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Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#961 » by NYKMentality85 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:43 pm

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You know how it is, we just see guys differently. Which is good. Maybe one of us is right completely but more likely it's a blend, but it'll be interesting to see. I don't think Antet is nearly as good as his numbers suggest. But we'll see. His numbers and age absolutely suggest big-time star. I disagree though.


KD. I strongly disagree with your evaluation of Antetokounmpo. He's only 22 years of age and considered as one of the NBA's top 5 young talents (on everyone's list). He truly is a freak of nature being able to play the PG, 2G & SF position(s) at 6'11 in height.



He's a guy whose BBIQ I don't trust.


To each our own but how so? The kid is only 22 years of age while averaging 22.9 points per game, 9.1 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 2.1 blocks & 2.0 steals per game along with a FG% of .520%. All of this (imo) screams of a young kid with a high I.Q and without question the NBA's most improved (and still improving) player...
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#962 » by whocares1 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:43 pm

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KAT is crazy. At times he plays like a brawnier LeBron. His D needs to get better but it probably will. He doesn't seem to have standout defender potential. But if he gets that up to just good, he could be launched into space. Just really impressive. I think he's going to be better than Anthony Davis, another guy whose numbers are a little misleading to me lol.


I agree about KAT but no way do I see Davis having misleading stats. This dude sometimes looks like a 6'11" Michael Jordan, I'm not kidding. Some of his moves and the ability to score on double and triple teams is insane.


Davis is a "freak" but I'm old-fashioned, I want to see a guy win before I put the crown on his head.

Yeah he's had bad teams but still. There is one advanced stat I look at first -- it's called W's and L's.


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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#963 » by HEZI » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:14 pm

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KAT is crazy. At times he plays like a brawnier LeBron. His D needs to get better but it probably will. He doesn't seem to have standout defender potential. But if he gets that up to just good, he could be launched into space. Just really impressive. I think he's going to be better than Anthony Davis, another guy whose numbers are a little misleading to me lol.


I agree about KAT but no way do I see Davis having misleading stats. This dude sometimes looks like a 6'11" Michael Jordan, I'm not kidding. Some of his moves and the ability to score on double and triple teams is insane.


Davis is a "freak" but I'm old-fashioned, I want to see a guy win before I put the crown on his head.

Yeah he's had bad teams but still. There is one advanced stat I look at first -- it's called W's and L's.


That's not really fair though since we all know his team is just not good enough. Can you really overlook Anthony Davis in favor of Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee because of wins and losses?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#964 » by DOT » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:18 pm

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I agree about KAT but no way do I see Davis having misleading stats. This dude sometimes looks like a 6'11" Michael Jordan, I'm not kidding. Some of his moves and the ability to score on double and triple teams is insane.


Davis is a "freak" but I'm old-fashioned, I want to see a guy win before I put the crown on his head.

Yeah he's had bad teams but still. There is one advanced stat I look at first -- it's called W's and L's.


That's not really fair though since we all know his team is just not good enough. Can you really overlook Anthony Davis in favor of Zaza Pachulia and Javale McGee because of wins and losses?

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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#965 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:17 am

Jay10 wrote:Dragic isn't good. The same people wanting him for Rose will end up being the same people upset when Rose is taking him to the woodshed while in a miami heat jersey.

Dragic isn't good? What?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#966 » by Icandoallthings » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:36 am

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Agreed. I would thrown in two second rounders if I had two, but I would try to only trade one of them.

They can get a better deal than that


Sadly you're probably correct


After this season it is a 2+1 @ about 18 per not a bad pickup but I think Riley would be looking to package him and Winslow or Whiteside and Winslow for a young difference maker. We don't really have one to trade atm.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#967 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:38 am

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K-DOT wrote:They can get a better deal than that


Sadly you're probably correct


After this season it is a 2+1 @ about 18 per not a bad pickup but I think Riley would be looking to package him and Winslow or Whiteside and Winslow for a young difference maker. We don't really have one to trade atm.


Call me crazy, but I don't think Whiteside or Winslow have the value people think they have. Whiteside is a statpadding mental midget and Winslow is a good defender but one of the worst offensive players in the league.

Anyways, like others have said, it's sadly not going to happen. :-?
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#968 » by NYKMentality85 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:53 am

Rose didn't have the greatest FG% going 7/16 (.438%) but nonetheless he had a (yet another) very good game putting up 19 points, 5 rebounds & 3 assists.

Only 26 minutes of play too, which means he should be well rested with another two off nights before going up against Isaiah Thomas come Christmas day.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#969 » by Knicksfan20 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:47 am

K-DOT wrote:If Ian Mahinmi, Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner, Timofey Mozgov, and Luol Deng can all get 16-17 mil last offseason, he's gonna get offered that much from somebody (I believe the 6ers offered Manu 15 mil or something)


I'll bet you my life that Patty Mills doesn't get 16+ million dollars. Also... 16 million dollars is not the "Max" regardless...He Is not getting paid 16+ million dollars.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#970 » by Greenie » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:26 am

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Yes and it would make us a much more attractive destination to upcoming free agents. The Lebron James era will be coming to an end and the Eastern Conference will belong to Porzingis :)


and antetokoumnpo, but word. let's position ourselves for greatness ahead by making our true north winning basketball effort.


Antetokounmpo ain't winning anything except a numbers trophy.

Nah, be afraid of him KG... be very afraid.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#971 » by blueNorange » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:42 pm

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Jay10 wrote:Dragic isn't good. The same people wanting him for Rose will end up being the same people upset when Rose is taking him to the woodshed while in a miami heat jersey.

Dragic isn't good? What?

lol dragic is way better than rose

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also dragic has probably killed a man before.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#972 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:55 pm

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and antetokoumnpo, but word. let's position ourselves for greatness ahead by making our true north winning basketball effort.


Antetokounmpo ain't winning anything except a numbers trophy.

Nah, be afraid of him KG... be very afraid.


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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#973 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:07 pm

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Jay10 wrote:Dragic isn't good. The same people wanting him for Rose will end up being the same people upset when Rose is taking him to the woodshed while in a miami heat jersey.

Dragic isn't good? What?

lol dragic is way better than rose

leadership
passing
scoring

also dragic has probably killed a man before.


He's an up and down player like many decent players. Ideally he's a backup in a role like Jennings'. Doesn't see the floor as well but little steadier and slightly better jumper. More or less a wash, unless you are looking at their salaries.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#974 » by Dr. Detfink » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:22 pm

Goran "Enter the Dragon" Dragic and "Rooster" Galinari will sign with Brooklyn to join Lin and soon, Knicksgod will become NyetsGod in Knicks vs Ex-Knicks Civil War 2. :lol:
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#975 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:28 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Goran "Enter the Dragon" Dragic and "Rooster" Galinari will sign with Brooklyn to join Lin and soon, Knicksgod will become NyetsGod in Knicks vs Ex-Knicks Civil War 2. :lol:


I'd live and die with the Knicks if they had 15 players I detested.

Goran is a semi-bum and Lin is dead to me, though the two of them are also more or less a wash. I think Lin is the best of all 3 guys, but I think we are using Jennings well and maximizing him, or he's maximizing his own self if you prefer.

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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#976 » by Knicksfan1992 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:33 pm

I like Dragic but, his issue is he's the kind of player that needs the keys to be given to him to be truly effective. He was pretty much just a part of the crew when Wade and Bosh were in town last year and for what he was giving them he was significantly overpaid. Now Wade left and Bosh can't play he's been given the keys and his numbers look great but, problem is they rack up the losses. He's not a natural spot up shooter and not necessarily a great cutter. So, essentially you're trading for a less injury prone and a better passing but, less athletic Rose who is approaching 31 at a young man's position and isn't noticeably better defensively than Rose is (no matter how much BNO loves him and tries to skew the argument...lol). Not exactly the biggest upgrade. He fits Melo's timeline for sure but, not KP's at all and that should be our main concern. Competing now while securing the future.

Ultimately, gun to my head, I would do it because with the cap going up and what Rose is likely to get on the open market Dragic should be better value. However, I'm not mad that we don't have the assets to get him anyway because we're not the type of team that's a Dragic away from competing for a title right now. He makes a lot more sense for a team like the Spurs who desperately lack a playmaker in the TP role or the Grizzlies who could use Conley insurance and a little more punch on offense. I'd maybe be interested in being the 3rd team that picks up spare parts of the trade by sending LT somewhere.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#977 » by Dr. Detfink » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:01 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I'd live and die with the Knicks if they had 15 players I detested.

Goran is a semi-bum and Lin is dead to me, though the two of them are also more or less a wash. I think Lin is the best of all 3 guys, but I think we are using Jennings well and maximizing him, or he's maximizing his own self if you prefer.

Who is Gallinari?


Aw, come on. That's harsh. I like a Goran and Lin back court with the REAL Gallo at SF. ;)

As for Jennings, there's NO QUESTION after his stock was hurt due to his injury he's working his butt off, using New York (wisely) to get a huge pay upgrade. So far the effort is there. 8-)
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#978 » by poeman » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:05 pm

You can tell Rose is happy here, he legit seems happy to be with Melo and KP. I find it hard for him to go somewhere else, but you never know. Business is business.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#979 » by K_ick_God » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:05 pm

Sorry, paying Goran tons of money is so bad.

PGs can be had. I'd much prefer to give Rose $40M over 2 than get Dragic. Dragic is basically a fake starter. He does do a handful of things pretty well, yeah. But nothing really well. His ability to change your team's fortunes good or bad is very suspect. He's just a decent player.
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Re: Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season 

Post#980 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:07 pm

I'd take Dragic in a heartbeat for Rose. Not giving up G, though.

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