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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.
We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.
And I haven't even got to the defense yet....
da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
Strick wrote:The this team has tons of clear holes and issues. With the investment in the DL we have, they need to be changing games. Kayvon will get his stats I fear.. a couple sacks in a few games and then it will be a few more games until you hear his name again
mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.
We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.
And I haven't even got to the defense yet....
da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.
We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.
And I haven't even got to the defense yet....
da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
]Ghetto Gospel wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
not wrong but it doesn't matter, a new qb will at least give me a reason to continue watching.
if we have a top 5 pick and we draft an OT to run back daniel jones, i'm probably done watching after game 2 or 3
Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Ghetto Gospel wrote:
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.
We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.
And I haven't even got to the defense yet....
da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
The good news is we can move on from Daniel Jones after this year. The bad news is the damage is already done. It's not even just him. We need to get that salary off the books to fill other holes. And finding a franchise QB should still be the top priority. It's just really tough to find.
But yea, plenty of blame to go around. A lot of poor decisions all around. The organization decision making at the top is a major concern. This team has really made no progress the last few years.
I think Caleb will be fine. Ugly game for him but rookie QBs getting there first start can get a legit pass. I dont think the Bears should be concerned at all yet.
mpharris36 wrote:]Ghetto Gospel wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
not wrong but it doesn't matter, a new qb will at least give me a reason to continue watching.
if we have a top 5 pick and we draft an OT to run back daniel jones, i'm probably done watching after game 2 or 3
I think is just being a little extra. They were interested in trading up this year for a QB...Jones at best was a place holder this year. The question remains would you have traded multiple drafts worth to move up for Maye. That was basically the only other alternative this year.
My concern is you also don't want to go down the Panthers route either. Just putting a young QB on a trash team and expect it to work. The roster overall is trash.
And now when are Schoen/Daboll on the hot set? If not this year...you let them pick the QB next year and then what if they continue to suck...you now are stuck with a young QB the new GM/Coach didn't pick.
I'm just saying...we got way bigger issues then a QB that will be gone by next year.
Ghetto Gospel wrote:mpharris36 wrote:]Ghetto Gospel wrote:
not wrong but it doesn't matter, a new qb will at least give me a reason to continue watching.
if we have a top 5 pick and we draft an OT to run back daniel jones, i'm probably done watching after game 2 or 3
I think is just being a little extra. They were interested in trading up this year for a QB...Jones at best was a place holder this year. The question remains would you have traded multiple drafts worth to move up for Maye. That was basically the only other alternative this year.
My concern is you also don't want to go down the Panthers route either. Just putting a young QB on a trash team and expect it to work. The roster overall is trash.
And now when are Schoen/Daboll on the hot set? If not this year...you let them pick the QB next year and then what if they continue to suck...you now are stuck with a young QB the new GM/Coach didn't pick.
I'm just saying...we got way bigger issues then a QB that will be gone by next year.
no, i didn't want to trade up to 3, i find trading up to be extremely risky and it usually doesn't work out. if we get a top 2-3 pick and the regime determines that there is no qb worth taking, i'd be comfortable trading down like the bears did to the panthers to get assets. otherwise, it's qb
the panthers are in this spot because they traded away their best receiver and multiple 1sts for a bust.
the texans were bad, traded 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd to get will anderson jr which was universally panned as a bad decision at the time because no one thought the texans had enough talent to do anything. a year later it doesn't matter because cj stroud elevates. frankly, i think it was a really bad decision but it worked out cause who cares, they got a franchise qb so they're going to be in the mix
schoen and daboll are on the hot seat right now. if they don't turn this thing around this season they should be gone. clearly schoen has shown himself to be a terrible talent evaluator and daboll is just going to be collateral damage for being paired with schoen even if he is less terrible.
Ghetto Gospel wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one
Gravy wrote:They remind me of the Knicks before Thibs/Rose. I thought Daboll was the guy now I'm not sure. Jones is washed, no Saquon exposes how bad their offense is.
mpharris36 wrote:Gravy wrote:They remind me of the Knicks before Thibs/Rose. I thought Daboll was the guy now I'm not sure. Jones is washed, no Saquon exposes how bad their offense is.
lets just call a spade a spade right now...
this goes well beyond the QB situation...
Gravy wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Gravy wrote:They remind me of the Knicks before Thibs/Rose. I thought Daboll was the guy now I'm not sure. Jones is washed, no Saquon exposes how bad their offense is.
lets just call a spade a spade right now...
this goes well beyond the QB situation...
Jones has 2 touchdown passes in his last 7 games. That is unacceptable for a QB in this generation, you have to give the fans more than two field goals in your 6th season. I agree the rest of the team has been bad too
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.
This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.
We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?
A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.
Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...
Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.
And I haven't even got to the defense yet....
da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...
The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...
The good news is we can move on from Daniel Jones after this year. The bad news is the damage is already done. It's not even just him. We need to get that salary off the books to fill other holes. And finding a franchise QB should still be the top priority. It's just really tough to find.
But yea, plenty of blame to go around. A lot of poor decisions all around. The organization decision making at the top is a major concern. This team has really made no progress the last few years.
I think Caleb will be fine. Ugly game for him but rookie QBs getting there first start can get a legit pass. I dont think the Bears should be concerned at all yet.
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Its like a bell curve...you have 10-15% of the league that you can just throw any QB in and they will succeed because they are that good. You have 10-15% of the league that just have bad QB play. You then have like 70% of the league that can probably be decent but they need to be in the right situation.
I'm just saying we do need a franchise QB...I think Schoen and Daboll realize that....they extensively looked a QB's but I think most people weren't willing to trade multiple drafts to move up for Drake Maye right? So they tried to do the next best thing and improve the rest of the roster until they can find that franchise QB.
My concern is overall do we trust the Schoen/Daboll group enough to have them pick there QB next year...that is more of an issue for me then the place holder that is Daniel Jones right now. We can get off him at the end of the year...if you let Schoen/Daboll pick there QB we kinda are stuck with this group for the future.
mpharris36 wrote:Gravy wrote:They remind me of the Knicks before Thibs/Rose. I thought Daboll was the guy now I'm not sure. Jones is washed, no Saquon exposes how bad their offense is.
lets just call a spade a spade right now...
this goes well beyond the QB situation...
mpharris36 wrote:Gravy wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
lets just call a spade a spade right now...
this goes well beyond the QB situation...
Jones has 2 touchdown passes in his last 7 games. That is unacceptable for a QB in this generation, you have to give the fans more than two field goals in your 6th season. I agree the rest of the team has been bad too
no one disagrees with this. The Giants QB situation is bad...but the bigger picture is you can get out of that situation fairly easily next offseason...do you trust the current regime with fixing that situation? If so why because the drafts above don't give me too much confidence...
mpharris36 wrote:but thats my biggest concern...I don't think Mara will get rid of Schoen/Daboll so then you would be trusting them to draft our next QB which would be a huge concern with our recent draft history.
Like I said Daniel Jones is the low hanging fruit everyone wants to pile on but we can move on from Jones...you just can't move on from an entire roster/organization...Mara certainly wont. It would have to get like real bad for that to happen. And we typically find ways during the middle of the year to win a handful of meaningless games to get ous out of the range of picking a QB anyway.
