WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[K_ick_God]

If Willy gets only 2 2nds then what is Frank worth right now, 1 2nd?

[TrueWarrior]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

What is that supposed to mean

It means hes another clown GM until further notice, whether he has brown freckled skin or not. Same goes for Mills. Dont give a sh*t if somebody’s skin is neon green. All of Isiah’s “diversity” was lovely too btw.

But I know you want to virtue signal, so go ahead. Chant “Diversity is our strength” until you fall asleep every night lol.

This team is a JOKE.

[Synciere]

DP

[Synciere]

DP

[Grinditout]

HONestly this is pretty for value for what he played like this season. Obviously he still has potential, but it’s a pretty 50/50 deal to me. I think a lot of you are overestimated his value around the league.

[EchelonNYK]

Man asks for a trade. Gets traded. Knicks fans gets out their tiki torches and protest.

[GONYK]

Is 25 vs 23 really the difference between young and old? I personally don’t think so. But I’ll give up a toe to be either age again.


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Kanter hasn't improved in 4 years and Willy was last seen as a rookie. That's the big difference here. If Kanter improved I wouldn't mind but as it is he's already capped out at the age of 25 and his deal is up this year. Willy was coming off a 1st team all rookie year with another 3 years on the most team friendly deal imaginable.

The big difference is their price tag. That's Willy's only advantage over Kanter.

[Loisl]

Moving a low-risk asset for garbage is beyond my understanding. That's not how you conduct business.
I'm officially done being a knicks fan. Enough is enough. 24 years of my "fan"-life wasted. Have fun guys.

Of all the stuff that's happened since 2000 and THIS is what makes you stop being a fan? Not the Curry trade, the Noah signing, the entire 2000's losing, the sexual harassment lawsuit, the Bargnani trade, the Melo saga, McDyess, Francis, Phil even entertaining trading KP, etc. etc?

It's everything... This move is just the last straw that breaks the camel's back. Seems like I've reached my limit.

[Fury]

But we have diversity in our front office!!! DIVERSITY!!!!!!!!!!

Perry is another clown.

What is that supposed to mean

It means hes another clown GM until further notice, whether he has brown freckled skin or not. Same goes for Mills. Dont give a sh*t if somebody’s skin is neon green. All of Isiah’s “diversity” was lovely too btw.

But I know you want to virtue signal, so go ahead. Chant “Diversity is our strength” until you fall asleep every night lol.

This team is a JOKE.

Most people thought the move sucked, but don’t see what skin color has anything to do with it. Only you brought it up

[thebuzzardman]

It's so early in the process (his career, the season) to give that sort of leverage.

I know there are unwritten rules to stay in the good graces of agents and players, but...stomaching this package in return must mean that things were so FUBAR that Perry felt that no other move would have salvaged the situation.

With any other explanation, it's awful. Giving up an asset before exercising all other options is foolish.

This is basically my main complaint. What was the big hurry? To free up that 1.5 million? Dolan probably has gilded toilet seats in his mansion that cost more than that.

He publicly demanded a trade. I can only imagine what was said behind the scenes. And trading him to that team stinks of spite. I think there’s more to this than we know.


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Agreed.

This smacks of a Dolan demanded move, where he was unhappy with negativity in the papers. I posted this somewhere in here today. It makes sense. We sort of forgot for a while who still owns the team. Dolan took his hands off a little because he was "wowed" by Phil's star power, but it didn't work out. Wouldn't it make sense Dolan is back hands on stronger than before? I think so. Or at least in terms of certain things, and PR is a BIG deal for Dolan.

[Synciere]

Remember when Dejuan Blair and Gary Neal didn't get minutes in year 2 because they didn't earn them... No you don't because Gary Neal was still playing 20 mpg in year 2 even as we all started to realize he wasn't good and Dejuan Blair actually got moved into the starting lineup to start his 2nd year based entirely on what he did when he started 15 games midseason during his rookie year. Winning organizations play their young good players. Y'all not in practice so don't tell me about who was or wasn't better than Willy because I refused to believe any C we've had on the roster the last few years has outplayed KOQ and he hasn't been our starter at all.


You're talking about dudes earning minutes in practice. You earn them on the floor. **** practice I play to win and Willy earned those minutes on the floor. IDGAF if Kanter or KOQ were better in practice if I don't want them on the team long term. Every team but NY understands that which is why no rookie who made All Rookie first team ever averaged under 10 mpg and played under 500 minutes (unless they were hurt) in year two. Willy's out here getting that black QB treatment.

If Neal got those minutes from Popovich, in Year One, Two, or Eighty-four, it's because he earned them. I also remember when they let him go too. He earned his minutes right? Why didn't they keep in perpetuity?

You're a dumb **** ain't you? Gary Neal wasn't let go he finished out his whole rookie deal and wasn't resigned because he was like 31 asking for a big payday and he wasn't that good. Even as he wasn't that good he played 21.1, 21.5, and 21.8 mpg in his 3 seasons with the Spurs playing more minutes the more and more he showed he couldn't play. So yes he did keep his minutes in perpetuity because THAT'S HOW PLAYERS GAIN A RHYTHM YOU FOOL. Switch a player's minutes every night and they'll never look good. Lin didn't look good until he got consistent minutes. KOQ looked horrible his last year in Orlando when they stopped giving him his minutes consistently. That's what the hell happens. Willy already proved himself ON THE FLOOR which is what matters. No other team ever has had a first team all rookie player on the roster and opened up their season with 5 DNP - CDs in the first 10 games. PERIOD! NOT ONE! EVER! I swear y'all got brain damage.

None of us are in practice, clearly, but Hornacek came out and said the guys who played were the guys who earned the minutes, and that defense was a major reason why. All the per 36 numbers in the world don't address that.

But he starts the worst defender on the team at C? FOH. Horny is stupid I trust his basketball opinions as much as Phil's. He said Rose was a great player last year. Of course he's going to lie to justify his own dumb decisions. You seriously want me to believe Sessions earned minutes over Frank with his defense? You believe that ****?

And no, you earn minutes in practice. Now all of sudden players and coaches shouldn't care about competing for minutes in camp and practice? You don't GAF about that?! The fcuk?!?!?! No reputable organization does that! Do you hear yourself??? Willy comes in overweight and out of shape: So What!!! He was All Rookie last year!!! LMAAAOOOOOOOOOO

Y'all swear y'all know what happens in practice. You don't. You know what happens on the floor and does Willy look out of shape or like someone not playing well? No. He looks perfectly fine. Last year when I was saying free Willy y'all assumed he sucked in practice but come gametime he's throwing up double doubles and outplaying all but KP and Melo? FOH your logic is all types of backwards. Blair was horrible and stayed his whole first deal with the Spurs consistently getting minutes. Slo Mo is just having his first good season when he's been getting minutes in San Antonio for 4 years consistently and prior to this year never played as well as Willy did last year. Davis Bertans is trash and consistently gets minutes in San Antonio. But nah the Spurs bench dudes when they don't perform according to you who has no facts backing up your claims and no examples but ignores mine.

That's why the Spurs develop young talent and we don't. We give up on players that play well. They don't give up on dudes that are scrubs. They always look to maximize the situation of each individual pick while we throw good talent into the wind. When Willy is averaging 8/7 the rest of the year I don't wanna hear ****.

Now why I gotta be all that?!?!

No one knows what happens in practice, but again, Hirnacek came out and stated the rotation was the way it was with the boys because of defense, and that the guys playing had earned their minutes.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/10/20/what-happened-to-willy-hernangomezs-minutes-with-knicks/

They even bolder the quotes directly from Hornacek for the visually impaired. So in this regard, I guess we DO know what happened in practice. He got beat. I don't know whether he came into camp overweight or not, just that you implied that regardless of other players or how he came into camp, Willy deserved to play. My comments there were meant to dispel that notion. Blair didn't consistently get minutes. I just googled him. Check out his Wikipedia page under his professional career. He was a player who got minutes his first year with some OUTSTANDING performances, ends up second Team All Rookie, earned the starting nod his second year with some more outlier performances, before the Spurs brought in Tiago Splitter and Boris Diaw and he lost his minutes. He eventually falls out of the rotation, makes his displeasure known, while the Spurs go on to win the West and lose to the Heat in the Finals, and Blair ends up gone the next year to the Mavericks. Sound familiar bruh?!?! He was a young player who lost his time to veterans. See how foolish you sound touting guys when you clearly don't know the situation? You don't build winning programs like the Spurs have by just GIVING guys minutes!!!!!

[reub]

By the trading deadline we're going to own like a hundred #2 picks and won't have a center left on the roster except Noah.
Because Knicks.

[Manhattan Project]

Absolutely terrible trade. I hope we Kanter on a max deal...

[Woodshed 1914]

What if Willy flat out didn't want to be here? His agent made a formal trade request. You just keep him because, Knicks? You keep calling the girl that broke up with you? Or you move on. Knicks gave him his request and are moving on.

^^^^This. Time to stop the bleeding when it comes to drama.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Absolutely terrible trade. I hope we Kanter on a max deal...

Don’t you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

[reub]

If Neal got those minutes from Popovich, in Year One, Two, or Eighty-four, it's because he earned them. I also remember when they let him go too. He earned his minutes right? Why didn't they keep in perpetuity?

You're a dumb **** ain't you? Gary Neal wasn't let go he finished out his whole rookie deal and wasn't resigned because he was like 31 asking for a big payday and he wasn't that good. Even as he wasn't that good he played 21.1, 21.5, and 21.8 mpg in his 3 seasons with the Spurs playing more minutes the more and more he showed he couldn't play. So yes he did keep his minutes in perpetuity because THAT'S HOW PLAYERS GAIN A RHYTHM YOU FOOL. Switch a player's minutes every night and they'll never look good. Lin didn't look good until he got consistent minutes. KOQ looked horrible his last year in Orlando when they stopped giving him his minutes consistently. That's what the hell happens. Willy already proved himself ON THE FLOOR which is what matters. No other team ever has had a first team all rookie player on the roster and opened up their season with 5 DNP - CDs in the first 10 games. PERIOD! NOT ONE! EVER! I swear y'all got brain damage.

None of us are in practice, clearly, but Hornacek came out and said the guys who played were the guys who earned the minutes, and that defense was a major reason why. All the per 36 numbers in the world don't address that.

But he starts the worst defender on the team at C? FOH. Horny is stupid I trust his basketball opinions as much as Phil's. He said Rose was a great player last year. Of course he's going to lie to justify his own dumb decisions. You seriously want me to believe Sessions earned minutes over Frank with his defense? You believe that ****?

And no, you earn minutes in practice. Now all of sudden players and coaches shouldn't care about competing for minutes in camp and practice? You don't GAF about that?! The fcuk?!?!?! No reputable organization does that! Do you hear yourself??? Willy comes in overweight and out of shape: So What!!! He was All Rookie last year!!! LMAAAOOOOOOOOOO

Y'all swear y'all know what happens in practice. You don't. You know what happens on the floor and does Willy look out of shape or like someone not playing well? No. He looks perfectly fine. Last year when I was saying free Willy y'all assumed he sucked in practice but come gametime he's throwing up double doubles and outplaying all but KP and Melo? FOH your logic is all types of backwards. Blair was horrible and stayed his whole first deal with the Spurs consistently getting minutes. Slo Mo is just having his first good season when he's been getting minutes in San Antonio for 4 years consistently and prior to this year never played as well as Willy did last year. Davis Bertans is trash and consistently gets minutes in San Antonio. But nah the Spurs bench dudes when they don't perform according to you who has no facts backing up your claims and no examples but ignores mine.

That's why the Spurs develop young talent and we don't. We give up on players that play well. They don't give up on dudes that are scrubs. They always look to maximize the situation of each individual pick while we throw good talent into the wind. When Willy is averaging 8/7 the rest of the year I don't wanna hear ****.

Now why I gotta be all that?!?!

No one knows what happens in practice, but again, Hirnacek came out and stated the rotation was the way it was with the boys because of defense, and that the guys playing had earned their minutes.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/10/20/what-happened-to-willy-hernangomezs-minutes-with-knicks/

They even bolder the quotes directly from Hornacek for the visually impaired. So in this regard, I guess we DO know what happened in practice. He got beat. I don't know whether he came into camp overweight or not, just that you implied that regardless of other players or how he came into camp, Willy deserved to play. My comments there were meant to dispel that notion. Blair didn't consistently get minutes. I just googled him. Check out his Wikipedia page under his professional career. He was a player who got minutes his first year with some OUTSTANDING performances, ends up second Team All Rookie, earned the starting nod his second year with some more outlier performances, before the Spurs brought in Tiago Splitter and Boris Diaw and he lost his minutes. He eventually falls out of the rotation, makes his displeasure known, while the Spurs go on to win the West and lose to the Heat in the Finals, and Blair ends up gone the next year to the Mavericks. Sound familiar bruh?!?! He was a young player who lost his time to veterans. See how foolish you sound touting guys when you clearly don't know the situation? You don't build winning programs like the Spurs have by just GIVING guys minutes!!!!!

I'm getting tired of saying this to you. Let's say that he was outplayed in practice. Still the most prudent course for the team would be to play him enough to increase his trade value. Not to let him rot on the bench and ruin his trade value.

[K_ick_God]

You know, it is a very reasonable thing now to worry that we're going to give Kanter a huge deal.

[Tron Carter]

Is 25 vs 23 really the difference between young and old? I personally don’t think so. But I’ll give up a toe to be either age again.


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maybe not but 1.5 million vs 18 million is simple math.

[K_ick_God]

Moving a low-risk asset for garbage is beyond my understanding. That's not how you conduct business.
I'm officially done being a knicks fan. Enough is enough. 24 years of my "fan"-life wasted. Have fun guys.

Of all the stuff that's happened since 2000 and THIS is what makes you stop being a fan? Not the Curry trade, the Noah signing, the entire 2000's losing, the sexual harassment lawsuit, the Bargnani trade, the Melo saga, McDyess, Francis, Phil even entertaining trading KP, etc. etc?

It's everything... This move is just the last straw that breaks the camel's back. Seems like I've reached my limit.

I hear you. Go in peace.

[Barcs]

I think that people are being over critical on our return. Let's be honest WHG couldn't even scratch our lineup aside from injuries and garbage time, I'm amazed we actually got two 2nd rounders. That's good for a 3rd string center with 2nd string potential. At least we broke even on that deal when looking what we traded to get him. It's funny watching people already calling for Perry's head over this.