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Post#941 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:16 pm

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Man what did anyone expect Cole to do with this sorry North Carolina team? Bacot was garbage, he is a slow footed big man that can't do anything outside of put backs. He shot less than 50% in the key, and basically played volleyball with himself under the rim. Leaky black shot 35% from the field and 25% from the three. Brandon Robinson was purified garbage, very inefficient and inconsistent. Brooks was the only other player that could be reliable and that's not saying much. The team was pure garbage.

When was the last time we had a point guard we could rely on to score? Lin? Do you remember how MSG reacted to him? Having a guard that can score in MSG is like the second coming of Jesus where New York becomes the talk in a positive way. Cole has the ability to create for himself and he's able to do it from all areas on the court. Giving him reliable players around him (Barrett/ Woods/Mitchell) helps to put him in a position to where he can put the weight on his fellow teammates. A Cole/Robinson connection would be the best thing sense sliced bread because unlike having Payton/Frank, Cole is a threat from outside so teams can not back off and just play Robinson. A Cole/Woods connection would be great too because a pick and pop option is possible unlike Payton/Randle where the ONLY option is to go to the hoops. Personally I wouldn't mind a Cole/Frank back court with RJ at the 3, but Bullock would work well too.

Now don't get me wrong I love Hayes and Haliburton, Haliburton being the safe bet, but are we as fans willing to wait another 3-4 years on Hayes? People on this board would call him a bust on the first week because he wont be good enough to push Frank out of the starting seat. Cole to me, although I don't feel like he will be that "Dame, Fransis, Marbury, B. Davis, Walls level of a star, I do see him as a Lowry, Conley, Murray level player. A guy that may not be that All Star player, but plays close to that level. Someone that you don't cringe when he goes to take an outside shot, someone that your not hollering "SHOOT THE DAMN BALL!" when he's open at the top of key.

The thing I like most about Cole is his confidence to take over when needed. He's caught a lot of flak for the same reasons Melo did when he was here. Get the ball with 2 seconds left on the clock after everyone else has failed and expect him to do something with the ball. We talk about efficiency and numbers, but fail to observe a players surroundings, oh player A doesn't pass the ball to player B who only makes 25% of the 10 shots he takes. Cole is my pick and will forever be my pick, if we don't get him I feel (like Donovan Mitchell or SGA) we will regret not picking him up.


i hear all that. but cole's shooting was abysmal. not a good look for someone whose biggest draw is his ability to "get his."


No it wasn't. His shooting was amongst the best in the nation. He was terrible driving inside but that was mainly due to running into walls that were built down there because of lack of spacing on the UNC team. He had trouble finishing around multiple defenders in the paint but his aggressiveness still earned him plenty of trips to the line, almost 6 per game. Those opportunities to finish in the paint should get much better in the NBA as long as he gets proper floor spacing.
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Post#942 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:26 pm

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aq_ua wrote:I know we’ve got our hearts set on a point guard in the lottery...but... Devin Vassell anyone? Seems like the perfect combination of size, shooting, creativity and defense at the two guard slot. Rather than try to pick from the flawed point guard prospects, seems we would be better off picking up a prototypical shooting guard that would fit nicely with RJ instead.


If Hayes and Haliburton are gone, I think Vassell makes a lot of sense and is high on my board. Could be a really nice SG/wing to pair next to RJ.

If we could somehow trade up with our other pick for Kira Lewis and come away with Vassell and Lewis that could be a nice draft.

I started watching more of him and I think I was wrong on him. He’s more creative off the bounce than I thought. Some untapped potential to be a nice scorer while being a great defender. Kira Lewis + Vassell would be a pretty good draft
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Post#943 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:46 pm

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malik959 wrote:Man what did anyone expect Cole to do with this sorry North Carolina team? Bacot was garbage, he is a slow footed big man that can't do anything outside of put backs. He shot less than 50% in the key, and basically played volleyball with himself under the rim. Leaky black shot 35% from the field and 25% from the three. Brandon Robinson was purified garbage, very inefficient and inconsistent. Brooks was the only other player that could be reliable and that's not saying much. The team was pure garbage.

When was the last time we had a point guard we could rely on to score? Lin? Do you remember how MSG reacted to him? Having a guard that can score in MSG is like the second coming of Jesus where New York becomes the talk in a positive way. Cole has the ability to create for himself and he's able to do it from all areas on the court. Giving him reliable players around him (Barrett/ Woods/Mitchell) helps to put him in a position to where he can put the weight on his fellow teammates. A Cole/Robinson connection would be the best thing sense sliced bread because unlike having Payton/Frank, Cole is a threat from outside so teams can not back off and just play Robinson. A Cole/Woods connection would be great too because a pick and pop option is possible unlike Payton/Randle where the ONLY option is to go to the hoops. Personally I wouldn't mind a Cole/Frank back court with RJ at the 3, but Bullock would work well too.

Now don't get me wrong I love Hayes and Haliburton, Haliburton being the safe bet, but are we as fans willing to wait another 3-4 years on Hayes? People on this board would call him a bust on the first week because he wont be good enough to push Frank out of the starting seat. Cole to me, although I don't feel like he will be that "Dame, Fransis, Marbury, B. Davis, Walls level of a star, I do see him as a Lowry, Conley, Murray level player. A guy that may not be that All Star player, but plays close to that level. Someone that you don't cringe when he goes to take an outside shot, someone that your not hollering "SHOOT THE DAMN BALL!" when he's open at the top of key.

The thing I like most about Cole is his confidence to take over when needed. He's caught a lot of flak for the same reasons Melo did when he was here. Get the ball with 2 seconds left on the clock after everyone else has failed and expect him to do something with the ball. We talk about efficiency and numbers, but fail to observe a players surroundings, oh player A doesn't pass the ball to player B who only makes 25% of the 10 shots he takes. Cole is my pick and will forever be my pick, if we don't get him I feel (like Donovan Mitchell or SGA) we will regret not picking him up.


i hear all that. but cole's shooting was abysmal. not a good look for someone whose biggest draw is his ability to "get his."


No it wasn't. His shooting was amongst the best in the nation. He was terrible driving inside but that was mainly due to running into walls that were built down there because of lack of spacing on the UNC team. He had trouble finishing around multiple defenders in the paint but his aggressiveness still earned him plenty of trips to the line, almost 6 per game. Those opportunities to finish in the paint should get much better in the NBA as long as he gets proper floor spacing.


i was talking about the overall FG%. thank you for making the distinction. i know the kid has a good looking jump shot.

i would think his ability to get into the paint would be less at the NBA level. but, i think he could thrive in an environment like you describe. if the lanes are there, he's dangerous.

i do still have concerns about his passing.

i remember being VERY excited about him before the NCAA season.
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Post#944 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:50 pm

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i hear all that. but cole's shooting was abysmal. not a good look for someone whose biggest draw is his ability to "get his."


No it wasn't. His shooting was amongst the best in the nation. He was terrible driving inside but that was mainly due to running into walls that were built down there because of lack of spacing on the UNC team. He had trouble finishing around multiple defenders in the paint but his aggressiveness still earned him plenty of trips to the line, almost 6 per game. Those opportunities to finish in the paint should get much better in the NBA as long as he gets proper floor spacing.


i was talking about the overall FG%. thank you for making the distinction. i know the kid has a good looking jump shot.

i would think his ability to get into the paint would be less at the NBA level. but, i think he could thrive in an environment like you describe. if the lanes are there, he's dangerous.

i do still have concerns about his passing.

i remember being VERY excited about him before the NCAA season.


which one of you did this?

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/new-york-knicks-projected-starting-five-with-cole-anthony-at-point-guard/
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Post#945 » by Jeff Van Gully » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:53 pm

i guess cole's passing and lack thereof this season DID have a lot to do with his role on a team full of bums. i'm having to give more thought to where i'd take cole.

he and lamelo are the 2 PGs with the star potential that's obvious. maybe we should be thinking about the home run, even at 6.
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Post#946 » by god shammgod » Tue Jun 9, 2020 4:55 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:i guess cole's passing and lack thereof this season DID have a lot to do with his role on a team full of bums. i'm having to give more thought to where i'd take cole.

he and lamelo are the 2 PGs with the star potential that's obvious. maybe we should be thinking about the home run, even at 6.


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Post#947 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:05 pm

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No it wasn't. His shooting was amongst the best in the nation. He was terrible driving inside but that was mainly due to running into walls that were built down there because of lack of spacing on the UNC team. He had trouble finishing around multiple defenders in the paint but his aggressiveness still earned him plenty of trips to the line, almost 6 per game. Those opportunities to finish in the paint should get much better in the NBA as long as he gets proper floor spacing.


i was talking about the overall FG%. thank you for making the distinction. i know the kid has a good looking jump shot.

i would think his ability to get into the paint would be less at the NBA level. but, i think he could thrive in an environment like you describe. if the lanes are there, he's dangerous.

i do still have concerns about his passing.

i remember being VERY excited about him before the NCAA season.


which one of you did this?

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/new-york-knicks-projected-starting-five-with-cole-anthony-at-point-guard/


Paul Millsap? Nah, I'm good on that especially with Randle. But there was this

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Post#948 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:06 pm

Most mocks have Cole going late lottery now. Whenever he is going top 10, it’s only to the Knicks cause he’s from NY
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Post#949 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:08 pm

Coleslaw is basically poor mans D Rose when he was on the Knicks
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Post#950 » by RHODEY » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:16 pm

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aq_ua wrote:I know we’ve got our hearts set on a point guard in the lottery...but... Devin Vassell anyone? Seems like the perfect combination of size, shooting, creativity and defense at the two guard slot. Rather than try to pick from the flawed point guard prospects, seems we would be better off picking up a prototypical shooting guard that would fit nicely with RJ instead.


If Hayes and Haliburton are gone, I think Vassell makes a lot of sense and is high on my board. Could be a really nice SG/wing to pair next to RJ.

If we could somehow trade up with our other pick for Kira Lewis and come away with Vassell and Lewis that could be a nice draft.

I started watching more of him and I think I was wrong on him. He’s more creative off the bounce than I thought. Some untapped potential to be a nice scorer while being a great defender. Kira Lewis + Vassell would be a pretty good draft

Agreed those are 2 underrated prospects IMO.
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Post#951 » by god shammgod » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:17 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Coleslaw is basically poor mans D Rose when he was on the Knicks


new sig, who this ?


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Post#952 » by robillionaire » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:18 pm

watchin coleslaw, killin'us hayes and ntiliburton fans eat each other when it's still a 1 man draft that's been spoken into existence like

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Post#953 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:19 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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aq_ua wrote:I know we’ve got our hearts set on a point guard in the lottery...but... Devin Vassell anyone? Seems like the perfect combination of size, shooting, creativity and defense at the two guard slot. Rather than try to pick from the flawed point guard prospects, seems we would be better off picking up a prototypical shooting guard that would fit nicely with RJ instead.


If Hayes and Haliburton are gone, I think Vassell makes a lot of sense and is high on my board. Could be a really nice SG/wing to pair next to RJ.

If we could somehow trade up with our other pick for Kira Lewis and come away with Vassell and Lewis that could be a nice draft.

I started watching more of him and I think I was wrong on him. He’s more creative off the bounce than I thought. Some untapped potential to be a nice scorer while being a great defender. Kira Lewis + Vassell would be a pretty good draft


Yea, he has some room to get better, but also seems like a safe floor. Even if he never becomes a star, but can be a good all-around player.
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Post#954 » by god shammgod » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:21 pm

robillionaire wrote:watchin coleslaw, killin'us hayes and ntiliburton fans eat each other when it's still a 1 man draft that's been spoken into existence like

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i want lamelo 1st, i just don't believe in luck when the knicks are involved
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Post#955 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:25 pm

robillionaire wrote:watchin coleslaw, killin'us hayes and ntiliburton fans eat each other when it's still a 1 man draft that's been spoken into existence like

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Yea, LaMelo looks like the clear #1. If we don't move up it's going to be slim odds that any of the other guys will be stars or franchise players. It is what it is and if we can come away with a good starter I would take that.
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Post#956 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:29 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Coleslaw is basically poor mans D Rose when he was on the Knicks


new sig, who this ?


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I’m on that Hayes wave now mfer :lol:
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Post#957 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:33 pm

Lamelo Ball shot 37% from the field 25% from 3 and 72% from the FT line but his supporters want to talk about Cole Anthony's efficiency

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Post#958 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:35 pm

Lamelo Ball TS% is 46% :rofl:
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Post#959 » by HEZI » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:39 pm

Folks really want to pair RJ and Lamelo up in the backcourt

Yikes! I thought Steve Mills was gone
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Post#960 » by mpharris36 » Tue Jun 9, 2020 5:47 pm

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i want lamelo 1st, i just don't believe in luck when the knicks are involved


so you want to draft a PG with knee problems

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