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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#941 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:00 am

GettinitDone wrote:**** **** **** I got a feeling Mavs would want a sign and trade and being a savvy FO they are they'll definitely ask us for Cam Reddish!!! And being a stupid FO we are, we'll do that. I want Cam to be the franchise player on this team!!


Why on earth would the Mavs want Cam Reddish? Where does he fit on their roster?
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#942 » by GettinitDone » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:25 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:**** **** **** I got a feeling Mavs would want a sign and trade and being a savvy FO they are they'll definitely ask us for Cam Reddish!!! And being a stupid FO we are, we'll do that. I want Cam to be the franchise player on this team!!


Why on earth would the Mavs want Cam Reddish? Where does he fit on their roster?


Jerry West didn't ask same silly question when he added Kobe to a team that already had Eddie Jones. When you have franchise level talent, you get it first and ask questions later.
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#943 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:10 am

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:**** **** **** I got a feeling Mavs would want a sign and trade and being a savvy FO they are they'll definitely ask us for Cam Reddish!!! And being a stupid FO we are, we'll do that. I want Cam to be the franchise player on this team!!


Why on earth would the Mavs want Cam Reddish? Where does he fit on their roster?


Jerry West didn't ask same silly question when he added Kobe to a team that already had Eddie Jones. When you have franchise level talent, you get it first and ask questions later.

You do realize that at the exact age Cam is now Kobe had just won his second Championship ring, averaging 29-7-6 in the playoffs?

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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#944 » by Knicks365247 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:46 am

Dolan gonna Dolan. And I had decided I *really* did NOT want Brunson on this team. Oh well.. maybe I can start rooting for the Nuggets? Is a username change possible?
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#945 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Jun 3, 2022 8:58 am

Knicks365247 wrote:Dolan gonna Dolan. And I had decided I *really* did NOT want Brunson on this team. Oh well.. maybe I can start rooting for the Nuggets? Is a username change possible?

Certainly is. I'm recommending Nuggs352467eiFZPE :D
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#946 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 3, 2022 10:26 am

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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Why on earth would the Mavs want Cam Reddish? Where does he fit on their roster?


Jerry West didn't ask same silly question when he added Kobe to a team that already had Eddie Jones. When you have franchise level talent, you get it first and ask questions later.

You do realize that at the exact age Cam is now Kobe had just won his second Championship ring, averaging 29-7-6 in the playoffs?

idfk.


Well, Kobe was one of the greatest ever, and had the opportunity to start playing in the NBA at 17, right?

I think Cam has some untapped potential, but then again, there are reasons it's untapped and it can't all be the Hawks had too many wings and Thibs.

Still, you'd think the Knicks, last year and this, would at least want to give him 20 mpg to see if there's any decent chance of him getting to another level, before committing $ to him, unless their plan was always to flip him in a trade, which I wouldn't specifically care about, as long as it's a GOOD trade.

It's the Knicks, so it won't be a good trade.
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#947 » by DOT » Fri Jun 3, 2022 11:15 am

thebuzzardman wrote:I think Cam has some untapped potential, but then again, there are reasons it's untapped and it can't all be the Hawks had too many wings and Thibs.

Still, you'd think the Knicks, last year and this, would at least want to give him 20 mpg to see if there's any decent chance of him getting to another level, before committing $ to him

I agree

I think you might be able to argue Cam having the highest ceiling of anyone on the team, but his potential is almost entirely untapped

Also, I don't love that we really only have 1 year to evaluate him before making a decision. I feel like even if he does do well, some team is gonna offer him a lot more than he's worth, and we're not gonna match cause he won't be worth that, and we'll lose him for nothing

Which, when you consider we more or less traded the 19th pick in the draft for him last year, is not great. Granted, none of the guys around that pick had great rookie years, but still. Also, the original trade of 19 for a future top 16 protected first and nothing else is still a completely asinine trade.
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#948 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:20 pm

GettinitDone wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:**** **** **** I got a feeling Mavs would want a sign and trade and being a savvy FO they are they'll definitely ask us for Cam Reddish!!! And being a stupid FO we are, we'll do that. I want Cam to be the franchise player on this team!!


He might be able to be the franchise player on our G-League team. 8-)


Cam has more talent in his pinkie toe than your RJ and Julius have head to toe combined, but you or Thibs can't see it.


Every player that comes out of college has talent, the question is which ones can transfer that talent over to the NBA which Cam hasn't been able to do so far like Randle and RJ have.

Anything else?? :crazy:
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#949 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:47 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:I think Cam has some untapped potential, but then again, there are reasons it's untapped and it can't all be the Hawks had too many wings and Thibs.

Still, you'd think the Knicks, last year and this, would at least want to give him 20 mpg to see if there's any decent chance of him getting to another level, before committing $ to him

I agree

I think you might be able to argue Cam having the highest ceiling of anyone on the team, but his potential is almost entirely untapped

Also, I don't love that we really only have 1 year to evaluate him before making a decision. I feel like even if he does do well, some team is gonna offer him a lot more than he's worth, and we're not gonna match cause he won't be worth that, and we'll lose him for nothing

Which, when you consider we more or less traded the 19th pick in the draft for him last year, is not great. Granted, none of the guys around that pick had great rookie years, but still. Also, the original trade of 19 for a future top 16 protected first and nothing else is still a completely asinine trade.


Did that pick convey to the Hornets? I see they are picking 13 and 15 (they'll probably trade up to move ahead of the Knicks), but I think the protection on the pick means it may go in 2023, or it becomes a 2nd rounder.

I don't mind they took that shot, but yeah, you'd think if they did that, they'd actually play him.

That's what you get with a FO by committee, I guess.
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#950 » by DOT » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:13 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Did that pick convey to the Hornets? I see they are picking 13 and 15 (they'll probably trade up to move ahead of the Knicks), but I think the protection on the pick means it may go in 2023, or it becomes a 2nd rounder.

I don't mind they took that shot, but yeah, you'd think if they did that, they'd actually play him.

That's what you get with a FO by committee, I guess.

Yeah, so it's not conveying this year (it was protected 1-18), next year it's protected 1-16, and lotto protected in 24 and 25. After that, it becomes a 2nd in both 26 and 27

So it's only a first if the Hornets make the playoffs in the next 3 years. It was, at best, deferring the pick to the future. So far, not terrible because nobody picked in that range had a spectacular rookie season, but we'll revisit it once everything is said and done

It feels like we have everybody in the FO trying to do things their own way, but nobody can agree on a plan, so we can never really make progress. Thibs wants to collect vets and push for the 9th seed, Leon wants to save up assets for a star, Perry's trying to prove his reclamation projects work, and Aller is trying to be the "we have Presti at home" guy and just collect a ton of 2nd rounders.
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Post#952 » by Nazrmohamed » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:23 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Why on earth would the Mavs want Cam Reddish? Where does he fit on their roster?


Jerry West didn't ask same silly question when he added Kobe to a team that already had Eddie Jones. When you have franchise level talent, you get it first and ask questions later.

You do realize that at the exact age Cam is now Kobe had just won his second Championship ring, averaging 29-7-6 in the playoffs?

idfk.



Lol are we talking about the same player here. I like Cam too but at this point it's all potential with him. I don't even know that there's even one skill where you can pencil him in garauntee you'll get that from him every night.

However the Kobe comparison is a bit unfair don't you think. We're talking generational talent. Reddish will probably settle in somewhere between 7th man up to 3rd option and even that is a generous prediction. When you're in danger of having Quinten Grimes steal your shine...that's not a good look
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Post#955 » by Fat Kat » Sat Jun 4, 2022 12:47 am

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https://deadspin.com/rick-brunson-accused-of-sexual-assault-using-patrick-1602505475/amp
He had formerly booked massages with the alleged victim 10-20 times over a three-year period "always using his name," the police report stated. On April 2, "she was surprised to see Brunson when she walked into the massage room since the name in the appointment book was not Brunson's but listed as Patrick Ewing."

According to the record, "Brunson admitted to her that he booked the massage under a different name. … (She) believed he used a fake name to book the massage because she had told him in 2013 that she would not massage him anymore. (She) reluctantly agreed to massage him since he was already there."
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Re: Jalen Brunson obsession 

Post#956 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Jun 4, 2022 1:19 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
GettinitDone wrote:
Jerry West didn't ask same silly question when he added Kobe to a team that already had Eddie Jones. When you have franchise level talent, you get it first and ask questions later.

You do realize that at the exact age Cam is now Kobe had just won his second Championship ring, averaging 29-7-6 in the playoffs?

idfk.


Well, Kobe was one of the greatest ever, and had the opportunity to start playing in the NBA at 17, right?

Well it wasn't me who suggested Reddish was a "franchise level talent" and, implicitly, comparable to Kobe.

fwiw, Kobe entered the league at 18 and in his third year (aged 20) started every game for the Lakers (and won the Championship). He was not struggling to break into the team, held back by the 1998-1999 Lakers equivalents of Bogie, Huerter and the skeleton of Gallo or whoever was doing the holding back in Atlanta and Grimes, Burks and whoever kept him to minimal playing time in New York.

thebuzzardman wrote:I think Cam has some untapped potential, but then again, there are reasons it's untapped and it can't all be the Hawks had too many wings and Thibs.


You'd think so.

thebuzzardman wrote: Still, you'd think the Knicks, last year and this, would at least want to give him 20 mpg to see if there's any decent chance of him getting to another level, before committing $ to him, unless their plan was always to flip him in a trade, which I wouldn't specifically care about, as long as it's a GOOD trade.

It's the Knicks, so it won't be a good trade.

I'm happy with the theory that they're all pulling in different directions and hence there's no reason at all to expect the Knicks to give him playing time. If there was a coherent plan and it was to use 20 minutes/game on speculative development then the playing time should go to players who are under the Knicks control for longer lengths of time.
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Post#957 » by bleedblue3303 » Sat Jun 4, 2022 4:41 pm

F.O. wanted Jalen. But Thibs overruled and went with Rick because he has more experience. hhahaah
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Post#958 » by bearadonisdna » Sun Jun 5, 2022 8:11 pm

So jalen, apparently the least discussed brunson on this page, said looking a FVF size contract.
Sounds extremely fair, sounds along the lines of 20Mish per year, its about what lonzo got last year.
Brunson can play his exact role he did in dallas, if Rj pushes him off the ball which won't be as much as luka.

last year i got comfortable playing guards at the 3, with some defensive prowess you actually dont lose that much, ( given you have a stacked backcourt more or less)
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Post#959 » by 8516knicks » Mon Jun 6, 2022 12:20 am

I'd be up for pairing Jalen B with another guard like Mitchel. IQ as 3rd in trio. RJ to SF.

Have no idea how to get there.

Obviously Randle and Fournier and Kemba and Noel would (and) have to go to go. :nod:

If we could just do it with a few picks (not all) plus a Grimes and or Obi (unless that last 5 games Obi was for real) it's worth a shot.

Get to poorman's Dallas and then hope to snag a frontcourt draft pick down the line (unless Obi's for real).

Is Mitch good enough to be a very poor man's Gobert? I have serious doubts.

Would rather have a Poetll who can score the ball. Even the Z guy from the Lakers/Clippers (I actually forget who he plays for now).

I dunno - bored and tired with the 37-42 win range being our ceiling. Need some wine. :lol:

Besides we know it'll be the SOS. :wink:
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Post#960 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:28 am

8516knicks wrote:I'd be up for pairing Jalen B with another guard like Mitchel. IQ as 3rd in trio. RJ to SF.

Have no idea how to get there.

Obviously Randle and Fournier and Kemba and Noel would (and) have to go to go. :nod:

If we could just do it with a few picks (not all) plus a Grimes and or Obi (unless that last 5 games Obi was for real) it's worth a shot.

Get to poorman's Dallas and then hope to snag a frontcourt draft pick down the line (unless Obi's for real).

Is Mitch good enough to be a very poor man's Gobert? I have serious doubts.

Would rather have a Poetll who can score the ball. Even the Z guy from the Lakers/Clippers (I actually forget who he plays for now).

I dunno - bored and tired with the 37-42 win range being our ceiling. Need some wine. :lol:

Besides we know it'll be the SOS. :wink:

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I'm a Mitch afcionado .. he can be Gobert level good imo.

But the Knicks don't have control over Mitch (and the double snt Mitch-Jalen is super hard to achieve).

fwiw, I don't think Brunson is available at all now.

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