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GONYK wrote:duetta wrote:I think what KP did is immature and wrong-headed, but he's 21 years of age.
What's Phil's excuse?
That he's literally doing his job?
It is well within Phil's purview to listen to trade offers.
god shammgod wrote:the whole "phil is just trolling" the league thing is ridiculous. even if nothing happens, this is another sideshow act in the circus which continues to make the knicks look like a joke. there's no winning for anyone involved with the knicks. on or off the court apparently.
GONYK wrote:DE FENSE wrote:frogfood wrote:
Publicly trying to shame/antagonize someone is not how you get through to someone.
When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.
How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?
duetta wrote:GONYK wrote:duetta wrote:I think what KP did is immature and wrong-headed, but he's 21 years of age.
What's Phil's excuse?
That he's literally doing his job?
It is well within Phil's purview to listen to trade offers.
He did such a good job negotiating that Chandler-Calderon trade, not to mention the JR-Shumpert-Lance Thomas deal...our talent base was so much deeper after those transactions...
And he did such a fabulous job hiring coaches...
ToHoleWithSoul wrote:Jesus, he's only deadlifting 135? My 17 year old niece is doing that.
god shammgod wrote:the whole "phil is just trolling" the league thing is ridiculous. even if nothing happens, this is another sideshow act in the circus which continues to make the knicks look like a joke. there's no winning for anyone involved with the knicks. on or off the court apparently.
GONYK wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:GONYK wrote:
What does that have to do with him not being the coach?
KP skipped out of the meeting with both Jeff and Phil, and has ignored communication from both Jeff and Phil. They are his bosses.
KP is being unprofessional in his actions.
Exploring trades, for KP or otherwise, is literally in Phil's job description. It is professional.
Agreed, it was unprofessional and rude of KP to diss Jackson. But I can't say I blame him. And why would he meet with Hornecek? The guy has no self respect and no command of the team as the head coach. I'm not saying it's right but I understand it. KP should just speed up the inevitable and demand a trade. I don't see how there is any way he comes into training camp after everything that's happened. I think this relationship is over.
Understanding it doesn't make it right. KP is in the wrong here.
He has 2 years left on his deal. He can't really demand anything.
Plus, the whole league just saw what his price tag is, and they can't really afford him. It's not going to change either.
GONYK wrote:DE FENSE wrote:frogfood wrote:
Publicly trying to shame/antagonize someone is not how you get through to someone.
When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.
How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?
GONYK wrote:duetta wrote:GONYK wrote:
That he's literally doing his job?
It is well within Phil's purview to listen to trade offers.
He did such a good job negotiating that Chandler-Calderon trade, not to mention the JR-Shumpert-Lance Thomas deal...our talent base was so much deeper after those transactions...
And he did such a fabulous job hiring coaches...
What does any of that have to do with this situation?
god shammgod wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:god shammgod wrote:
a post earlier said they were trying to get 7 from minny
I was jumping around.
It's hell trying to keep up with all the stuff. I think Phil and Woj have RealGM stock or something.
it's not easy. and i know it's a complete waste of time and i still attempt to do it. but the again, what isn't ?
BeagleBoss wrote:GONYK wrote:DE FENSE wrote:
When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.
How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?
Have you watched TV, listened to the radio and read twitter? The entire country is laughing at this franchise once again. If this old pos wanted to see what's out there for KP, why not do it privately? Phil has been known to be very careful and quiet of what gets out there. He purposely wanted this attention. Getting his mouth piece to write that article was predetermined.
GONYK wrote:duetta wrote:GONYK wrote:
That he's literally doing his job?
It is well within Phil's purview to listen to trade offers.
He did such a good job negotiating that Chandler-Calderon trade, not to mention the JR-Shumpert-Lance Thomas deal...our talent base was so much deeper after those transactions...
And he did such a fabulous job hiring coaches...
What does any of that have to do with this situation?
BeagleBoss wrote:GONYK wrote:DE FENSE wrote:
When he won't even take your calls, and you are his employer, it makes sense to look at all your options. What leaks is what leaks, who knows what is the truth. KP is the one fcking up, and I love KP.
How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?
Have you watched TV, listened to the radio and read twitter? The entire country is laughing at this franchise once again. If this old pos wanted to see what's out there for KP, why not do it privately? Phil has been known to be very careful and quiet of what gets out there. He purposely wanted this attention. Getting his mouth piece to write that article was predetermined.
egelband wrote:ToHoleWithSoul wrote:Jesus, he's only deadlifting 135? My 17 year old niece is doing that.
Get her to an octagon, stat
GONYK wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:GONYK wrote:
How is taking calls on a trade for KP publicly shaming or antagonizing him?
Have you watched TV, listened to the radio and read twitter? The entire country is laughing at this franchise once again. If this old pos wanted to see what's out there for KP, why not do it privately? Phil has been known to be very careful and quiet of what gets out there. He purposely wanted this attention. Getting his mouth piece to write that article was predetermined.
Who cares about radio and twitter? Phil doesn't dictate the course of conversation in this country.
The Rosen article came out last night. The chatter about a potential trade is in day 3.
And who knows where the leaks came from?
Either way, none of this is publicly shaming/antagonizing or unprofessional. There is nothing wrong with exploring a trade.
Are the Phoenix suns publicly shaming Criss and Bender? Is Ainge publicly shaming Brown?
BeagleBoss wrote:GONYK wrote:BeagleBoss wrote:Agreed, it was unprofessional and rude of KP to diss Jackson. But I can't say I blame him. And why would he meet with Hornecek? The guy has no self respect and no command of the team as the head coach. I'm not saying it's right but I understand it. KP should just speed up the inevitable and demand a trade. I don't see how there is any way he comes into training camp after everything that's happened. I think this relationship is over.
Understanding it doesn't make it right. KP is in the wrong here.
He has 2 years left on his deal. He can't really demand anything.
Plus, the whole league just saw what his price tag is, and they can't really afford him. It's not going to change either.
It's a players league GONYK. If KP wants out, he'll get out. GMs and organizations have no control. KP can easily stay in Latvia.
blueNorange wrote:what's sad is that there's probably some that want this to happen just to continue with their 'fire phil' rhetoric.
