Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[Zenzibar]

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Lonzo is not even in his conversation.

[thebuzzardman]

Olynyk. He can function some as a backup 4 too. Well, depending on matchup.

Olynyk would be perfect here, just like Lonzo. He’s a helluva passer too, and can put the ball on the floor n get his own shot. Bringing in him, Zo, Sexton, Luca, and Duarte would be amazing.

I would be SHOCKED if Lonzo gets money here. His rep is that he is afraid of that big man contact while driving to the hole. It is an absolute prerequisite for Thibs that his PG attacks the basket (see Alfrid). Conversely Sexton shoots about 6 free throws per.

Lonzo attempts 1 .2 free throws a game. Not acceptable, let's leave Ball alone.

That's why you play them together and let Lonzo be Bullocks with passing. Bullocks can come back for LGBT+ pride and bench continuity.

[Juco24]

Sexton is a 6'1" shooting guard who doesn't shoot great. He doesn't move the ball (just ask KLove). He's not a good defender. He's a good scorer that I honestly can't see fitting in well with Randle and Barrett. Some of the same people on here wanting him complained about Randle having sticky fingers. Sexton has that reputation

We need a lead guard that has the skill to create offense. We never needed or wanted Randle to do so.

100% agree but the question here is: "Can Sexton be that lead guard?" Based on his performances ytd - the answer "No". He needs/wants the ball in his hands and definitely is not a ball mover

[god shammgod]

Knicks are def in hot pursuit per shams but i still don't buy that other guys deal as the one that will get it done.

They really paused the interview without saying much and said they would continue next week like it's a series on tv. This is the netflix era. Nobody's got the patience for that anymore

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

[Signature NYK]

Olynyk. He can function some as a backup 4 too. Well, depending on matchup.

Olynyk would be perfect here, just like Lonzo. He’s a helluva passer too, and can put the ball on the floor n get his own shot. Bringing in him, Zo, Sexton, Luca, and Duarte would be amazing.

I would be SHOCKED if Lonzo gets money here. His rep is that he is afraid of that big man contact while driving to the hole. It is an absolute prerequisite for Thibs that his PG attacks the basket (see Alfrid). Conversely Sexton shoots about 6 free throws per.

Lonzo attempts 1 .2 free throws a game. Not acceptable, let's leave Ball alone.

But were not asking Lonzo to be a pg. Were asking him to replace bullock while still being able to pass and guard 1-2 maybe even 3's

He'll excel in that role and unlike Bullock he can still be an asset with the ball in his hands and is more athletic AND helps push the pace in transition. Like Reggie can't even run a PnR for mitch lol Lonzo provides everything Reggie did but wayyy more.

The real question is can we Front load a Lonzo deal? say $25mil year one then $16mil year 2? Saving us capspace next year?

[god shammgod]

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i'm not gonna listen but i guess he talked more on this

[Deeeez Knicks]

Knicks are def in hot pursuit per shams but i still don't buy that other guys deal as the one that will get it done.

They really paused the interview without saying much and said they would continue next week like it's a series on tv. This is the netflix era. Nobody's got the patience for that anymore

I do think in an ideal world the Cavs are hoping to get some all-star caliber talent back - they'd obviously have to add some assets in that case. At least that's what I get from hearing their name being linked to the Simmons sweepstakes.

But I also think that getting Obi may be in their interest, since they already thought about drafting him.

I don't think there's really interest in Knox. I'd be surprised if he has any value that exceeds a 2nd rounder at all.

If possible, I'd keep both 1st rounders this year and offer the Mavs '23 pick. So that the ultimate package would be something along the lines of Obi, #32 and Mavs '23. Pretty light in my eyes, but it's hard to gauge Sextons value around the league. If they asked for this years first, I do at least hope it's 21 and not 19. Not that 2 spots mean the world, but who knows who'll slip in the draft.

Obi's value has plummetted since the draft. I think he can be a useful player off the bench, but they already have a better version of him locked up in Larry Nance. I dont think they will get an allstar player, but they may be able to get a better package of picks/players especially since teams like NO, OKC and Miami seem to be interested too. It seems like we rarely get those steals (we did for Rose), so just think in the end it will cost more

[Oscirus]

There one of the worst teams for a reason. Not an indictment on Sexton. Why are other good teams interested if here sucks so much like some of y’all think?

Cuz he has some skills and they think they can get him for cheap cuz hes in a contract year.

Exactly. Skills that can translate to winning in the right setting. The Cavs aren’t exactly the right setting lol

Can not will hence people ridiculing the deal cuz were over paying for a likely max contract player. Normally when a team is doing another team a favor, they don't get **** so bad

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are def in hot pursuit per shams but i still don't buy that other guys deal as the one that will get it done.

They really paused the interview without saying much and said they would continue next week like it's a series on tv. This is the netflix era. Nobody's got the patience for that anymore

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

Look at what Schroeder got traded for.
Or Oubre
Or Kennard (well... )

It wasn't all that much.

I think the offer is actually more than fair.
People see the stats are like "OMG!" We are going to need to trade everything.
Sometimes "good" players get "great" stats playing on a bad team because someone needs to take a good % of the 90 shots per game.

Obviously trades are impacted by the real or imagined interest of other teams.

I find it interesting Miami is "interested" in Sexton while Knicks are "interested" in Robinson.

Feels like two teams trying to drive up prices on players they aren't really getting.
Not sure about the pacers.

[Juco24]

Sure give up a developing prospect and a first to pay a prospect that even the worst team in the league doesnt want. Tell me how that turns out

Agreed! And from what I understand, Sexton wore out his welcome because teammates grew frustrated at his ball dominance. Do we really expect Randle, coming off of an all-star year and in a contract year... just give the reigns to Sexton? YEAH RIGHT

[F N 11]

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i'm not gonna listen but i guess he talked more on this

Good for him, he is milking this.

[Deeeez Knicks]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

That is the tough part for the Knicks. Sexton really shrinks their cap window and paying Randle/Sexton/RJ alone isnt enough. So from the Knicks point of view, its tough to see them giving up a lot more.

But for other teams that are capped out Sexton makes a ton of sense and could be very valuable. Sounds like a bunch of other teams are interested. That is where it gets tricky cause Knicks will have to beat their offer....some teams like Miami may be willing to take on Love's contract

[Ghetto Gospel]

Sexton is a scoring guard who's only averaged 3.4 assists per game in comparison to Ball who's awesome at passing with a career average of 6.4 assists per game and electric on fast breaks.

The Knicks need a PG with great passing ability in order to create easy baskets for the likes of R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Mitchell Robinson and more importantly Julius Randle; not another shoot first & pass last PG.

is 6.4 assists really awesome when you're able to p&r with zion?

Yes because to be fair Lonzo averaged 7.0 assists in 2019-2020 during a year where rookie Zion only played 24 games.

Let's not pretend that Zion is the reason for Ball bring a great passer. Kid went 2nd overall out of UCLA due to passing alone...

zion is one of the best paint finishers in the league today and lonzo's assists essentially stayed the same/went down when he plays with him. what does that tell you

lonzo is not a great passer. he was drafted because he showed passing/playmaking talent in college. It hasn't translated into the nba

[Juco24]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

[Capn'O]

Knicks are def in hot pursuit per shams but i still don't buy that other guys deal as the one that will get it done.

They really paused the interview without saying much and said they would continue next week like it's a series on tv. This is the netflix era. Nobody's got the patience for that anymore

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

Remember though, Cavs are the likely leak to let teams know what they need to beat. Which means they think it was the best offer to date. Even referred to it as aggressive.

Unless somebody comes in with a banger, we're not far off.

[Deeeez Knicks]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

Look at what Schroeder got traded for.
Or Oubre
Or Kennard (well... )

It wasn't all that much.

I think the offer is actually more than fair.
People see the stats are like "OMG!" We are going to need to trade everything.
Sometimes "good" players get "great" stats playing on a bad team because someone needs to take a good % of the 90 shots per game.

Obviously trades are impacted by the real or imagined interest of other teams.

I find it interesting Miami is "interested" in Sexton while Knicks are "interested" in Robinson.

Feels like two teams trying to drive up prices on players they aren't really getting.
Not sure about the pacers.

I guess we will see. I don't think they'll get a ton, just think there's got to be better offers for them. For example, i think they will want to include Love.

I mean, if they are keeping Love/Nance/Allen Obi doesn't even make sense for them.

[Capn'O]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Which is why the deal is a steal. It's basically the Porzingis deal.

A couple points on that. With an extra year to pay vs KP, he either plays like a max player or he doesn't. If he doesn't, you have to either not pay the max or walk away.

[god shammgod]

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

[Deeeez Knicks]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

Remember though, Cavs are the likely leak to let teams know what they need to beat. Which means they think it was the best offer to date. Even referred to it as aggressive.

Unless somebody comes in with a banger, we're not far off.

That assumes it's all legit. Who knows what the actual offers really are?

[Deeeez Knicks]

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Which is why the deal is a steal. It's basically the Porzingis deal.

A couple points on that. With an extra year to pay vs KP, he either plays like a max player or he doesn't. If he doesn't, you have to either not pay the max or walk away.

The Porzingis deal also included bad contracts. Whoever takes Love will probably get Sexton. Probably Miami. I don't even think i would take on Love if I'm the Knicks