official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

seren · Post #961 » by **seren** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:55 pm

The only buyout scenario we should entertain is if Melo is willing to give up next year's player option. Otherwise, he should stay. We can tank with Melo.

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seren · Post #962 » by **seren** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:55 pm

Also in season trade is still a possibility if one of the contenders is underachieving.

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Post #963 » by **King of Canada** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:56 pm

No way in a million years should we buy out Melo. If somebody wants him, give something up and pay his salary. Otherwise GTFO.

Jalen Bluntson · Post #964 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:15 pm

Savageknick2190 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Savageknick2190 wrote:
Melo isnt forcing the Knicks to do anything. He will play to the terms of the contract that he signed. If the Knicks want to play him five minutes per games or bench him that is up to them. He has forced them to do nothing. They know what their options are. Find somewhere he wants to go or buy him out. Very simple.

People need to realize a few things. Melo claims he wants to win. He can't do that here. Not in the next few years. There is no reason to be here. I would not mind if he stayed and accepted a lesser role. I just don't see the logic. So acting like he wants to stay and meaning it are two different things. It's called posturing. Does he really want to stay and play the triangle for the remainder of his contract? On a lottery team? Losing another year or two of his career? Risking injury. Not a good career move if he wants a ring.

The Knicks have no reason to buy him out. Just play him less minutes and focus on the other players. Years end he opts out. Good luck getting cap space in Cleveland to add him. Will PG-13 wait or go home to LA? That's not the Knicks problem. No way I would buy him out and hand him to LeBron for free. **** THAT 3

Understand this first and foremost Melo wants to win here. Winning anywhere else is secondary. He is fine accepting a lesser role. As far as staying on a year or two on a lottery team and you not believing he would do it. Where you been? He has been here the last couple of years and the Knicks have been in the lottery. It would be nothing new for him and not an issue. He would love a better situation but he loves living in the city more.

Melo said he doesn't want a reduced role. He was on lottery teams because the win now roster was trash. Not because he was ok with it. Him wanting to win here is a detriment to the direction of the team. He's not gonna play good soldier and play a limited role on a losing team. To keep trying to make the playoffs with him is putting the team on a treadmill when we should be in a tank. It's a selfish move to keep the team from rebuilding THE RIGHT WAY. High lottery picks instead of mid to late round picks. Talent wins in this league, not wishful thinking.

Post #965 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:33 pm

King of Canada wrote:No way in a million years should we buy out Melo. If somebody wants him, give something up and pay his salary. Otherwise GTFO.

what if all someone is willing to give up is like frye and shumpert or crawford and rivers?

knicks9784 · Post #966 » by **knicks9784** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:34 pm

i'd tell him to collect his checks and take the next 2 years off before i'd give him a buy out.

Lord Commander · Post #967 » by **Lord Commander** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:34 pm

King of Canada wrote:No way in a million years should we buy out Melo. If somebody wants him, give something up and pay his salary. Otherwise GTFO.

I was just about to post this. The thought of giftwrapping him to Cleveland is nauseating. FOH...

Post #968 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:38 pm

seren wrote:Also in season trade is still a possibility if one of the contenders is underachieving.

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there is no way you can have melo start training camp. It would take away everything we are trying to build here. All the young players would be forced by the media everyday to answer questions about melo/phil. It would be terrible for play development and an added headache to start the year.

At this point we have gone too far to consider bringing him into training camp.

Post #969 » by **King of Canada** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:38 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
King of Canada wrote:No way in a million years should we buy out Melo. If somebody wants him, give something up and pay his salary. Otherwise GTFO.

what if all someone is willing to give up is like frye and shumpert or crawford and rivers?

At least if you trade him you have some control, and can demand something in return - like a far future 1st, etc....If all Cleveland is willing to offer is Frye and Shump, you tell them too bad and tell Melo to come up with more teams. I just don't think that we should be trying to help Cleveland or anybody else by buying him out. Make him come off the bench until something comes along. We don't need to be awful to Melo, but there is no need to give him 40 minutes a night either.

Post #970 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:40 pm

King of Canada wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
King of Canada wrote:No way in a million years should we buy out Melo. If somebody wants him, give something up and pay his salary. Otherwise GTFO.

what if all someone is willing to give up is like frye and shumpert or crawford and rivers?

At least if you trade him you have some control, and can demand something in return - like a far future 1st, etc....If all Cleveland is willing to offer is Frye and Shump, you tell them too bad and tell Melo to come up with more teams. I just don't think that we should be trying to help Cleveland or anybody else by buying him out. Make him come off the bench until something comes along. We don't need to be awful to Melo, but there is no need to give him 40 minutes a night either.

the problem is Melo doesn't mind staying. So its not like have more teams in mind or we wont get rid of you.

Melo wants to stay a lot more than Phil wants him out.

Savageknick2190 · Post #971 » by **Savageknick2190** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:46 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Savageknick2190 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
People need to realize a few things. Melo claims he wants to win. He can't do that here. Not in the next few years. There is no reason to be here. I would not mind if he stayed and accepted a lesser role. I just don't see the logic. So acting like he wants to stay and meaning it are two different things. It's called posturing. Does he really want to stay and play the triangle for the remainder of his contract? On a lottery team? Losing another year or two of his career? Risking injury. Not a good career move if he wants a ring.

The Knicks have no reason to buy him out. Just play him less minutes and focus on the other players. Years end he opts out. Good luck getting cap space in Cleveland to add him. Will PG-13 wait or go home to LA? That's not the Knicks problem. No way I would buy him out and hand him to LeBron for free. **** THAT 3

Understand this first and foremost Melo wants to win here. Winning anywhere else is secondary. He is fine accepting a lesser role. As far as staying on a year or two on a lottery team and you not believing he would do it. Where you been? He has been here the last couple of years and the Knicks have been in the lottery. It would be nothing new for him and not an issue. He would love a better situation but he loves living in the city more.

Melo said he doesn't want a reduced role. He was on lottery teams because the win now roster was trash. Not because he was ok with it. Him wanting to win here is a detriment to the direction of the team. He's not gonna play good soldier and play a limited role on a losing team. To keep trying to make the playoffs with him is putting the team on a treadmill when we should be in a tank. It's a selfish move to keep the team from rebuilding THE RIGHT WAY. High lottery picks instead of mid to late round picks. Talent wins in this league, not wishful thinking.

You are speaking of two different subjects. Whats best for the Knicks and Whats best for Melo they are not mutually exclusive. Melo will accept a reduced role he doesnt have a choice. He is an employee of the knicks under contract. You are stating the obvious that its not good for the team that he remains. Phil Jackson gsve Melo a no trade clause and you can blame him for that. It is Melo's right no matter how anyone else may feel about it to finish his contract here as a knick on a winning team / losing team at 30 min a game or 10 min a game. It is the right of management to find a destination he is willing to go to that can give the knicks what they want or give him a buy out / waive him. That is all. Dont put this on Melo he is doing what he should be doing working under the terms of his current contract

Savageknick2190 · Post #972 » by **Savageknick2190** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Savageknick2190 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
People need to realize a few things. Melo claims he wants to win. He can't do that here. Not in the next few years. There is no reason to be here. I would not mind if he stayed and accepted a lesser role. I just don't see the logic. So acting like he wants to stay and meaning it are two different things. It's called posturing. Does he really want to stay and play the triangle for the remainder of his contract? On a lottery team? Losing another year or two of his career? Risking injury. Not a good career move if he wants a ring.

The Knicks have no reason to buy him out. Just play him less minutes and focus on the other players. Years end he opts out. Good luck getting cap space in Cleveland to add him. Will PG-13 wait or go home to LA? That's not the Knicks problem. No way I would buy him out and hand him to LeBron for free. **** THAT 3

Understand this first and foremost Melo wants to win here. Winning anywhere else is secondary. He is fine accepting a lesser role. As far as staying on a year or two on a lottery team and you not believing he would do it. Where you been? He has been here the last couple of years and the Knicks have been in the lottery. It would be nothing new for him and not an issue. He would love a better situation but he loves living in the city more.

Melo said he doesn't want a reduced role. He was on lottery teams because the win now roster was trash. Not because he was ok with it. Him wanting to win here is a detriment to the direction of the team. He's not gonna play good soldier and play a limited role on a losing team. To keep trying to make the playoffs with him is putting the team on a treadmill when we should be in a tank. It's a selfish move to keep the team from rebuilding THE RIGHT WAY. High lottery picks instead of mid to late round picks. Talent wins in this league, not wishful thinking.

Before anything else this is a business. So don't let your emotions cloud your thinking or judgement about what should or will happen with the Knicks.

Post #973 » by **King of Canada** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:51 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
King of Canada wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

what if all someone is willing to give up is like frye and shumpert or crawford and rivers?

At least if you trade him you have some control, and can demand something in return - like a far future 1st, etc....If all Cleveland is willing to offer is Frye and Shump, you tell them too bad and tell Melo to come up with more teams. I just don't think that we should be trying to help Cleveland or anybody else by buying him out. Make him come off the bench until something comes along. We don't need to be awful to Melo, but there is no need to give him 40 minutes a night either.

the problem is Melo doesn't mind staying. So its not like have more teams in mind or we wont get rid of you.

Melo wants to stay a lot more than Phil wants him out.

It's pretty tempting to have him move on and start actually rebuilding

GEOLINK · Post #974 » by **GEOLINK** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:52 pm

I think it's been pretty established Phil won't make a deal that includes bums with longer contracts than the one offered.

Otherwise, he would've just done the Clippers trade at the deadline and be done with it.

seren · Post #975 » by **seren** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:19 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
seren wrote:Also in season trade is still a possibility if one of the contenders is underachieving.

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there is no way you can have melo start training camp. It would take away everything we are trying to build here. All the young players would be forced by the media everyday to answer questions about melo/phil. It would be terrible for play development and an added headache to start the year.

At this point we have gone too far to consider bringing him into training camp.

If you put it that way, KP drama is even bigger at this point. At least until KP publicly apologizes.

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Post #976 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:21 pm

seren wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
seren wrote:Also in season trade is still a possibility if one of the contenders is underachieving.

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there is no way you can have melo start training camp. It would take away everything we are trying to build here. All the young players would be forced by the media everyday to answer questions about melo/phil. It would be terrible for play development and an added headache to start the year.

At this point we have gone too far to consider bringing him into training camp.

If you put it that way, KP drama is even bigger at this point. At least until KP publicly apologizes.

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I don't think the KP stuff will get any better until Melo is gone. At least at that point we can move forward with a direction and hopefully KP is on board. KP can't be that dumb to think we can build a contender in one year. Sucking actually helps him get future pieces.

Post #977 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:22 pm

King of Canada wrote:
It's pretty tempting to have him move on and start actually rebuilding

thats what im saying. It's more tempting to have him more on and us actually rebuild than to keep him here and hope he eventually relents on destinations. He doesn't have great value regardless but keeping him on the roster just makes no sense. Which means that as a last resort a buyout should still be considered.

BowlRips · Post #978 » by **BowlRips** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:25 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
King of Canada wrote:
It's pretty tempting to have him move on and start actually rebuilding

thats what im saying. It's more tempting to have him more on and us actually rebuild than to keep him here and hope he eventually relents on destinations. He doesn't have great value regardless but keeping him on the roster just makes no sense. Which means that as a last resort a buyout should still be considered.

Paying him the 30mil for his opt out year is pretty stupid considering theres atleast a 50-50 chance he opts out just to see whats happening in the market

BowlRips · Post #979 » by **BowlRips** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:26 pm

GEOLINK wrote:I think it's been pretty established Phil won't make a deal that includes bums with longer contracts than the one offered.

Otherwise, he would've just done the Clippers trade at the deadline and be done with it.

I'd rather take Crawford (1 year remaining) and Rivers 2/26 then buyout Melo so yea

BowlRips · Post #980 » by **BowlRips** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:27 pm

BowlRips wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:I think it's been pretty established Phil won't make a deal that includes bums with longer contracts than the one offered.

Otherwise, he would've just done the Clippers trade at the deadline and be done with it.

I'd rather take Crawford (1 year remaining) and Rivers 2/26 then buyout Melo so yea

Also you can easily trade Crawford to Sixers (who I believe offered him 25mil a year last offseason) for just cap space.. The buyout makes no sense with minimally that deal being on the table.