[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

Post #961 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:03 pm

Melo wants to win, not start over in the lottery on the Nyets. He wants to leave Denver but I'd bet anything he prefers to stay than go to the Nets.

What people might be missing is that the Nets are not only there to provide some competition to the Knicks, but they're also there to try to push Melo to sign in Denver. Because Denver probably wants to go to Melo once more and say, "The Nets are the only one offering a fair deal for you. So we're at a standstill. A compromise is for you to stay here in Denver."

Denver is going to require Melo to *demand* the Knicks. They are not going to oblige without insistence.

Jitpal · Post #962 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:14 pm

Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean? Is he admitting to wasting everyone's time up until now? Does he now realize that Melo will only go to the Knicks and he wants Donnie to send him a formal offer again? -Jitpal

god shammgod · Post #963 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:28 pm

Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean?

what's that prokhorov, you'll work it out to make melo prime minister of kosovo if he agrees to an extension. sorry, he's still not interested.

Post #964 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:35 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean?

what's that prokhorov, you'll work it out to make melo prime minister of kosovo if he agrees to an extension. sorry, he's still not interested.

lol

MKCATL · Post #965 » by **MKCATL** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:36 pm

Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean? Is he admitting to wasting everyone's time up until now? Does he now realize that Melo will only go to the Knicks and he wants Donnie to send him a formal offer again? -Jitpal

Sounds to me, Ujiri is telling Donnie to make his best end all offer, Seems like Ujiri is ready to part ways and Melo will be on the move real soon

Jitpal · Post #966 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 pm

MKCATL wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean? Is he admitting to wasting everyone's time up until now? Does he now realize that Melo will only go to the Knicks and he wants Donnie to send him a formal offer again? -Jitpal

Sounds to me, Ujiri is telling Donnie to make his best end all offer, Seems like Ujiri is ready to part ways and Melo will be on the move real soon

Yeah I hope so, Melo is holding two franchises hostage right now (Nets don't count). I hope this is resolved by New Years. -Jitpal

god shammgod · Post #967 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:43 pm

MKCATL wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean? Is he admitting to wasting everyone's time up until now? Does he now realize that Melo will only go to the Knicks and he wants Donnie to send him a formal offer again? -Jitpal

Sounds to me, Ujiri is telling Donnie to make his best end all offer, Seems like Ujiri is ready to part ways and Melo will be on the move real soon

i do think they're finally convinced that there's no way melo stays but they're in no position to tell walsh to make his best offer now. what if he doesn't ? where can they trade him if he won't extend there.

seren · Post #968 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:44 pm

What we need to do is to find third team partners to save them money. They are 13 million dollars over the tax, ie they pay another 13 million in taxes. They won't settle with rebuilding this season if it costs them too much dough.

CHARLYMURPHY · Post #969 » by **CHARLYMURPHY** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:47 pm

If Carmelo has said to Uriji that he will only sign an extension with the Knicks why is he still trying to shop him around?

Walsh would be stupid to fall for the "baiting" trick, if the Nets have had the best offer on the table and the Nuggets would have accepted it apparently.. how come it hasent gotten done?.. Oh yea thats right because he dosent want to play for any other team but the Knicks.

Stop playing hardball Uriji, we know you will end up talking to us in the end and the longer it is towards the deadline the more leverage the knicks will have.. at this point the only thing i would give them is either gallo, or chandler, or fields... not more then 1 of those players.. and that will be a steal for the knicks even though were departing with a good homegrown player..

Jitpal · Post #970 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:50 pm

god shammgod wrote:
MKCATL wrote:
Jitpal wrote:Apparently Ujiri is now "listening aggressively"

What the hell does that even mean? Is he admitting to wasting everyone's time up until now? Does he now realize that Melo will only go to the Knicks and he wants Donnie to send him a formal offer again? -Jitpal

Sounds to me, Ujiri is telling Donnie to make his best end all offer, Seems like Ujiri is ready to part ways and Melo will be on the move real soon

i do think they're finally convinced that there's no way melo stays but they're in no position to tell walsh to make his best offer now. what if he doesn't ? where can they trade him if he won't extend there.

The only move is for the Nuggets to hold on to him and hope that Donnie gets desperate if the Knicks start losing. Possibly even try to float the idea that Melo is getting annoyed that the Knicks don't value him enough to put together a strong deal. What else can he do? Threaten to hold on to him and have the Knicks sign him during the summer? -Jitpal

seren · Post #971 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:52 pm

CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If Carmelo has said to Uriji that he will only sign an extension with the Knicks why is he still trying to shop him around?

Walsh would be stupid to fall for the "baiting" trick, if the Nets have had the best offer on the table and the Nuggets would have accepted it apparently.. how come it hasent gotten done?.. Oh yea thats right because he dosent want to play for any other team but the Knicks.

Stop playing hardball Uriji, we know you will end up talking to us in the end and the longer it is towards the deadline the more leverage the knicks will have.. at this point the only thing i would give them is either gallo, or chandler, or fields... not more then 1 of those players.. and that will be a steal for the knicks even though were departing with a good homegrown player..

I maintain my position about this. If they don't like our players, you can't force these guys unto them. Sheridan just mentioned today that they are not high on Gallo. Chandler is an RFA, so he is not really an asset for them. Fields is good, but I am not sure he will get a deal done by himself.

I think Denver is waiting for someone to admit their priority would be to save serious cash in a deal, not necessarily getting some promising players. They won't admit it themselves. Donnie has to come up with some creativity.

CHARLYMURPHY · Post #972 » by **CHARLYMURPHY** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:57 pm

seren wrote:
CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If Carmelo has said to Uriji that he will only sign an extension with the Knicks why is he still trying to shop him around?

Walsh would be stupid to fall for the "baiting" trick, if the Nets have had the best offer on the table and the Nuggets would have accepted it apparently.. how come it hasent gotten done?.. Oh yea thats right because he dosent want to play for any other team but the Knicks.

Stop playing hardball Uriji, we know you will end up talking to us in the end and the longer it is towards the deadline the more leverage the knicks will have.. at this point the only thing i would give them is either gallo, or chandler, or fields... not more then 1 of those players.. and that will be a steal for the knicks even though were departing with a good homegrown player..

I maintain my position about this. If they don't like our players, you can't force these guys unto them. Sheridan just mentioned today that they are not high on Gallo. Chandler is an RFA, so he is not really an asset for them. Fields is good, but I am not sure he will get a deal done by himself.

I think Denver is waiting for someone to admit their priority would be to save serious cash in a deal, not necessarily getting some promising players. They won't admit it themselves. Donnie has to come up with some creativity.

They have to like our players.. because thats the only team Carmelo will agree to an extension too and it just feels like their trying to get more teams interested so the Knicks will panic and up the ante.

IMO i think the best trade to do with them would be Fields, 1st round pick, etc.... that would be able for us to keep Chandler, and Gallo.. Then we could get a MLE Center..

Then their bench would be alot better.. Only thing that they would need if they give up Fields is a SG.. Chandler is a terrible SG IMO

seren · Post #973 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:08 pm

CHARLYMURPHY wrote:
seren wrote:I maintain my position about this. If they don't like our players, you can't force these guys unto them. Sheridan just mentioned today that they are not high on Gallo. Chandler is an RFA, so he is not really an asset for them. Fields is good, but I am not sure he will get a deal done by himself.

I think Denver is waiting for someone to admit their priority would be to save serious cash in a deal, not necessarily getting some promising players. They won't admit it themselves. Donnie has to come up with some creativity.

They have to like our players.. because thats the only team Carmelo will agree to an extension too and it just feels like their trying to get more teams interested so the Knicks will panic and up the ante.

IMO i think the best trade to do with them would be Fields, 1st round pick, etc.... that would be able for us to keep Chandler, and Gallo.. Then we could get a MLE Center..

Then their bench would be alot better.. Only thing that they would need if they give up Fields is a SG.. Chandler is a terrible SG IMO

I am not sure I get what you are saying. Why would they have to like our players?

CHARLYMURPHY · Post #974 » by **CHARLYMURPHY** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:10 pm

seren wrote:
CHARLYMURPHY wrote:
seren wrote:I maintain my position about this. If they don't like our players, you can't force these guys unto them. Sheridan just mentioned today that they are not high on Gallo. Chandler is an RFA, so he is not really an asset for them. Fields is good, but I am not sure he will get a deal done by himself.

I think Denver is waiting for someone to admit their priority would be to save serious cash in a deal, not necessarily getting some promising players. They won't admit it themselves. Donnie has to come up with some creativity.

They have to like our players.. because thats the only team Carmelo will agree to an extension too and it just feels like their trying to get more teams interested so the Knicks will panic and up the ante.

IMO i think the best trade to do with them would be Fields, 1st round pick, etc.... that would be able for us to keep Chandler, and Gallo.. Then we could get a MLE Center..

Then their bench would be alot better.. Only thing that they would need if they give up Fields is a SG.. Chandler is a terrible SG IMO

I am not sure I get what you are saying. Why would they have to like our players?

If were the only team that Carmelo wants to be traded too, the Nuggets have no choice other then to trade for 1 of our players.. If they dont like them, thats just to bad.

seren · Post #975 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:15 pm

CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If were the only team that Carmelo wants to be traded too, the Nuggets have no choice other then to trade for 1 of our players.. If they dont like them, thats just to bad.

Sorry, but this simply is not true. Their other option is to let Melo free next summer. Getting nothing in return is actually better than getting something that you are not really interested in. Plus they get their playoff run this year. In minimum, they need to see our players as better than nothing plus a playoff run.

Post #976 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:16 pm

seren wrote:
CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If were the only team that Carmelo wants to be traded too, the Nuggets have no choice other then to trade for 1 of our players.. If they dont like them, thats just to bad.

Sorry, but this simply is not true. Their other option is to let Melo free next summer. Getting nothing in return is actually better than getting something that you are not really interested in. Plus they get their playoff run this year. In minimum, they need to see our players as better than nothing plus a playoff run.

I think it is true. You can at least turn Gallo into one pick. Are you saying that it's better to get nothing than a pick?

seren · Post #977 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:26 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
seren wrote:
CHARLYMURPHY wrote:If were the only team that Carmelo wants to be traded too, the Nuggets have no choice other then to trade for 1 of our players.. If they dont like them, thats just to bad.

Sorry, but this simply is not true. Their other option is to let Melo free next summer. Getting nothing in return is actually better than getting something that you are not really interested in. Plus they get their playoff run this year. In minimum, they need to see our players as better than nothing plus a playoff run.

I think it is true. You can at least turn Gallo into one pick. Are you saying that it's better to get nothing than a pick?

That would be Walsh's job in a trade proposal. That is what I have been saying. You don't just offer a trade with some players saying if you don't like these guys, you can at least turn them into assets. You go with a proposal with those assets.

Post #978 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:40 pm

seren wrote:
That would be Walsh's job in a trade proposal. That is what I have been saying. You don't just offer a trade with some players saying if you don't like these guys, you can at least turn them into assets. You go with a proposal with those assets.

Walsh's comments indicate that he's likely already lined up a trade for a 1st. He wouldn't say what he did unless this one is in the bag. So it's a moot point.

seren · Post #979 » by **seren** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:49 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
seren wrote:
That would be Walsh's job in a trade proposal. That is what I have been saying. You don't just offer a trade with some players saying if you don't like these guys, you can at least turn them into assets. You go with a proposal with those assets.

Walsh's comments indicate that he's likely already lined up a trade for a 1st. He wouldn't say what he did unless this one is in the bag. So it's a moot point.

I am thinking he meant the AR trade. What I am saying is a little more than that. If you read my previous post, I suggest that Denver is probably looking for some serious cash savings given they are 13 million over the tax threshold. So there has to some three team trades that somehow sends some of our bad contracts to third teams while giving Denver relief. I think that is how it will get done.

FieldsMedal · Post #980 » by **FieldsMedal** » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:53 pm

Here is an interesting mental conundrum.

If 6 months ago someone told you Walsh could get "Melo for essentially one of Chandler/Gallinari, the 36th pick in the 2010 draft and a future 1st, you'd hail him as a genius.

If on draft night someone told you Walsh could get "Melo for essentially one of Chandler/Gallinari, Landry Fields and and a future 1st, you'd hail him as a genius.

If on the same night someone told you the 36th pick in the draft would be the BEST rookie in the entire 2010 draft class for the seasons first 2 months, you'd hail Donnie Walsh as a genius.

Now if Walsh has to include Landry Fields along with one of Chandler/Gallinari and a future 1st to get 'Melo, he'd be an idiot.

Apparently Walsh is SO smart, it makes him an idiot.

Makes my head hurt thinking about it.