Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[2010]

Perry operating with the mindset as if Frank wasn’t even on the roster. As he should. If the kid doesn’t want it, why should anyone want it for him?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

I expect very little from Frank these days...back in the draft threads when I was hyping him up heavy, I was hoping for a taller/longer George Hill, but now I’m just hoping he won’t consistently be 1 of the worst offensive players in the NBA and not be timid on the court

[remi_222]

I expect very little from Frank these days...back in the draft threads when I was hyping him up heavy, I was hoping for a taller/longer George Hill, but now I’m just hoping he won’t consistently be 1 of the worst offensive players in the NBA and not be timid on the court

wow i do remember seeing u being super hyped when he got drafted !
Coming from France I always have a special look on how the french players are seen and valued in the city they play.
I was first very happy to see how NYers were ecstatic abt him, and with the time he showed struggle they forgot (as mentioned earlier in the discussion) that he was a project when he got drafted ! So, yes NYC has been enough patient, but he needs time to adjust and def this coming yr a KEY !

NYC KEEP BELIEVE IN FRANK !

[Zenzibar]

You guys are too corny, with this Frank bashing. That's why we can't have nice things.

"Yeah we want a youth movement", but as a fanbase we lack the intelligence, um excuse me, I mean the patience to let these really young players the time needed to properly develop.

Knox was the 2nd youngest player in the draft last year but is constantly pigeoned holed into a semi bust. Jeez. I Love my Knicks but the fanbase is sometimes fnk stupid as hell.

You know the biggest issue I have with the critics of Frank- they make it seem like he was supposed to produce from Day 1.

Jackson even mentioned for expectations to be tempered with Frank as he was a project player who was barely 18 and coming from across the world to play in the NBA. Project players are usually raw centers who need 4-5 years of development and also young PG's like Frank who need around the same time. those 2 positions are the toughest to master in the league (especially the PG position.)

We all speak in unison about how we want to develop and build this team the right way for once but many fans don't really practice what they preach. People wanted to dump Frank last night for a 2nd round pick, thankfully they're all posters who aren't get paid for their opinions.

I have plenty of faith in Frank still, I think after that huge KP trade that Frank was going to start seeing minutes more regularly after surprisingly accruing a bunch of DNP-CD's earlier in the year. That groin injury really set him back a good deal, it would've been great to see him and DSJ build some on court chemistry together.

Thanks for the reply, great post and points.

Exactly my sentiments. Some NY KNicks fans are just so polarizing and can never be satisfied.

In my humble opinion, Frank is going to be awesome. He's freakin still growing (grew an inch last year) and getting brolic. A backcourt of him and RJ, will shut down 75% of most pick and rolls in the league.

Frank has a nice stroke from 3 and just needs more experience and play time. He's more defensive minded than Shumpert pre-injury, and more focused on improving his all-around game.

We need to ride out the "Process" for all of our drafted players. No trades unless it's a bundle for a superstar, that's it. Let's ride out their rookie contracts and see where they're at.

[nyk2017]

Frank has the skill to be a really important role player. He just does not seem to have the drive on the court. I saw him be super aggressive last year on maybe 2-3 occasions.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Perry operating with the mindset as if Frank wasn’t even on the roster. As he should. If the kid doesn’t want it, why should anyone want it for him?

Even before free agency I honestly don’t think there’s minutes for him in the rotation even unless there’s an injury. I have a feeling Kadeem Allen has the back up PG spot locked up. He’s pretty lucky that Smith Jr is injury prone.

[ny-n-md]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

He's 1.25 years older than Frank. And probably 3 inches smaller. I don't see a wing-span measurement for him, but let's guess 5 inches less. So ...

why the **** am I posting in this stupid thread?

[ny-n-md]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

He's 1.25 years older than Frank. And probably 3 inches smaller. I don't see a wing-span measurement for him, but let's guess 5 inches less. So ...

why the **** am I posting in this stupid thread?

I don’t know why, LOL.

He’s listed as 6’5/ 6’6 with a 7’ wingspan on NBADraft.net.

[will]

Time to move on from Frank.

[Iron Mantis]

Gotta give Frank at least this year to see if he improves.

[Clyde_Style]

If Fiz is going to experiment I want to see what happens when Frank and RJ are used as a giant backcourt

And I'd like to see a three guard lineup with Dot, Frank and RJ paired with Mitch and Knox.

Smallest guy would be 6'6" with 3 good defenders, 4 if RJ brings it and plenty of offensive options.

RJ may be listed as a SF, but it really doesn't matter if his handle is good and he can bring it up the court.

[Richard4444]

Gotta give Frank at least this year to see if he improves.

Root for we dont need cap space and no team really needs a defensive guard in july.

[blanko]

Lets be honest, franks value aint getting much lower. At this point we might as well see if he can improve his shot and increase his use to us or to someone else.

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[blanko]

https://youtu.be/fynoMCphhVI

Some players need time to adjust to the nba, not everyone is like luca. This goes for kevin knox and also guys like vonleh, it took him a few years to get his footing in the NBA.

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[MaseInYourFace]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

Well for one he was picked 20th which is much better slot for a project type and he seems to have a more defined path coming in that Frank has. There were too many question marks for Frank coming in. Frank was picked too high in that draft. Bad pick man. Plus the Sixers are a better org let’s be frank.

[ny-n-md]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

Well for one he was picked 20th which is much better slot for a project type and he seems to have a more defined path coming in that Frank has. There were too many question marks for Frank coming in. Frank was picked too high in that draft. Bad pick man. Plus the Sixers are a better org let’s be frank.

Agreed. This is how I felt in that draft as well. I never understood how a defensive player that was raw offensively could be a lottery pick. Seeing comparisons to a bigger Patrick Beverly really made me sour on him as a potential pick. I’ve grown to like and support him once the pick was made. I’m still hopeful he develops and gets a true opportunity this season. 3rd year is the last chance he’ll get from me. I knew he was a project and it would take time. I said 3 years for improvement to start showing or move on.

[YouthMovement]

Does anybody else think Matisse Thybulle is a clone of Frank? He’s getting a lot of praise for his size, wingspan and defensive versatility. His offense needs work too.

Well for one he was picked 20th which is much better slot for a project type and he seems to have a more defined path coming in that Frank has. There were too many question marks for Frank coming in. Frank was picked too high in that draft. Bad pick man. Plus the Sixers are a better org let’s be frank.

thybulle def has a more clear lane. if he can knock down some open threes he has a place in the league. ideally he can be a covington type for them. frank is a pg who can’t shoot and really isn’t a great facilitator and lacks agression

[WargamesX]

If Fiz is going to experiment I want to see what happens when Frank and RJ are used as a giant backcourt

And I'd like to see a three guard lineup with Dot, Frank and RJ paired with Mitch and Knox.

Smallest guy would be 6'6" with 3 good defenders, 4 if RJ brings it and plenty of offensive options.

RJ may be listed as a SF, but it really doesn't matter if his handle is good and he can bring it up the court.

I was thinking that too. If RJ has good enough handle he can be the distributor and Frank and Dot can act as 3&D shooters next Mitch and Knox..... It would be interesting to see that as a regular lineup because not a lot of teams could handle that and it could lead to interesting runs.

[thebuzzardman]

If Fiz is going to experiment I want to see what happens when Frank and RJ are used as a giant backcourt

And I'd like to see a three guard lineup with Dot, Frank and RJ paired with Mitch and Knox.

Smallest guy would be 6'6" with 3 good defenders, 4 if RJ brings it and plenty of offensive options.

RJ may be listed as a SF, but it really doesn't matter if his handle is good and he can bring it up the court.

I was thinking that too. If RJ has good enough handle he can be the distributor and Frank and Dot can act as 3&D shooters next Mitch and Knox..... It would be interesting to see that as a regular lineup because not a lot of teams could handle that and it could lead to interesting runs.

If Fiz runs the system I think he really wants to run with the kinds of players to play it, Knicks PG's should have low assist totals, no matter who they are, for two main reasons:

The system is supposed to be all players attacking, which means assists should distribute more
Fiz seems to have no issue with more iso'ing going on within that style, where the attack leads to that own players shot who initiated it.
Was that because the Knicks had players who were bad at cutting or that the coach didn't emphasize it enough? Or both?

We'll find out. Even without a FA, Knicks are going to have at least 4 players inclined to attack, who can pass some or a little:
DSJr
Trier
RJ
Knox - yes, I know he rarely passed. But in the SL, when put in P&R situations, he was good passing it. During the season it was tried a few times as well and worked. Why not more often? Who knows.

Other potential creators
Frank - he's "ok" at it, just needs to do more of it
Mario - fits the type, he'll probably be back
Brazzers - seems to be combination of guy who can shoot, put on deck to drive

Minus FA, assuming Mario, that's 8 guys who stylistically fit what Fiz and FO state they want:
Height
Athleticism
Positionless
Attack the basket

Obviously to varying degrees.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing with some movement, attacking, then he's either FOS or kind of sucks.

If Fiz doesn't get this group playing that way after adding a Max cat who provides some kind of offensive gravity and defensive attention, he really sucks.