Around the NBA part 3

[Capn'O]

Andrew Bogut said to be starting tonight?

Source? That would be glorious for me. My team needs blocks.

He's playing. Idk what his limits are.

Yahoo is trying to bamboozle me. No exploding memo or anything...

[j4remi]

PTI: the question is if the Lakers have turned a corner...Wilbon says yes, Tony says Kobe's not going to average 14 apg...Wilbon's response "Ten???" and he leaned back as if that's a reasonable demand.

...Just wanted to report that because I think that's absolutely ridiculous and just dumb. Also Berman is reporting that White has been practicing dunks and still dunks it from the FT line with ease. Allstar break dunk contest likely?

[Thugger HBC]

PTI: the question is if the Lakers have turned a corner...Wilbon says yes, Tony says Kobe's not going to average 14 apg...Wilbon's response "Ten???" and he leaned back as if that's a reasonable demand.

...Just wanted to report that because I think that's absolutely ridiculous and just dumb. Also Berman is reporting that White has been practicing dunks and still dunks it from the FT line with ease. Allstar break dunk contest likely?

I still think they'll make it in, i dont have that much confidence in the current 7th and 8th seeds holding their leads.


This was the dunk Berman is referring to....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOTC8dsL74g[/youtube]

[j4remi]

PTI: the question is if the Lakers have turned a corner...Wilbon says yes, Tony says Kobe's not going to average 14 apg...Wilbon's response "Ten???" and he leaned back as if that's a reasonable demand.

...Just wanted to report that because I think that's absolutely ridiculous and just dumb. Also Berman is reporting that White has been practicing dunks and still dunks it from the FT line with ease. Allstar break dunk contest likely?

I still think they'll make it in, i dont have that much confidence in the current 7th and 8th seeds holding their leads.


This was the dunk Berman is referring to....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOTC8dsL74g[/youtube]

A lot of casual fans are gonna be shocked if White can still fly like he used to. Idk if at his age he can do the between the legs or the windmill from the FT line...but if he can

I think the Lakers have an outside shot at a low seed, but think it's ridiculous for Wilbon to imply that Kobe can just transform into a 10 assist man while scoring..Kobe putting up Nash numbers? Nah.

[Quick Kick]

PTI: the question is if the Lakers have turned a corner...Wilbon says yes, Tony says Kobe's not going to average 14 apg...Wilbon's response "Ten???" and he leaned back as if that's a reasonable demand.

...Just wanted to report that because I think that's absolutely ridiculous and just dumb. Also Berman is reporting that White has been practicing dunks and still dunks it from the FT line with ease. Allstar break dunk contest likely?

Wilbon is a disgusting rotund pig. His opinion is tantamount to giraffe droppings. Easily my most despised "journalist" in the galaxy. Giving his lard encrusted larynx an excuse to have a use is Gods greatest failure.

[Thugger HBC]

I can't see Kobe doing 10 dimes the rest of the way, but he definitely has pieces to do so.

Nash as SG on offense might be better than Kobe.

[rockmanslim]

In NBA history, have there been starting point guards whose weaknesses were their handle, ball security, and jumpshooting? If so, who?

It just sounds...weird, like a QB with no arm, or a WR with bad hands, or a RB with no vision.

[Fat Kat]

In NBA history, have there been starting point guards whose weaknesses were their handle, ball security, and jumpshooting? If so, who?

It just sounds...weird, like a QB with no arm, or a WR with bad hands, or a RB with no vision.

Magic Johnson?

[Knicks_Fan2]

Philly now murdering Memphis...wtf

[Never Wrong]

Conley for MVP

[KingzAndQueenz]

let's go magic, beat the nets.

come to think of it, the nets are our only opponent really in taking the atlantic title

[AllanHoustonFan]

People question our defense, but the Nets are pretty bad too

[AllanHoustonFan]

The Magic are who we thought they were

[fdr2012]

No. The terms of the bet are that each of the three numbers increase AT ALL. It is in writing. If Lin ends up with 12.4 ppg, 6.4 apg, and 43.9% FG% I win. If any of the 3 are below that, you win.

Second - where is this NEVER improving coming from? What universe? Most starting caliber PGs do have increased production over their first few years in the league. Goran Dragic - who this forum roundly accepts as a far superior player- didn't break 10ppg for four or so years. Did he NEVER improve? Did Nash NEVER improve after his first few years?

You are making a basketball call here and trying to back it up with stats.

I can lookup your post where you said 14/7 (or something similar), right after the bet. You can't deny something that's in writing.

As for Dragic - he didn't improve as much as you think he did - he simply got PT to show his skills. The reality is that most players do not improve much during their time in the league, and that includes PGs. There's a small minority that does improve, those are often the Birds, Magics and Jordans of the world. Nash has an insane work ethic. Those things are not common. I sincerely doubt Jeremy Lin fits into that category. In fact, I'm almost certain he doesn't and the fact that he's showing ZERO improvement from last season (if not regression) shows it.

Want to make another sig bet on next season?

[ibraheim718]

Re: Around the NBA part 2


Capn'O wrote:
As a side note, I'll take a sig bet with any of the 12/6 guys (who used to be 10-5-35% guys):

If each of Lin's ppg, ast/game, and FG% is higher than it is now by season's end I get to make your sig.

If ONE of them is lower you get to make mine.

Current:

12.3 ppg
6.3 apg
43.8 FG%


Any takers?

by fdr2012 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:09 pm
Yes. I'll take that bet. Naive logic says you have a 1/8 chance of winning.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1220866&start=960

[Capn'O]

No. The terms of the bet are that each of the three numbers increase AT ALL. It is in writing. If Lin ends up with 12.4 ppg, 6.4 apg, and 43.9% FG% I win. If any of the 3 are below that, you win.

Second - where is this NEVER improving coming from? What universe? Most starting caliber PGs do have increased production over their first few years in the league. Goran Dragic - who this forum roundly accepts as a far superior player- didn't break 10ppg for four or so years. Did he NEVER improve? Did Nash NEVER improve after his first few years?

You are making a basketball call here and trying to back it up with stats.

I can lookup your post where you said 14/7 (or something similar), right after the bet. You can't deny something that's in writing.

You mean where you accused me of calling him a HOF guard and I said 14/6.5/(and I'll add 44% for **** and giggles) won't get you into the HOF but it will win the bet?

That's not a prediction and it's most certainly not what I bet on. It was an off the cuff one liner in response to your off the cuff one liner and based on his season averages from the previous season.

And remember, stats don't lie

As for Dragic - he didn't improve as much as you think he did - he simply got PT to show his skills. The reality is that most players do not improve much during their time in the league, and that includes PGs. There's a small minority that does improve, those are often the Birds, Magics and Jordans of the world. Nash has an insane work ethic. Those things are not common. I sincerely doubt Jeremy Lin fits into that category. In fact, I'm almost certain he doesn't and the fact that he's showing ZERO improvement from last season (if not regression) shows it.

Ah, ye olde per-36 argument. "Why don't they play Scrub player X 36 minutes a game? His per-36 numbers are STUMAZING!" Well, you then put that player in for 36 minutes for a few games and figure out why. They can't do it at that level for the full game for a sustained period of time.

From an understanding of the game, skills development, the mental game, and simply getting adjusted to the long haul of an NBA season - a lot happens within the first three years. It's why a lot of rooks don't get that PT.

To continue with Dragic - if you look at his points and assists per 36 over his first few years... ok... his scoring hover at about the same rate. His assists take a nice bump up recently. But look at his turnover rate and TOs/36. These have come down a fair amount even has his actual time on the court increases. Likewise, you see all inclusive stats like PER rising as he gains more experience. Overall, he's just a better PG.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dragigo01.html

TBH, I expressed this exact concern about Houston paying Lin as much as they did. Didn't like the fit there. Pre-Harden, he had way more of a role than he could handle. I still think he does but will grow into that role more as the season progresses. You think he will maintain or regress.

[fdr2012]

Not at all a bad bet.

You are hedging that his poor early season showing is statistically relevant and I'm saying that's a load of crap. His current trend - being better integrated and more comfortable with the offense - is a better sample. Early season was an outlier. 14+ ppg on 45% is what we can reasonably expect from him going forward. That's a damn good bet. There is nothing to suggest his current production is a fluke and that 14 on 45% will pull up both averages.

The only one of the three stats where he has been fairly constant since November is assists. I'm a little bit nervous those might drop to 6.1 or 6.2. That would be so sad for me. Such remarkable regression

We're 50-50 at best for you.

Here it is - you expected 14+ ppg from him AFTER the bet.

P.S. why is "Ibraheim78" responding as Capn'O?

[Capn'O]

Not at all a bad bet.

You are hedging that his poor early season showing is statistically relevant and I'm saying that's a load of crap. His current trend - being better integrated and more comfortable with the offense - is a better sample. Early season was an outlier. 14+ ppg on 45% is what we can reasonably expect from him going forward. That's a damn good bet. There is nothing to suggest his current production is a fluke and that 14 on 45% will pull up both averages.

The only one of the three stats where he has been fairly constant since November is assists. I'm a little bit nervous those might drop to 6.1 or 6.2. That would be so sad for me. Such remarkable regression

We're 50-50 at best for you.

Here it is - you expected 14+ ppg from him AFTER the bet.

P.S. why is "Ibraheim78" responding as Capn'O?

Because we're the same poster. I'm also 2010, Moocow, 21ShumpStreet, and Mr. Perfect.

14 ppg sounds ok. But it's not what we bet on. 7 apg, not so much.

[barborous]

In NBA history, have there been starting point guards whose weaknesses were their handle, ball security, and jumpshooting? If so, who?

It just sounds...weird, like a QB with no arm, or a WR with bad hands, or a RB with no vision.

Magic Johnson?

Damn that was cold.

[Thugger HBC]

The Magic are really awful

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