 1st from the Cavs for a protected 2nd from us on the condition that we release Melo (unspoken agreement)?

Unspoken agreements are a serious offense if you get caught. Remember the T-Wolves with Joe Smith? Different situation but the NBA would probably come down hard on both teams because other owners would complain. In this case, how do you explain trading a #1 for a protected 2nd?

ctorres · Post #933 » by **ctorres** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:14 am

So the Cavs may potentially have Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Lebron James, and Carmelo Anthony?

Knox · Post #934 » by **Knox** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:24 am

ctorres wrote:So the Cavs may potentially have Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Lebron James, and Carmelo Anthony?

Is this based on two buyouts ?

sushibear · Post #935 » by **sushibear** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:28 am

Trade or a buy out is how I see it. Anthony being here next season only does more harm than good at this point. Phil isn't going anywhere any time soon. This drama needs to end. Peace out melo

Jeffrey · Post #936 » by **Jeffrey** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:33 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
i happen to agree. It's to a point our return seems to be very minimal and I don't want to take on crappy contracts. At this point we need to start fresh.

I find it hard to believe that we can't even trade for Channing Frye, Shumpert and Jefferson (non guaranteed) plus a future first round or two.

Frye is still valuable... a stretch 4 that can hit 40+% and he is a vet that needs leadership

Shumpert deal might be a bit long but his deal ends the day Noah's contract ends. I'm also sure he has some sort of value for a guy that is an above defender

Jefferson is a non guarantee. Just cut him.

I'd rather cut him than take that offer back.

What is the point of cutting without getting anything back? If they were to give us a 2022 pick top 2 protected. I would take that.

Savageknick2190 · Post #937 » by **Savageknick2190** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:40 am

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Savageknick2190 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Why does he want to stay? If he does, knowing it's a rebuild, he should be ok "coming off the bench". As much as Phil did some fuqery, the writing is on the wall. Time to rebuild. Where does he fit in those plans? He wants to win. It's not happening here. Move on already. Let us get some of value back we spent getting you here. GROW UP

Grow Up

Carmelo is grown. Grown enough to negotiate a no trade clause so that he could stay and raise his children in the city he prefers / loves. He has the right to never waive that clause because Phil Jackson gave it to him. If you want to blame anyone blame Phil. If the team wants to bench him fine very unlikely but they would only be hurting themselves. Not only is he the best player by far even at his advanced age and declining skill but he is also the Players Union Vice President. If you treat one of the heads of their union in any type of unfair manner there will be repercussions for the franchise getting free agents.

Smart enough to lock himself into a rebuild? That makes no sense. If he wants to win he needs to leave. If not...Oh well. Take your 25-28 minutes a night and opt out next year. No reason for the Knicks to pay him to leave. They paid him more than enough since he's been here and a pretty good haul to get him here. HE forced the trade. Now he wants to force a buyout? Selfish much?

Melo isnt forcing the Knicks to do anything. He will play to the terms of the contract that he signed. If the Knicks want to play him five minutes per games or bench him that is up to them. He has forced them to do nothing. They know what their options are. Find somewhere he wants to go or buy him out. Very simple.

Jay10 · Post #938 » by **Jay10** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:50 am

ctorres wrote:So the Cavs may potentially have Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Lebron James, and Carmelo Anthony?

and it can actually be a starting lineup

PG = Kyrie
SG = Wade
SF = George
PF = Carmelo
C = Lebron

:lol:

sushibear · Post #939 » by **sushibear** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:55 am

Jay10 wrote:
ctorres wrote:So the Cavs may potentially have Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Lebron James, and Carmelo Anthony?

and it can actually be a starting lineup

Kyrie = Point Guard
Wade - Shooting Guard
PG = Small Forward
Carmelo = Power Forward
Lebron = Center

Wade and melo isn't the same. Kyrie is a liability on defense. PG and lebron looks good on paper but they both play the same position. That's still easy work for the dubs.

GEOLINK · Post #940 » by **GEOLINK** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:55 am

Jay10 wrote:
ctorres wrote:So the Cavs may potentially have Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Paul George, Lebron James, and Carmelo Anthony?

and it can actually be a starting lineup

PG = Kyrie
SG = Wade
SF = George
PF = Carmelo
C = Lebron

SMH

If anything, I'll be happy for Melo and him being reunited with either Shump or JR again. But this lineup is complete NBA 2K fantasy draft bullsh*t.