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Post#941 » by ewingxmanstarks » Sat May 28, 2011 1:25 am

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glad to make u laugh....thanks for proving my point...ur not better than anyone because of ur job, degree, or age.


Let's not get carried away. I didn't say all that. And I certainly didn't prove any silly little point you think you might have made. Don't mistake my laughing at you for that.

Time to wake up, son.


OK, FarLeftWingo, if u say u weren't stereotyping, than u weren't (wink, wink).

satisfy my curiosity...whats ur take on the Ed Shultz Laura Ingraham fiasco?
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Post#942 » by mugzi » Sat May 28, 2011 9:41 am

tuckerfor3 wrote:The forces of evil?

Weren't you supposed to be Mr. Civil Discourse?



He's the poster child for the liberal demogouging hypocrite.

From the vilest depths from whence they came so shall they return. :lol:
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Post#943 » by mugzi » Mon May 30, 2011 2:03 am

Score one for the 1st amendment.

First Amendment Trumps Sharia in Dearborn
American Thinker Blog | May 29, 2011 | Andrew G. Bostom


A rare and striking vindication of American free speech principles came this week, setting back those American Muslims who believe that in their own enclaves, sharia-based restrictions on religious freedom should exist.

A seminal, if ominous report released May 17, 2011 by the Center for Security Policy described fifty appellate court cases from 23 states which involve conflicts between Islamic law-Sharia-and American state law. Nothwithstanding the delusive mindslaughter on display across America's political spectrum which denies Sharia encroachment in the US, the CSP analysis revealed that,

Sharia has been applied or formally recognized in state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy.

But the grim, seemingly inexorable, progressive acceptance of Sharia-based mores in the US-despite this totalitarian religio-political "law" being antithetical to American law-was at least temporarily reversed late last week, in of all places, Dearborn, Michigan. The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2:1 on Thursday May 26, 2011 (in GEORGE SAIEG, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. CITY OF DEARBORN; RONALD HADDAD, Dearborn Chief of Police ) that Dearborn, and its police department, violated the free-speech rights of a Christian evangelist by barring him from handing out leaflets at an Arab-American street festival last year. The court's two judge majority opinion concluded,

On the free speech claim, we REVERSE the district court's grant of summary judgment to the defendants and its denial of summary judgment to the plaintiffs. We thereby invalidate the leafleting restriction within both the inner and outer perimeters of the Festival.1 The restriction on the sidewalks that are directly adjacent to the Festival attractions does not serve a substantial government interest. The City keeps those same sidewalks open for public traffic and permits sidewalk vendors, whose activity is more obstructive to sidewalk traffic flow than pedestrian leafleting is. Moreover, the prohibition of pedestrian leafleting in the outer perimeter is not narrowly tailored to the goal of isolating inner areas from vehicular traffic. The City can be held liable because the Chief of Police, who instituted the leafleting restriction, created official municipal policy.

Elaborating on the issue of Dearborn's liability for depriving George Saieg, an American Christian pastor of Sudanese descent, of his first amendment rights, the judges opined,

The City may be held liable for the restriction of Saieg's free speech rights that the leafleting restriction caused. A municipality is liable if a constitutional injury results from a policy or custom "made by its lawmakers or by those whose edicts or acts may fairly be said to represent official policy." Monell v. Dep't of Soc. Servs., 436 U.S. 658, 694-95 (1978). In this case, the City approved the Festival "subject to . . . the rules and regulations of the Police Department." R. 47-13 (Ex. M: Council Resolution)...Chief Haddad described the leafleting policy as his department's policy, subject only to the approval of the city council and the mayor. R. 47-11 (Ex. K: Haddad Dep. at 95-96) (stating that "the police department will supply the standards that must be met," such as the "prohibition of individuals handing out . . . materials on the public sidewalk"). The police department's leafleting policy, made with the authority that the City Council delegated to it, fairly represents official City policy. Therefore, Saieg may hold the City liable for violating his First Amendment right to free speech.

Most remarkably, the majority opinion of Justices Moore and Clay included a salient observation revealing how these judges understood the Sharia-based objections to non-Muslim proselytization which motivated Dearborn's attempt to abrogate Pastor Saeig's freedom of speech-mainstream Islam's continued rejection of freedom of conscience:

Saieg also faces a more basic problem with booth-based evangelism: "[t]he penalty of leaving Islam according to Islamic books is death," which makes Muslims reluctant to approach a booth that is publicly "labeled as . . . Christian." R. 48 (Ex. A: Saieg Dep. at 75). Saieg believes that evangelism is more effective when he can roam the Festival and speak to Muslims more discreetly.

Roberta Aluffi Beck-Peccoz, Associate Professor of Comparative Law at the University of Turin, made this rather understated assessment of contemporary Islamdom's strict opposition to the proselytization of Muslims by non-Muslims-rooted in the Sharia, and ultimately, the grave offense of "ridda," or apostasy from Islam, deemed "treasonous" against the Muslim community, and punishable by death under Islamic Law-published in 2010:

Islamic States have always strongly opposed this specific freedom [i.e., freedom of conscience as per the first amendment of the US Bill of Rights, or more specifically article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights], claiming that it contravenes Islamic Law. [Note: It does, and that is why the 57 Muslim nation Organization of the Islamic Conference drafted and ratified the antithetical Cairo Declaration which insists upon having Sharia exert supremacy over all "manmade" law!]...Moreover they express fear that proselytism represents a kind of foreign interference in their internal affairs. Consistently, Islamic States do not favor proselytism; they sometimes tend to restrict it even in its lightest forms, such as the simple expression of one's intimate beliefs...Proselytism is perceived as a major threat to the coherence and cohesion of the umma [i.e., the global Muslim community]: it can lead to ridda [apostasy from Islam] the paradigm of political treason, or fitna, the temptation, the civil war involving doctyrinal dissensions...

Even in moderate, pseudo-secular Arab Tunisia-prior to the "Jasmine revolution" which may have already empowered the formerly banned Tunisian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood under Rachid Ghannouchi-according to a 2010 US State Department report,

It was illegal to proselytize to Muslims as the government viewed such efforts as disturbing the public order.

Neighboring Morocco, also deemed "moderate," aggressively deports Christians who dare proselytize to Muslims. The globally representative Sharia-based penal law (circa1982) of Comoros (the Muslim archipelago island nation in the Indian Ocean, located off the eastern coast of Africa, on the northern end of the Mozambique), for example, defines the "criminal" proselytizer as one who, "...indulges, promotes, or teaches Muslims a religion other than Islam."

The attempt by Dearborn's large Muslim population to enforce Sharia-based injunctions against non-Muslim proselytism confirms local attitudes documented via polling data collected in 2003, and reported during 2004. "The Detroit Mosque Study: Muslim Views on Policy and Religion," was conducted by Ihsan Bagby an Associate Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Kentucky and a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy Understanding-a Muslim organization. Data were gathered during the summer of 2003 and published online in 2004.

These alarming results were described on page 37 of the report:

Mosque participants were asked, whether they agree or disagree with the statement, "Shari'ah should be the law of the land in Muslim countries?"

Apply Islamic Law in Muslim Lands
Strongly Agree - 59%
Somewhat Agree - 22%(i.e., collectively = 81%)

Somewhat Disagree - 8%
Strongly Disagree - 3%
Don't Know - 8%

Such data supposedly reflected the Detroit area (read Dearborn) Muslims views of "Islamic countries," only. But given the intrinsic, universally supremacist nature of Islam and the global umma (i.e., as stated in Koran 3:110, and the Orwellian-named Universal Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, "Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah"), once an area has a Muslim majority it is assumed by Muslims that Islamic Law should prevail-hence the "enclave" phenomenon, now evident in the United States.

Following the issuance of the verdict, Pastor Saeig's intrepid attorney, Robert Muise of the Thomas More Law Center, made these apposite remarks, which all who cherish our unique Western freedoms must heed, and support:

Everybody should be pleased. Dearborn is getting a pretty strong reputation as being the enemy of the First Amendment. As long as they keep passing these draconian restrictions that violate the rights of everyone, we're going to challenge them.
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Post#944 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 2:15 am

mugzi, the American Thinker blog is trash. Why don't you ever cite a legitimate and respected news source?
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Post#945 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 2:25 am

ewingxmanstarks wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote:
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glad to make u laugh....thanks for proving my point...ur not better than anyone because of ur job, degree, or age.


Let's not get carried away. I didn't say all that. And I certainly didn't prove any silly little point you think you might have made. Don't mistake my laughing at you for that.

Time to wake up, son.


OK, FarLeftWingo, if u say u weren't stereotyping, than u weren't (wink, wink).

satisfy my curiosity...whats ur take on the Ed Shultz Laura Ingraham fiasco?



There are two defenses Ed has: (1) "mistake" ... he was actually referring to Anne Coulter; and (2) "truth" ... Ingraham is a slut (actually, to be accurate, he should have called her "a stupid slut. "

But, if what Ed said about Laura offends and galls you so much (which I doubt), then I guess you must be also offended over the all the scandalous names that your buddies on the radical right call the President, or any other democrat who happens to come into the crosshairs of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and all the other wackos.

At least Ed had the courage to offer a real apology. When do you ever get THAT from anyone on the right? And, by the way, she accepted it.
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Post#946 » by mugzi » Mon May 30, 2011 2:28 am

I don't subscribe to your brand of groupthink media comrade Wingo. So the AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc can kiss my rear.

Would you have said the same thing if this came from a HuffPost blog? Of course you wouldn't. But this wouldnt qualify under progressive drivel that they publish.

And everything that post said was spot on. Sharia is a scourge that belongs no where near America. They want to practice sharia do it in the middle east, where honor killings and repression of democracy is the rule and not the exception.
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Post#947 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 2:28 am

tuckerfor3 wrote:The forces of evil?

Weren't you supposed to be Mr. Civil Discourse?


That was "uncivil"? lol. I know republicans think they're the only ones who can bash a skull or two. Not true. Yes, I'm a dove, but in the words of Johnny Cash, "I'm a dove with claws."
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Post#948 » by mugzi » Mon May 30, 2011 2:38 am

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There are two defenses Ed has: (1) "mistake" ... he was actually referring to Anne Coulter; and (2) "truth" ... Ingraham is a slut (actually, to be accurate, he should have called her "a stupid slut. "

But, if what Ed said about Laura offends and galls you so much (which I doubt), then I guess you must be also offended over the all the scandalous names that your buddies on the radical right call the President, or any other democrat who happens to come into the crosshairs of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and all the other wackos.

At least Ed had the courage to offer a real apology. When do you ever get THAT from anyone on the right? And, by the way, she accepted it.


Ed Schultz is a blithering idiot, anyone who watched him, respects him or considers him a journalist instead of a partisan caricature pretty much reveals themselves for what they are. And this was before his comments, Ive always known Sgt. Schultz was a big windbag.

And Wingo, you can't claim the moral high road as a liberal and condone these kind of comments. It exposes the fallacy of your politics, your morals and the modus operandi of how liberals operate.

Oh and cue the video at 3:08 theres some pwnage. Ed Schultz, Wingo's hero.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOCa61l2zw[/youtube]
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Post#949 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 3:39 am

mugzi wrote:
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There are two defenses Ed has: (1) "mistake" ... he was actually referring to Anne Coulter; and (2) "truth" ... Ingraham is a slut (actually, to be accurate, he should have called her "a stupid slut. "

But, if what Ed said about Laura offends and galls you so much (which I doubt), then I guess you must be also offended over the all the scandalous names that your buddies on the radical right call the President, or any other democrat who happens to come into the crosshairs of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and all the other wackos.

At least Ed had the courage to offer a real apology. When do you ever get THAT from anyone on the right? And, by the way, she accepted it.


Ed Schultz is a blithering idiot, anyone who watched him, respects him or considers him a journalist instead of a partisan caricature pretty much reveals themselves for what they are. And this was before his comments, Ive always known Sgt. Schultz was a big windbag.

And Wingo, you can't claim the moral high road as a liberal and condone these kind of comments. It exposes the fallacy of your politics, your morals and the modus operandi of how liberals operate.

Oh and cue the video at 3:08 theres some pwnage. Ed Schultz, Wingo's hero.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOCa61l2zw[/youtube]


You call that "pawnage"? LOL. Yeah, Ed really got it "wrong" in Wisconsin as evidenced by the democratic win in District 26 in NY. We'll see who has credibility come 2012 when Obama wins re-election IN A LANDSLIDE and the dems keep the Senate while taking back the House, sans the blue dogs.

Ed has more credibility in his little pinky than the entire Fixed News staff + Rush et al.

Your funny, mugzi. So your point is that only republicans can call people names and call for their assassinations, but if a liberal calls a conservative "a slut" it's hypocrisy because liberals are moral and republicans are not? I'm sorry to disappoint you so much.

Yes, it was wrong and uncalled for and Ed knows it. He apologized and got suspended for a week. What more do you want? You want me to feel bad for poor Laura? Well, I don't.
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Post#950 » by mugzi » Mon May 30, 2011 4:59 am

I call that a petulant little man child who started feeling the heat and instead of defending his position walked off the show like a loser because thats what he is. And do you need me to post his ratings to show you how irrelevant he is on the scene? Heres a hint, its less than a million people, you being one of them obviously.

And as far as morality, you obviously cant detect sarcasm because liberals politics are complicit with amorality. Abortion, crying racism, gender, or any other type of discrimination, etc, advocating social welfare instead of personal responsibility, YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO MORALS.

Yet you act as if you're the arbiters of moral turpitude when in reality its just an elitist mentality that is largely perpetuated through dividing people against each other.

And if you havent realized you've bet on a losing horse here why dont you take the time to show us how brilliant this man is, lets here about books hes written, published and have become best sellers?

Oh and not to mention this windbag you so respect, had political views that were CONSERVATIVE in his early years {wikipedia- is that a legitimate source to quote?-LMAO}

Yup.

That's what I thought.

Now try to find something else to be wrong about bud.
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Post#951 » by duetta » Mon May 30, 2011 10:58 am

mugzi wrote:And as far as morality, you obviously cant detect sarcasm because liberals politics are complicit with amorality. Abortion, crying racism, gender, or any other type of discrimination, etc, advocating social welfare instead of personal responsibility, YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO MORALS.


Mugzi, is Ingraham cheating on her current husband, the way she cheated on her last husband?
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Post#952 » by ewingxmanstarks » Mon May 30, 2011 1:13 pm

duetta wrote:
mugzi wrote:And as far as morality, you obviously cant detect sarcasm because liberals politics are complicit with amorality. Abortion, crying racism, gender, or any other type of discrimination, etc, advocating social welfare instead of personal responsibility, YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO MORALS.


Mugzi, is Ingraham cheating on her current husband, the way she cheated on her last husband?


That's simply false
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Post#953 » by ewingxmanstarks » Mon May 30, 2011 1:17 pm

Oh and not to mention this windbag you so respect, had political views that were CONSERVATIVE in his early years {wikipedia- is that a legitimate source to quote?-LMAO}

He's the perfect example of someone who doesn't believe in the justice he preaches....Being a Lib is a better
business model...he's not even a good actor.
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Post#954 » by duetta » Mon May 30, 2011 2:33 pm

ewingxmanstarks wrote:That's simply false


As it turns out, having done some checking on this, the story that I heard about her was wrong. I stand corrected.
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Post#955 » by Pharmcat » Mon May 30, 2011 3:36 pm

ed schultz was a R and switched to D, as explained on wikipedia

Change of political views

In the late 1990s, Schultz claims a series of events changed his political views from the far right to the far left. One event was his mother's battle with Alzheimer's Disease which began a long, slow decline of her mental health. Schultz found it frustrating trying to get her the services that she needed. Another was that he met a psychiatric nurse named Wendy who ran a homeless shelter in Fargo.[16] He attributed much of his political change to her, and although he had criticized the homeless on his show, he said in his book that she helped to humanize them. To his surprise, he found that some of the people he had insulted were veterans, and many were unable to get the psychiatric or medical services that might help them. He says that was the moment he began to look at poverty differently.[17]

He became a Democrat in 2000 marking the formal turn in his politics from conservative to far left. He went out to do radio promotions in rural North Dakota, and told reporters about how he met farmers who were suffering and hard-working people who were going hungry, even though Republicans said the economy was doing fine. (Vowell 2004) He began to hold benefits to raise money for people in the heartland who were going through tough times.[18] In addition, he began questioning some of the assertions of George W. Bush; although he supported several Republican candidates in the 2000 election, he was becoming critical of other Republicans. Schultz considered running for the Democratic-NPL party nomination for governor against incumbent Republican John Hoeven in 2004, but decided to continue his career in radio.


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Post#956 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 4:54 pm

ewingxmanstarks wrote:Oh and not to mention this windbag you so respect, had political views that were CONSERVATIVE in his early years {wikipedia- is that a legitimate source to quote?-LMAO}

He's the perfect example of someone who doesn't believe in the justice he preaches....Being a Lib is a better
business model...he's not even a good actor.


Being a liberal is a "better business model"? Please explain.

Do you put your foot in your mouth like this all the time, even in your life outside of this forum? You'd make a lousy lawyer.

Apparently, being "liberal" a better "business model" for doctors too. lol.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/healt ... ml?_r=1&hp

As Physicians’ Jobs Change, So Do Their Politics
By GARDINER HARRIS
Published: May 30, 2011

AUGUSTA, Me. — With Republicans in complete control of Maine’s state government for the first time since 1962, State Senator Lois A. Snowe-Mello offered a bill in February to limit doctors’ liability that she was sure the powerful doctors’ lobby would cheer. Instead, it asked her to shelve the measure.

“It was like a slap in the face,” said Ms. Snowe-Mello, who describes herself as a conservative Republican. “The doctors in this state are increasingly going left.”

Doctors were once overwhelmingly male and usually owned their own practices. They generally favored lower taxes and regularly fought lawyers to restrict patient lawsuits. Ronald Reagan came to national political prominence in part by railing against “socialized medicine” on doctors’ behalf.

But doctors are changing. They are abandoning their own practices and taking salaried jobs in hospitals, particularly in the North, but increasingly in the South as well. Half of all younger doctors are women, and that share is likely to grow.

There are no national surveys that track doctors’ political leanings, but as more doctors move from business owner to shift worker, their historic alliance with the Republican Party is weakening from Maine as well as South Dakota, Arizona and Oregon, according to doctors’ advocates in those and other states.

That change could have a profound effect on the nation’s health care debate. Indeed, after opposing almost every major health overhaul proposal for nearly a century, the American Medical Association supported President Obama’s legislation last year because the new law would provide health insurance to the vast majority of the nation’s uninsured, improve competition and choice in insurance, and promote prevention and wellness, the group said.

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Post#957 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 5:00 pm

Pharmcat wrote:ed schultz was a R and switched to D, as explained on wikipedia

Change of political views

In the late 1990s, Schultz claims a series of events changed his political views from the far right to the far left. One event was his mother's battle with Alzheimer's Disease which began a long, slow decline of her mental health. Schultz found it frustrating trying to get her the services that she needed. Another was that he met a psychiatric nurse named Wendy who ran a homeless shelter in Fargo.[16] He attributed much of his political change to her, and although he had criticized the homeless on his show, he said in his book that she helped to humanize them. To his surprise, he found that some of the people he had insulted were veterans, and many were unable to get the psychiatric or medical services that might help them. He says that was the moment he began to look at poverty differently.[17]

He became a Democrat in 2000 marking the formal turn in his politics from conservative to far left. He went out to do radio promotions in rural North Dakota, and told reporters about how he met farmers who were suffering and hard-working people who were going hungry, even though Republicans said the economy was doing fine. (Vowell 2004) He began to hold benefits to raise money for people in the heartland who were going through tough times.[18] In addition, he began questioning some of the assertions of George W. Bush; although he supported several Republican candidates in the 2000 election, he was becoming critical of other Republicans. Schultz considered running for the Democratic-NPL party nomination for governor against incumbent Republican John Hoeven in 2004, but decided to continue his career in radio.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schultz


He also personally holds some conservative viewpoints.

Schultz has declared himself a "lefty" and is pro-union and centers a large portion of his radio show on the "plight of working class Americans." Schultz has stated that he and his sons are gun-owners, although he supports reasonable gun control. Schultz is also personally against same-sex marriage but believes it should be legal. Regarding his position on abortion, Schultz is quoted as stating: "Now, as far as abortion is concerned, in my heart I'm a Christian. I'm against it. But we're livin' in a country where the majority rule and I'm not, as a talk show host, overturning Roe v Wade." Schultz is pro-choice.


He's also "a dove with claws" who doesn't take crap from idiots.

In 1988, Schultz was involved in the "Whiskey Bottle Incident", which he describes as one of his most "ignominious moments":

... I was doing radio play-by-play for North Dakota State University in Fargo. The Bison were playing Northern Michigan. There was something in the air that September day. There was lots of drinking and rowdy behavior in the stands. By the fourth quarter, the crowd in front of the broadcast booth was getting ugly. Suddenly, a whiskey bottle came hurtling through the glass and struck my co-announcer, Gary Barta, in the belly. Glass rained down on us — all over me. It could have taken out my eye, and the close call enraged me. We were live on the air, but to this day I don't know exactly what I said [...] All I know is that I threw down my headphones and waded into the crowd looking for the person who threw the bottle. I almost got in a fight [...] My bad behavior made it onto Paul Harvey, and it got me suspended. It's a day I'd like to forget. But the truth of the matter is, my actions were fairly typical for someone out here in the heartland. We settle things face to face — and nobody wants to take any crap from anyone.
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Post#958 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 5:01 pm

duetta wrote:
ewingxmanstarks wrote:That's simply false


As it turns out, having done some checking on this, the story that I heard about her was wrong. I stand corrected.



But does that mean that she's not a slut?
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Post#959 » by rsavaj » Mon May 30, 2011 5:04 pm

I hope Palin runs. It would make for some amazing television.

I was upset when Trump bowed out :/
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Post#960 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 30, 2011 5:08 pm

rsavaj wrote:I hope Palin runs. It would make for some amazing television.

I was upset when Trump bowed out :/



Trump seems to be changing his mind recently and is talking about getting back in (tv rating must be going down).

But I would love for both of them to run. The debates would be jaw dropping. Hopefully, by then, Sarah will have figured how to answer questions like "What newspapers do you read?"

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