[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[stuporman]

Just as some info as I see some might be under the wrong impression. Melo has no veto power at all in stopping a trade. Denver can trade him anywhere they like. He doesn't have to sign an extension, true, that's what is the determining factor in his trade value, but he can't block the trade. If they want to send him to NJ, he can't do anything to stop it.

Yes, this is technically true. If NJ is willing to give up that much for a half-year rental, there is nothing he can do. But shouldn't we assume that NJ would act rationally?

We're talking about the same franchise that thought Farmar and Outlaw was their big FA prizes this off season in their blueprint for greatness? Rationally you say?

[cgmw]

Good article on why the Nets are insane
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... -for-nets/

Good article on why Melo won't get traded to NJ unless he signs an extension (which he won't).

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

The marketing spike would be through the roof if he signs on as "savior" this summer more so than if we acquired him via trade. I'm hoping he holds out. It won't be long now.

Also what people are forgetting is that one of the first things that Carmelo Anthony mentioned about why he wants to move is to market and sell his "brand".

When was this? And Carmelo would've helped his brand if he signed on to the Knicks as 'savior' and it was before Amare doing it. Now Amare has looked like the 'savior' with Carmelo coming to help him along the way.

From a marketing perspective, I'm not sure that it matters if Amare is technically our savior and MVP candidate. If adding Melo makes us a better team, and helps us become a legit contender, then he can be marketed as a savior. He is very charismatic and he arguably has more "star power" than Amare, so I don't think he would be looked at as a Robin to Amare's Batman.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Just as some info as I see some might be under the wrong impression. Melo has no veto power at all in stopping a trade. Denver can trade him anywhere they like. He doesn't have to sign an extension, true, that's what is the determining factor in his trade value, but he can't block the trade. If they want to send him to NJ, he can't do anything to stop it.

Yes, this is technically true. If NJ is willing to give up that much for a half-year rental, there is nothing he can do. But shouldn't we assume that NJ would act rationally?

We're talking about the same franchise that thought Farmar and Outlaw was their big FA prizes this off season in their blueprint for greatness? Rationally you say?

Haha, fair enough.

But I think giving up Favors, Harris, and that many picks for a guy who will walk (that is, if he continues to suggest that we won't sign with Jersey) beyond that kind of idiocy. Like, it would set a completely new precedent.

[MKCATL]

No chance Melo signs extension with that depleted team and as the 2nd rate franchise in NY. BUT if for some reason he does, is it really worth it to the Nets to have 1 Star to open an arena and be capped out with no real future, or assets to sign more players that they will DESPERATELY need.

I think so, will Melo make them a playoff team in the east? it seems like you need that one star to convince other players to come and by the time the move comes around they would have a little more flexability. I do it for just tickets sales alone.

[K_ick_God]

One thing that I don't hear mentioned but that is key here: The Nuggets are going to need to resolve the Nets situation pretty early because they then need time to work out another trade. So the Nets thing can't really go to the deadline. It has to be figured out first, and then if/when Melo says no, they need time to work out a deal with the Knicks.

[Justdatdude]

One thing that I don't hear mentioned but that is key here: The Nuggets are going to need to resolve the Nets situation pretty early because they then need time to work out another trade. So the Nets thing can't really go to the deadline. It has to be figured out first, and then if/when Melo says no, they need time to work out a deal with the Knicks.

You do know they can work out multiple deals at the same time, then pick which move they want to go ahead with right?

[K_ick_God]

Good article on why the Nets are insane
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... -for-nets/

Good article on why Melo won't get traded to NJ unless he signs an extension (which he won't).

My favorite part of the article is the one that talks about how Lopez sucks this year. True true.

[knicks742]

One thing that I don't hear mentioned but that is key here: The Nuggets are going to need to resolve the Nets situation pretty early because they then need time to work out another trade. So the Nets thing can't really go to the deadline. It has to be figured out first, and then if/when Melo says no, they need time to work out a deal with the Knicks.

You do know they can work out multiple deals at the same time, then pick which move they want to go ahead with right?

I agree with this. THey are going to be talking to anyone who is willing to make a decent offer, all at the same time, which is pretty much what they are doing already. It's the same for us, I bet we'll have deals lined up as back ups in case the Melo trade falls through to improve the team for a playoff run. DW has pretty much admitted as much that he knows what we are missing and is looking around.

[stuporman]

I think Denver will keep the NJ deal on the table as long as it serves their interest in both driving up the price of even the rental market and if at any moment Melo gives in to the pressure to sign in NJ they will make the deal and get his signature as quick as you can believe....

[K_ick_God]

One thing that I don't hear mentioned but that is key here: The Nuggets are going to need to resolve the Nets situation pretty early because they then need time to work out another trade. So the Nets thing can't really go to the deadline. It has to be figured out first, and then if/when Melo says no, they need time to work out a deal with the Knicks.

You do know they can work out multiple deals at the same time, then pick which move they want to go ahead with right?

Yes Duhon2Lee, but it's not that simple. Deals fall apart and need to be tweaked. They can focus on the Nets deal and think they have a Knicks deal ready, only to see it fall apart right before the deadline if Melo rejects the Nets. If they drag out the Nets, then, say, another team in the Knicks deal could decide to go elsewhere instead of participating in the Knicks trade.

[knicks742]

LOL

Busted.

[K_ick_God]

LOL

Busted.

lol

The Nets deal is their priority and they can drag it out some, but they can also be left holding their proverbial private parts if they drag it out too long. Let's say Donnie wants to deal Curry for a center, kicking in a pick and/or cash, and has that deal lined up. If the Nuggets keep the Nets thing going till the end, hoping that Melo blinks, Donnie could go ahead with the other deal. Then the Nuggets have no trades for Melo. That is such a Donnie thing to do, too.

[aggo]

Yes Duhon2Lee, but it's not that simple. D

wow

is it true?

[K_ick_God]

Other thing, too, to keep in mind: The Nets are going to have to meet with Melo at some point to convince him to come. So the Nuggets need to reach a deal first and then give the Nets time to talk to Melo. That will take time. So unless they're willing to let Melo talk to the Nyets before they have a deal, it will be logistically tight to do that a week or two before the deadline.

I think the Nets thing needs resolution this month or early February.

Just my 2 cents.

Otherwise, the Nuggets are playing with fire and could get shut out. I really don't get the sense that Donnie is going to wait on Melo above all else. The Knicks need other pieces to bolster the bench and give them the best playoff chance and chance to win a playoff game or two or four, and I don't think Donnie will wait while the Nuggets carry out their foolish Nets plan till an hour before the deadline. He will move on a good deal that helps the Knicks this season, even if it's only for a backup center or another guard.

[stuporman]

The Knicks and Walsh will not make any moves that stops them being able to acquire Melo, in trade or as a FA, until his name is signed on an extension anywhere but NY. So Walsh is very much sitting with his hands tied... or at least one of them is maybe not both, until that time comes to pass.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

The Knicks and Walsh will not make any moves that stops them being able to acquire Melo, in trade or as a FA, until his name is signed on an extension anywhere but NY. So Walsh is very much sitting with his hands tied... or at least one of them is maybe not both, until that time comes to pass.

Agreed. Unless Melo gets traded to NJ and signs an extension before the deadline, Curry will not be dealt, because he would eat into our cap space that we'd be saving to sign Melo in the summer.

[K_ick_God]

Would New Jersey really risk getting Carmelo without the promise of an extension? Or is Denver just trying to call Carmelo's/Knicks bluff and posturing as much as possilble?
Chris Sheridan (1:11 PM)

As I have reported before, the Nets will not do any 'Melo deal unless they are assured that he will sign the extension. And Melo is sticking to his guns that he will not sign an extension with any team, if traded, unless that team is the Knicks. That has been the case for more than a month, and it remains the case as of this very moment.

[Justdatdude]

Would New Jersey really risk getting Carmelo without the promise of an extension? Or is Denver just trying to call Carmelo's/Knicks bluff and posturing as much as possilble?
Chris Sheridan (1:11 PM)

As I have reported before, the Nets will not do any 'Melo deal unless they are assured that he will sign the extension. And Melo is sticking to his guns that he will not sign an extension with any team, if traded, unless that team is the Knicks. That has been the case for more than a month, and it remains the case as of this very moment.

Bingo! Like I been saying for the longest...Denver aren't interested in the pieces the Knicks have so a deal isn't going to get done. Carmelo isn't signing with the Nets and if he does, the Nets are trading away all of their assets to get him. That mean he just walked into a worse situation then the Nets are already in. Keep in mind Carmelo isn't exactly going to be thrilled to play with a coach like Avery Johnson. That means he's staying in Denver the rest of the season, unless the Knicks find some type of way to get another team to add some valuable pieces to get Melo to NY.

Carmelo isn't going anywhere this season!

[ITGM]

"As I have reported before, the Nets will not do any 'Melo deal unless they are assured that he will sign the extension," wrote Sheridan. "And Melo is sticking to his guns that he will not sign an extension with any team, if traded, unless that team is the Knicks. That has been the case for more than a month, and it remains the case as of this very moment."

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... z1ANT1jzmZ