Phil can GTFO now (he's wiling to deal KP) part II

Post #941 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:43 pm

Crunchknicks1 wrote:Lol wake me at 7:45 when we pick 8th

Hi Phil. Rest up.

symbiotic · Post #942 » by **symbiotic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:43 pm

A desire for having Josh Jackson in a KNICKS jersey should not be misconstrued as hatred for Kristaps Porzingis.

BeagleBoss · Post #943 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:44 pm

GONYK wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:
Sark wrote:What would Bill Belichick do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

What would Gregg Popovich do if a player skipped out on an exit meeting with him, and didn't return his calls?

Phil is not the coach. It's a big difference.

Did KP attend a meeting with Jeff and not Phil?

Also, it's not a big difference since Pop is also the President of the Spurs.

Pop doesn't run a circus atmosphere and doesn't trash his own players on twitter.

Jeffrey · Post #944 » by **Jeffrey** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:44 pm

That's what I want to hear. I don't effing want to hear Booker + 4th pick. That's not even enough. I want to hear some ridiculous over the god damn top trade. If they bite on it, you can't blame Phil for that. If they don't bite on his ridiculous demand, you know Phil values him very highly.

We are not in a situation where we NEED to move KP! So why are you guys throwing lowball offers around like KP is one of the Plumlee brothers. Get your weak trade offers outta here.

Post #945 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45 pm

duetta wrote:I think what KP did is immature and wrong-headed, but he's 21 years of age.

What's Phil's excuse?

That he's literally doing his job?

It is well within Phil's purview to listen to trade offers.

DE FENSE · Post #946 » by **DE FENSE** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:45 pm

frogfood wrote:
rammagen wrote:
frogfood wrote:
What does that accomplish besides pissing off other GMs, and making yourself look foolish and have the fanbase hate you.
well it could lite a fire on a player that seemed to lack enthusiasm. f the other gms ainge has been getting player for crap it is about time he paid high

Publicly trying to shame/antagonize someone is not how you get through to someone.

When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.

iLovethosedamnknicks · Post #947 » by **iLovethosedamnknicks** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:46 pm

symbiotic wrote:A desire for having Josh Jackson in a KNICKS jersey should not be misconstrued as hatred for Kristaps Porzingis.

If we wanted jackson so badly we should tanked the way were supposed to do!!!!! DUMB A$$ FRANCHISE!

islanders11040 · Post #948 » by **islanders11040** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:47 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
If you draft really well and you're lucky (those picks panning out), that might be a nice core of surrounding talent. Now if we could only find a franchise level talent that we could surround with those guys...

That is what the nyets pick and our own pick are for.

There are some really intriguing bigs next year that have franchise player potential.

Potential is the key word. The only thing they have is potential. Meanwhile, KP is already a somewhat proven commodity. He has proved that his floor is at the very least an All-Star, and on top of that he still has that franchise player potential.

Maybe this video can illustrate my point better:

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shtolky · Post #949 » by **shtolky** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:47 pm

DE FENSE wrote:
frogfood wrote:
rammagen wrote:well it could lite a fire on a player that seemed to lack enthusiasm. f the other gms ainge has been getting player for crap it is about time he paid high

Publicly trying to shame/antagonize someone is not how you get through to someone.

When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.

I said this exact same thing to a co-worker of mine not 5 minutes ago. If KP is being a baby on his own, that's wrong, and if he's listening to poor advice, also wrong. He's the one acting like a baby, and Phil is simply fielding offers for one of the best assets in the NBA. KP needs to develop thicker skin and not run off to Latvia at the first sing of trouble. But he sure has time to do E60 features and post produced workout videos.

Post #950 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:48 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:
GONYK wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Phil is not the coach. It's a big difference.

Did KP attend a meeting with Jeff and not Phil?

Also, it's not a big difference since Pop is also the President of the Spurs.

Pop doesn't run a circus atmosphere and doesn't trash his own players on twitter.

What does that have to do with him not being the coach?

KP skipped out of the meeting with both Jeff and Phil, and has ignored communication from both Jeff and Phil. They are his bosses.

KP is being unprofessional in his actions.

Exploring trades, for KP or otherwise, is literally in Phil's job description. It is professional.

BeagleBoss · Post #951 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:48 pm

Instead of looking to trade KP for Josh Jackson, we should have been in position to draft him if this beyond stupid pos franchise tanked properly! It's so infuriating how dumb they are!!!

islanders11040 · Post #952 » by **islanders11040** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:48 pm

duetta wrote:I think what KP did is immature and wrong-headed, but he's 21 years of age.

What's Phil's excuse?

hes 71 years old and losing his mind?

Post #953 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:49 pm

DE FENSE wrote:
frogfood wrote:
rammagen wrote:well it could lite a fire on a player that seemed to lack enthusiasm. f the other gms ainge has been getting player for crap it is about time he paid high

Publicly trying to shame/antagonize someone is not how you get through to someone.

When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.

How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?

Yankeeknickfan · Post #954 » by **Yankeeknickfan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:50 pm

Are you guys really creaming over Josh Jackson, crowder, brown, and and next yrs pick? Smh

god shammgod · Post #955 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:50 pm

the whole "phil is just trolling" the league thing is ridiculous. even if nothing happens, this is another sideshow act in the circus which continues to make the knicks look like a joke. there's no winning for anyone involved with the knicks. on or off the court apparently.

blueNorange · Post #956 » by **blueNorange** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 pm

what's sad is that there's probably some that want this to happen just to continue with their 'fire phil' rhetoric.

BeagleBoss · Post #957 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 pm

GONYK wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Did KP attend a meeting with Jeff and not Phil?

Also, it's not a big difference since Pop is also the President of the Spurs.

Pop doesn't run a circus atmosphere and doesn't trash his own players on twitter.

What does that have to do with him not being the coach?

KP skipped out of the meeting with both Jeff and Phil, and has ignored communication from both Jeff and Phil. They are his bosses.

KP is being unprofessional in his actions.

Exploring trades, for KP or otherwise, is literally in Phil's job description. It is professional.

Agreed, it was unprofessional and rude of KP to diss Jackson. But I can't say I blame him. And why would he meet with Hornecek? The guy has no self respect and no command of the team as the head coach. I'm not saying it's right but I understand it. KP should just speed up the inevitable and demand a trade. I don't see how there is any way he comes into training camp after everything that's happened. I think this relationship is over.

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #958 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:51 pm

I'm glad to hear that Phil didn't cave and stuck to his asking price. We aren't desperate to move KP, so we didn't flinch.

The other takeaway here is that KP now knows he's not untouchable, but that we value him quite highly, and that Boston thought that asking price was "ridiculous." Hopefully this gives him a little extra incentive when playing against the Celtics.

god shammgod · Post #959 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:53 pm

yeah. i'm sure everyone is gonna get along swimmingly after this.

Post #960 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:53 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:
GONYK wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:Pop doesn't run a circus atmosphere and doesn't trash his own players on twitter.

What does that have to do with him not being the coach?

KP skipped out of the meeting with both Jeff and Phil, and has ignored communication from both Jeff and Phil. They are his bosses.

KP is being unprofessional in his actions.

Exploring trades, for KP or otherwise, is literally in Phil's job description. It is professional.

Agreed, it was unprofessional and rude of KP to diss Jackson. But I can't say I blame him. And why would he meet with Hornecek? The guy has no self respect and no command of the team as the head coach. I'm not saying it's right but I understand it. KP should just speed up the inevitable and demand a trade. I don't see how there is any way he comes into training camp after everything that's happened. I think this relationship is over.

Understanding it doesn't make it right. KP is in the wrong here.

He has 2 years left on his deal. He can't really demand anything.

Plus, the whole league just saw what his price tag is, and they can't really afford him. It's not going to change either.