Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[gmoney411]

Never thought I'd see the day where luxury tax implications kept us from retaining a young player with at least some upside. It sucks to see this franchise let monetary concerns or personal grudges prevent them from retaining Lin who can either be a decent starter or trade piece in the future.

I don't like the precedent this sets if we let Lin go.

Again, this has nothing to do with money and everything to do with Woodson not believing in Lin.

Anybody that thinks it has nothing to do with the luxury tax is crazy. Yes Dolan use to pay tons in tax in the past but that was under the old dollar for dollar tax rule. With the new rule Dolan will be paying more in tax for Lin alone than he did for entire teams in the past.

[DocZaius]

Ask yourselves this to put it into perspective. If you had a basketball team and your budget was strictly 100 million over a 3 year period would you commit 43 million of that to Jeremy Lin after 1/3 of a season? Especially coming off an injury and having the contract change like this? It's easy to spend someones money when it isn't yours. But if you look at things logically you're buying quite an expensive lottery ticket. He can either be serviceable or he can be a really hard contract to move.

I guess only Lin's contract counts against the luxury tax threshold right? Nevermind the 3 guys combining for almost 60mil/yr by themselves and still can't contend.

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

[kmav23]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

no wonder Lin wants out

players should not be saying negative things on team mates contracts...

[GetItDone]

... Think about it -- someone is only not worthy of the money they're getting if they're not that good.

If they believed in Lin -- and trust is key to handing your team over to him -- then they wouldn't criticize his contract.

His teammates must believe in him. Instead they're bashing him. It's a sign that we once again have a cancerous roster. It's just sad folks.

Is there any other reason why we haven't matched yet or that all reports/quotes sound like we won't?

Because Melo and friends do not want Lin on this team any more. Simple as that.

[Nono]

Man don't these fellow teammates have any sense ? Why talk nonsense about your own teammate's contract to the media ? What benefit does it give ? Smh

[Marty McFly]

... Think about it -- someone is only not worthy of the money they're getting if they're not that good.

If they believed in Lin -- and trust is key to handing your team over to him -- then they wouldn't criticize his contract.

His teammates must believe in him. Instead they're bashing him. It's a sign that we once again have a cancerous roster. It's just sad folks.

which is rich coming from the likes of our team.

[stevieg987]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

It's becoming clear: our FO, coaching staff, and, it appears team, don't rate Lin very highly.

[Thugger HBC]

Ask yourselves this to put it into perspective. If you had a basketball team and your budget was strictly 100 million over a 3 year period would you commit 43 million of that to Jeremy Lin after 1/3 of a season? Especially coming off an injury and having the contract change like this? It's easy to spend someones money when it isn't yours. But if you look at things logically you're buying quite an expensive lottery ticket. He can either be serviceable or he can be a really hard contract to move.

As I understand, the Knicks have put themselves into worse financial situations in the past. if they are going to go all out, striving for a championship over the next 3 years why go through 95% then pull back on what could be the that last piece of the puzzle? It doesn't make sense to me, I think it came down to mostly egos being hurt during negotiations as well as some last minute resistance from the coach and other players of significance due to jealousy.

Dollar for dollar isn't an issue.....

$2.75 per dollar might be a big issue.....

[K_ick_God]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

you have to admit this is so like the Knicks though

its part of the franchise's schtick

dumbasses left and right

I think it's a little more bad luck than you think it is -- I guess that's where we differ. But you can't discount that the Knicks may hire guys who don't get it and so they look past the key intangibles. I don't know. I'm on the fence there.

But if we lose Lin, it's a death knell. I honestly don't know how anybody could continue to have hope. I don't say that to be nasty or whatever -- I feel bad for Knicks fans. I don't care about making my point here to people's chagrin. I'm never about that. Knick fans have suffered enough.

But letting Lin go and turning your team over to JR, Melo and Felton -- complete joke. It's ruinous. Diastrous. The end.

[CoolKids]

... Think about it -- someone is only not worthy of the money they're getting if they're not that good.

If they believed in Lin -- and trust is key to handing your team over to him -- then they wouldn't criticize his contract.

His teammates must believe in him. Instead they're bashing him. It's a sign that we once again have a cancerous roster. It's just sad folks.

you think thats a fair contract for Lin?

[PainKiller]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

WTF, who the hell are they to say who deserves what. clowns

[Jstarks3]

Ask yourselves this to put it into perspective. If you had a basketball team and your budget was strictly 100 million over a 3 year period would you commit 43 million of that to Jeremy Lin after 1/3 of a season? Especially coming off an injury and having the contract change like this? It's easy to spend someones money when it isn't yours. But if you look at things logically you're buying quite an expensive lottery ticket. He can either be serviceable or he can be a really hard contract to move.

I guess only Lin's contract counts against the luxury tax threshold right? Nevermind the 3 guys combining for almost 60mil/yr by themselves and still can't contend.

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

youre comparing apples and oranges.

[Stannis]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

Again. Avoiding the question. His contract is 25 million but the true cost will be closer to 43 million. Do you spend 43 million dollars on Lin if you have a 100 million dollar budget over three years? Yes or no?

No

But the good thing is Dolan's budget is not 100 million.

[bigfnjoe96]

There's so much spin going on in this thread my head is starting to hurt

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[Grinditout]

BigE, please tell me where you got this 100 million dollar budget from. I'm sure you know they've spent over that amount many times before on horrible Knicks teams?

[E86]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

And I'm pretty sure the Knicks organization has spent over 100 million on worse rosters before *see Isiah years*

I'm not asking about the Knicks. It's easy to spend Dolan's money.

This hypothetical team is your own. You have no one on the roster. Blank slate. You have 100 million dollars to spend over 3 years. You have an option to sign Lin for a contract that will cost you 43 million. Do you do it?

[blumatic]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

But in 2015 the tax will be very punishing. Lin will cost the Knicks 40 million in 2015 because of the tax.

Disclosure: I want Lin to stay but I understand the hesitation.

[kmav23]

Man don't these fellow teammates have any sense ? Why talk nonsense about your own teammate's contract to the media ? What benefit does it give ? Smh

thats a no no.... the knicks gonna be fighting with each other....

Stoudamire on 20 million plays no defence

[DocZaius]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

It's becoming clear: our FO, coaching staff, and, it appears team, don't rate Lin very highly.

So far its the same 4 bastards that I wanted off my team all along

JR, Melo, Isiah, and Woodson

I could sniff it from a mile away

[ORANGEandBLUE]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

Again. Avoiding the question. His contract is 25 million but the true cost will be closer to 43 million. Do you spend 43 million dollars on Lin if you have a 100 million dollar budget over three years? Yes or no?

Please... Lin's contract isn't contributing to that $43 m tax bill any more than anybody else's.