Knicks Free Agency Frenzy Part Deux

[Jeff Van Gully]

i think we are one last flip away (randle and/or fournier) from being litty. i also think the team as constructed would go in ppl mouf serg abaka.

[sol537]

jazz would hang up

Then we move along. RJ and Obi can continue to improve.

I think the workings of a deal are there but I think they’d want at least 2 genuine unprotected Knicks picks in the deal

Gotta draw a line somewhere and if other teams will go last that, then so be it. I have a feeling that offer would be at or near the top…

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Ainge trades Mitchell, I am not even sure how much interest he would have in RJ. He will mostly try a full rebuild thru the draft so may not really want to pay RJ.

He may not want him because maybe he doesn’t think much of him as a player but I’m pretty sure he’s not thinking that if they get RJ he’s too good for your team to tank with him lol.

More so that he may not want to give RJ a huge contract right away

[stuporman]

If I’m D. Mitchell I would absolutely want out if Utah now and would do all I could to engineer a trade to my preferred landing spot. And it’s not because the Jazz may not be competitive this year as they look to enter the tank sweepstakes for Frenchicorn.

It’s because Ainge has proven himself to be totally ruthless with regard to his own players. So, Mitchell should be working to get out of there now before Ainge picks his next team for him at the time and place of Ainge’s, not his, choosing.

With that said, though I like the player, I really hope we do not trade for Mitchell as Ainge would undoubtedly take our soul and leave us barren.

He can't force a trade and neither can KD. They are under contract for years. They can give wish lists if they want but, it doesn't matter much at all. Teams will line up for both players. The best deals will decide their fate.

Seems you haven’t been paying attention to the realities of the Player Empowerment Era.
It might help to review some real world case studies. I suggest starting with Anthony Davis, Paul George, and James Harden.

So we're living in P.E.E.? um....ew

[offense]

would you guys trade rj,mitch and pick for donovan?

[EricAnderson]

would you guys trade rj,mitch and pick for donovan?

On paper yes without thinking. I don’t think much of any of those guys

My only issue is Mitchell is a flawed player and going all in with him and Brunson is gonna get us where exactly?

But unfortunately I don’t see any better alternatives on the horizon.

[evevale]

Trade for Mitchell, Bring back Melo on the MLE and the off season is complete

you just want to trade for mitchell so you don't have to change your avatar

very bad, lazy person

[offense]

would you guys trade rj,mitch and pick for donovan?

On paper yes without thinking. I don’t think much of any of those guys

My only issue is Mitchell is a flawed player and going all in with him and Brunson is gonna get us where exactly?

But unfortunately I don’t see any better alternatives on the horizon.

flawed in what way?

[EricAnderson]

would you guys trade rj,mitch and pick for donovan?

On paper yes without thinking. I don’t think much of any of those guys

My only issue is Mitchell is a flawed player and going all in with him and Brunson is gonna get us where exactly?

But unfortunately I don’t see any better alternatives on the horizon.

flawed in what way?

Small guard who’s inefficient

[Juggynaut]

would you guys trade rj,mitch and pick for donovan?

On paper yes without thinking. I don’t think much of any of those guys

My only issue is Mitchell is a flawed player and going all in with him and Brunson is gonna get us where exactly?

But unfortunately I don’t see any better alternatives on the horizon.

flawed in what way?

He's like Evan Fournier on defense except he's also 6'1.

[KnixinSix]

I don't love the idea of a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt, especially if RJ is going out and Fournier is staying, that perimeter defense is gonna suck so hard

And it depends on what specifically the Jazz would want from us

I would rather use Randle as a trade piece than RJ, but I do think Mitchell is good enough that I'd send out RJ for him, of course depending on what else the Jazz want

If it's a thing where they Jazz want all our youth and picks to go along with RJ, then I'd probably step back because you're essentially locking yourself into a Brunson/Mitchell/Randle core with no likely avenues to get pieces around them to support them going forward

Quick and Obi could go, I think Quick would have a hard time finding a role with two other small guards who need minutes, and since we'd be committing to Randle, that means Obi also has a limited role with us. I'd want to keep Grimes, I think he's sort of the perfect complimentary guy, he can play next to either Brunson or Mitchell and in some cases both but him going isn't a deal breaker. Cam is one of those guys who the idea of is better than the actual player, so I would be fine letting him go as well

I guess basically I don't have anyone on the untouchable list, and while I'd prefer to keep RJ to pair with Mitchell over any other young player, I understand he's also our most valuable trade piece and I'd be fine with sending him out, but if they're asking for all the above plus picks, I don't think that's worth it.

I’d still do it and then look to upgrade with a wing defender going forward. Either in trade or draft 4 of them or something. Don’t have to complete the puzzle in one summer but would be nice to get a couple pieces

Jazz had no problems long as they had an anchor and we do as well. Not many scoring defending all stars are out there to add to this team.

I rather get first half defensive RJ again and have a potent offense. Mitchell CAN play defense. Idk what made him stop in Utah but under Thibs he will be back.

You look at the sub 27 year old group in the NBA and there aren't many that are quite as elite as the top top guys who are a few years older and many of which are starting to break down. Mitchell is pretty much one of the top in the sub 27 group though he obviously is not an in the prime Embiid, LeBron, KD , Harden etc. He is also a fairly durable player thus far. He is more a needle mover than Dejounte.

[KnixinSix]

On paper yes without thinking. I don’t think much of any of those guys

My only issue is Mitchell is a flawed player and going all in with him and Brunson is gonna get us where exactly?

But unfortunately I don’t see any better alternatives on the horizon.

flawed in what way?

He's like Evan Fournier on defense except he's also 6'1.

This line of thinking has been driving me a bit crazy because no one seems to acknowledge the type of rotation and combinations we can put out at both SG/PG.

And these arent even all of them....

Taller, more defense:
RJ/Mitch
Grimes/Mitch
RJ/Brunson
Grimes/Brunson


3 Ball:
IQ, Mitch
IQ, Brunson


Perimeter D:

Grimes/McBride

Pure scoring and dynamic (especially when other team doesnt have a dangerous backcourt to defend):

Mitchell/Brunson

The Mitchell/Brunson combination can be played 18-25 minutes a game depending on matchups than 1 or the other with another backcourt mate most of the rest of the game.

This comes down to Thibs and his sytem and rotations more than anything else. If utilized the right way that would be an amazing backcourt.

[DaGawd]

Trade for Mitchell, Bring back Melo on the MLE and the off season is complete

you just want to trade for mitchell so you don't have to change your avatar

very bad, lazy person

[Capn'O]

Knicks should try to swoop in on that Durant trade and get Mikal Bridges. We can offer draft compensation, prospects, and salary filler like Evan. Or even Randle.

Brunson
RJ
Mikal
Randle
Mitch

[Oscirus]

Knicks should try to swoop in on that Durant trade and get Mikal Bridges. We can offer draft compensation, prospects, and salary filler like Evan. Or even Randle.

Brunson
RJ
Mikal
Randle
Mitch

why would the nets not want bridges?

[spree8]

Knicks should try to swoop in on that Durant trade and get Mikal Bridges. We can offer draft compensation, prospects, and salary filler like Evan. Or even Randle.

Brunson
RJ
Mikal
Randle
Mitch

That'll cost us a pretty penny. I don't see that as a possibility, but would love it.

[Oscirus]

RJ and Randle suck.

So yes, it's something that's inevitably going to come up when discussing roster construction.

You could make the same comment but in reverse about uh, "RJ is great" for any other poster who preaches extending RJ, or building around him or with him for the long-term future.

The difference is my position is informed by overwhelming statistical evidence, and theirs is based on nothing but wishful thinking.

I am glad the Knicks traded KP before maxing him out. I thought the Knicks should have traded Randle before extending him. One day you will figure out it was never personal.

I hope that all RJ fans (including me) are coming at you all season when he looks great.

What's the statistical standard for "looking great"?

Because some people have argued that he "looked great" this past season even though no advanced impact metric painted him as a net positive (on either end), and he was in the bottom of the league in efficiency as primarily a scorer.

So I'm skeptical of these subjective assessments.

Therefore, are you expecting him to be efficient scoring the ball next season? Are you expecting him to have a tangible impact on defense that can be measured by defensive RAPM, or defensive RAPTOR? Do you expect him to make plays for his teammates relative to his usage? All of the above? Do you expect the Knicks to make the playoffs thanks to his contributions?

yes we get it mister 30 and 5 isnt a great season. You will hold rj and only rj up to a higher standard and only acknowledge him when he hits certain numbers for certain stats and the team finishes no.1 in the east while at the same time at least making the ecf. But until then he sucks and must be traded asap for the purpose of some tank job that this front office will never sign off.

[Capn'O]

Knicks should try to swoop in on that Durant trade and get Mikal Bridges. We can offer draft compensation, prospects, and salary filler like Evan. Or even Randle.

Brunson
RJ
Mikal
Randle
Mitch

why would the nets not want bridges?

They may prefer draft compensation and/or a guy like Cam

Doesn't hurt to ask.

[spree8]

I don't even care about Mitchell anymore, just get rid of Fournier at least so we can see Cam play. I'm even fine with keeping Randle because it'll be a surefire way to the lotto.


Brunson/Rose/Deuce
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Cam/Keels
Julius/Obi/Taj
Mitch/Hart/Sims

On the road to 30-52, let's gooo!

[Capn'O]

We are just a humble a bedraggled franchise here to help other teams achieve their dreams.