[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[DOT]

Exactly right in that we have no idea if he'll ever get the BBIQ of Bridges....hence the risk in drafting an 18 year old kid. You way the potential vs the now or ceiling if comparing to Bridges and assess if you can tolerate the risk.

But a lot of us on team Mikal feel that he has a comparable ceiling to Knox, if not an even higher one cause of his defense, and he's further along in his development

So imo, there's no reason to draft Knox over Mikal

Some of us very strongly disagree...Mikal is probably 85% through his development vs maybe 50% from Knox IMHO. I view Mikal as pretty close to a finished product with limited physical tools, slight build etc.

I mean, how can you know for sure that Mikal is near his peak? He's only 21, gonna be 22 in a few months

Players are still developing until their late 20s, y'all make it sound like Mikal is like 26 already

[Infinitimind]

Please trade up for Doncic.

#9, Lee, LFT, Baker, Burke, 2020 1st (top 5 protected) for Parsons, #4

Yep - I'd give that much.

1. That doesn’t even guarantee you Doncic.

2. No way unless Noah is in the deal

I want Doncic too but not that bad. I’m just over here holding out hope like the rest of you that we somehow acquire the #4 without losing #9, Frank or KP. I don’t care which contracts we take on. Maybe Memphis will help Fiz out? Not sure where their relationship stands but that would be huge!

Praying for a big night for our Knicks!!! Please basketball Gods it’s our time!!!!!

His agents will have talk to the hawks and say he will not play for them . The hawks will decide if they want to take that risk

[MP4LIFE]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

[shtolky]

Knox definitely seems like a Knicks-type pick..... and not in a good way

A Knicks type pick like KP and Frank?

[BowlRips]

Source: Knox met with NYK 3 times. All indications he’s been given have been that he’s the selection


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Source?

A very good one yes


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[mpharris36]

Do you see me saying he’s better than Mikal? Or that I prefer him to Mikal? It’s more that I’d be happy with either one.

I never said you said that. I just don't have that personality. If I think Mikal is the better player/prospect (which I do). Then I will not be pleased if we pick a player I clearly think is better in pretty much every facet of there games. So I don't get being happy if your main target is on the board and you pass him up.

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

Well that explains our argument from last year when I said I loved both DSJ and Frank and you were in disbelief lol:

correct...

I mean I totally get having a backup option if your target gets picked. But Mikal is my dude. He's been my dude. I like the identity we would have so if they are both on the board I don't see how I could reason being ok with Knox and passing on Mikal.

Now early in the offseason when it looked like Mikal could be gone by 9...I needed a backup and started to really focus on someone like Lonnie Walker. That would be my backup. But he's a guard and we have a lot of those but I still like him as a player. I don't dislike knox I just think he's a clear tier below Mikal as a player.

I like Mikal but also think Doncic/Bamba are a tier above him as well.

[Capn'O]

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

Then the girl you thought was the best ends up **** your friends, runs a coordinated gaslighting campaign to make you think you're going crazy, and suddenly decides to stop speaking to you after 15 years for reasons never provided.

What were we talking about again? Right, the draft. I'm just saying, sometimes things can shake up differently than you initially suspect. I'd choose Mikal as well in this situation. This Knicks **** is why I have a BAF team to play with.

[Mecca]

SGA bandwagon filling up quickly. Come one, come all. We got vacancy

[god shammgod]

u mean like jahlil okafor?

Everybody knew big who dont play D was going out of style except the sixers.

he still looked like a star in the making, if only for offensive skillset.

turns out his conditioning, motor, and maturity issues were all 100% real. that duke character tho.

i think he still might have been a very good player in the last era but in this one he's a scrub. that's the thing about prospects now, we're still evaluating some of them like the game is the same when we shouldn't be. for bigs, if you're not able to control the paint defensively or quick enough to switch onto other positions or have 3 point range you're pretty much worthless. it doesn't matter what other skills you have. you're a dinosaur. your skill set has gone extinct.

[SARGO127]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

Amen man, Stay away from unfocused, no defense, no rebounding Knox.

[KnickLeDime]

I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

[MP4LIFE]

Knox definitely seems like a Knicks-type pick..... and not in a good way

A Knicks type pick like KP and Frank?

More like Frye, Balkman, Mardy Collins, Jordan Hill, Michael Sweetney, Cleanthony Early and Frederic Weis

[stuporman]

Knox definitely has some skills that translate into the modern NBA, transition play, 3ball and finishing over people with those high release floaters so being a complete bust is unlikely but fulfilling potential isn't guaranteed.

Although, it's all those huge question marks about motor, defense and BBIQ that will be the source of much concern for Knick fans if he is the pick. It may be a reason why he might be a productive player but doesn't contribute to a winning team type of player.

[mugzi]

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

Then the girl you thought was the best ends up **** your friends, runs a coordinated gaslighting campaign to make you think you're going crazy, and suddenly decides to stop speaking to you after 15 years for reasons never provided.

What were we talking about again? Right, the draft. I'm just saying, sometimes things can shake up differently than you initially suspect. I'd choose Mikal as well in this situation. This Knicks **** is why I have a BAF team to play with.

Whoa?! WTF happened to you man? My condolences. She should b left to fend for herself on an abandoned island.

[NoLayupRule]

But a lot of us on team Mikal feel that he has a comparable ceiling to Knox, if not an even higher one cause of his defense, and he's further along in his development

So imo, there's no reason to draft Knox over Mikal

Some of us very strongly disagree...Mikal is probably 85% through his development vs maybe 50% from Knox IMHO. I view Mikal as pretty close to a finished product with limited physical tools, slight build etc.

I mean, how can you know for sure that Mikal is near his peak? He's only 21, gonna be 22 in a few months

Players are still developing until their late 20s, y'all make it sound like Mikal is like 26 already

the potential on Mikal that seems to be ignored is coming from within

he worked his butt off to get where he is and he started as a redshirt

knox is passive by comparison


you have to factor in the players personality when you factor in their career path potential

there have been tons of athletically skilled guys who didn't have the drive to improve to their capacity
Mikal has shown the opposite, a drive to improve every year

[HEZI]

There's no Knox in a Knicks jersey photoshop yet?

Y'all slacking

[King of Canada]

Not sure if anyone remembers watching Antoine Jamison play, but they have an eerily similar game. Same defense issues as well. Not to call it his ceiling, just noting Knox's playing style.

I disagree. Jamison was a great post up player at UNC. Quick as hell, crafty, and a little unorthodox. He also barely shot threes.

If we could walk away with a player of that level it's be a huge win. Jamison was pretty awesome.

[KnickLeDime]

Some of us very strongly disagree...Mikal is probably 85% through his development vs maybe 50% from Knox IMHO. I view Mikal as pretty close to a finished product with limited physical tools, slight build etc.

I mean, how can you know for sure that Mikal is near his peak? He's only 21, gonna be 22 in a few months

Players are still developing until their late 20s, y'all make it sound like Mikal is like 26 already

the potential on Mikal that seems to be ignored is coming from within

he worked his butt off to get where he is and he started as a redshirt

knox is passive by comparison


you have to factor in the players personality when you factor in their career path potential

there have been tons of athletically skilled guys who didn't have the drive to improve to their capacity
Mikal has shown the opposite, a drive to improve every year

And what makes you think that a freshman in Knox would be any different...??

[Capn'O]

Like women you think one girl is the best, she is the girl you want to be with. There is this other girl that aiight, you settling for the second girl or you shooting your shot at your favorite?

Then the girl you thought was the best ends up **** your friends, runs a coordinated gaslighting campaign to make you think you're going crazy, and suddenly decides to stop speaking to you after 15 years for reasons never provided.

What were we talking about again? Right, the draft. I'm just saying, sometimes things can shake up differently than you initially suspect. I'd choose Mikal as well in this situation. This Knicks **** is why I have a BAF team to play with.

Whoa?! WTF happened to you man? My condolences. She should b left to fend for herself on an abandoned island.

my 20s were rough. Somebody else's problem now. Mrs. 'O was the "safe pick" and that's worked out great.

[Knicks Byke]

Please trade up for Doncic.

#9, Lee, LFT, Baker, Burke, 2020 1st (top 5 protected) for Parsons, #4

Yep - I'd give that much.

1. That doesn’t even guarantee you Doncic.

2. No way unless Noah is in the deal

I want Doncic too but not that bad. I’m just over here holding out hope like the rest of you that we somehow acquire the #4 without losing #9, Frank or KP. I don’t care which contracts we take on. Maybe Memphis will help Fiz out? Not sure where their relationship stands but that would be huge!

Praying for a big night for our Knicks!!! Please basketball Gods it’s our time!!!!!

His agents will have talk to the hawks and say he will not play for them . The hawks will decide if they want to take that risk

i still think Sac takes doncic. he’s def going 1-2 imo.