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[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#961 » by SmoothLefty21 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:35 pm

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Handledatruth wrote:
Not sure if anyone remembers watching Antoine Jamison play, but they have an eerily similar game. Same defense issues as well. Not to call it his ceiling, just noting Knox's playing style.


I disagree. Jamison was a great post up player at UNC. Quick as hell, crafty, and a little unorthodox. He also barely shot threes.


If we could walk away with a player of that level it's be a huge win. Jamison was pretty awesome.


I agree, but I don't see the comparison.
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Post#962 » by delvec19 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:35 pm

Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#963 » by Handledatruth » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:36 pm

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Not sure if anyone remembers watching Antoine Jamison play, but they have an eerily similar game. Same defense issues as well. Not to call it his ceiling, just noting Knox's playing style.


I disagree. Jamison was a great post up player at UNC. Quick as hell, crafty, and a little unorthodox. He also barely shot threes.


I didnt watch him as a college player. I watched him in the NBA. Plus the college game is different now, most 3s and 4s shoot threes now (even 5s). Knox is crafty, quick, but not explosive. Similar to Jamison. And Jamison shot threes in the NBA. Career 34%. Attempted over 2 a game in his prime (not a high number nowadays, but again the game is different).
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#964 » by taj2133 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:36 pm

delvec19 wrote:Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?

maybe cleveland
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#965 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:36 pm

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Isiahthomass wrote:Knox definitely seems like a Knicks-type pick..... and not in a good way



A Knicks type pick like KP and Frank?


More like Frye, Balkman, Mardy Collins, Jordan Hill, Michael Sweetney, Cleanthony Early and Frederic Weis

i liked Balkman

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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#966 » by KnicksManiac » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:37 pm

delvec19 wrote:Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?


No. We'd be the only ones dumb enough to waste a top 10 pick on this guy.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#967 » by magnumt » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:37 pm

delvec19 wrote:Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?


Only Orlando or Cleveland really. Maaaaaaaaasybe Chicago.

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Post#968 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:37 pm

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What are Mikals stats...again, this is an 18 year old kid...


Last year, soph year, or freshman. He barely played as a freshman, but I can pull whatever.

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
Ayton is going #1 physical tools and not great IQ

I just feel yall looking at Knox like he's some kind of finished project. If mikal entered the draft as a freshman he wouldnt even be considered a top 10 pick period. He grew and got better over time and yall refuse to look at that picture. yall comparing 3 years of experience to a freshman thrown into the fire of being a star on a team of starters who were dam near the same age as him and didnt have experience themselves.

idk man mikal is a EASY pick to like and take but i dont feel his upside is greater but hes still in my top 3 on draft night either way.


Ayton is going #1 because he is skilled offensively and the body and athleticism to match. I think he's a terrible defender, but part of me thinks it is because he was playing the 4 instead of the 5 last year.

I don't think Knox is finished at all. I just don't think he's this great well rounded prospect many people think he is.

K P 6 wrote:Yall can go into your stats all you want. From the highlights I have seen he gets it on the run and attacks. He's young, I think he can build off of it.


It's player tracking numbers, not any advanced metric. Highlights can make anyone look good.


I was looking for advanced metrics, comparison of freshman Mikal vs freshman Knox. I know there may be a significant disperity between time played. Just wanted to see how they stacked up freshman on freshman/apples to apples.


I mean, advanced metrics can just be googled. You don't need me for that, lol. I can put in the Synergy stuff, if you want for at least a few areas. Don't want to delve into full detail, because I'm doing other things right now too.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#969 » by MP4LIFE » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:37 pm

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MP4LIFE wrote:I'm not a college ball expert but really spent the last 5 hours scouring the internet for scouting reports, compilations of strengths/weaknesses and various interviews and I came up with this:

Knox: Soft, poor handles, low basketball IQ, poor efficiency, not good defender

Mikal Bridges: Efficient, consistent, high IQ, good defender, limited offensively

Trae Young: versatile offensively, impressive court vision, below average efficiency, small, terrible defensively

Sexton: Explosive, gets to the rim, good defender, poor basketball IQ and court vision, not a great shooter, competitor

Bamba: Ridiculously long, very good perimeter defender, post defense will get better with more weight, great rebounder, tons of potential, overmatched offensively due to lack of muscle/weight

Gilgeous-Alexander: Finesse finisher, playmaker, struggles to crate for himself, struggles to finish in traffic, skinny (180 lbs), lots of potential

Porter Jr: Great in transition, great shooter, slow footed on D, poor defensive effort, lacks explosion and handles, lacks strength, poor IQ, zero court vision, plays selfish basketball

Lonnie Walker: very athletic, explosive, streak shooter, confident, poor efficiency, poor basketball IQ and vision, poor handles, doesn’t get to the rim for someone of his physical nature + doesn’t draw fouls, good potential

Miles Bridges: good shooting form, athletic, good handles, limited offensively, poor playmaker, turnovers, limited upside

Wendell Carter Jr: Versatile offensively – can play in and out smoothly, great passer, high IQ, not very athletic, finesse player, great rebounder, plays tentative and soft at times

Out of all these guys I like Sexton and Gilgeous-Alexander the most. Mikal too, as a safe pick.

Knox, to me, would literally be the worst player out of all these guys.


This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!


Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#970 » by KnickLeDime » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:37 pm

K-DOT wrote:
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K-DOT wrote:But a lot of us on team Mikal feel that he has a comparable ceiling to Knox, if not an even higher one cause of his defense, and he's further along in his development

So imo, there's no reason to draft Knox over Mikal


Some of us very strongly disagree...Mikal is probably 85% through his development vs maybe 50% from Knox IMHO. I view Mikal as pretty close to a finished product with limited physical tools, slight build etc.

I mean, how can you know for sure that Mikal is near his peak? He's only 21, gonna be 22 in a few months

Players are still developing until their late 20s, y'all make it sound like Mikal is like 26 already


I don't know but I think his toolbox has substantially less space to add more to it than some others...virtually every scouting reports notes that the prevailing opinion or fair question to ask is how much better is he going to get. I'm sure there will be some marginal improvement...there won't be any quantum leaps and a Bridges of today is a middling NBA starter IMHO
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#971 » by mpharris36 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 pm

Mecca wrote:SGA bandwagon filling up quickly. Come one, come all. We got vacancy


sign me up for SGA over knox as well....
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Post#972 » by KnicksManiac » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 pm

HEZI wrote:There's no Knox in a Knicks jersey photoshop yet?

Y'all slacking


I don't want to see Knox in a Knicks jersey before I absolutely have to. Let me enjoy these next few hours before I hear Adam Silver officially say his name.
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Post#973 » by mpharris36 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 pm

delvec19 wrote:Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?


let's hope
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#974 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:38 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:SGA bandwagon filling up quickly. Come one, come all. We got vacancy


sign me up for SGA over knox as well....

**** sign me up too...
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#975 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

KnickLeDime wrote:
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I was looking for advanced metrics, comparison of freshman Mikal vs freshman Knox. I know there may be a significant disperity between time played. Just wanted to see how they stacked up freshman on freshman/apples to apples.


as i got to the end i was thinking just how NOT apples to apples that comparison would be. different teams. different systems. different roles.


Your objection is noted but indulge me...


oh, that was it. just saying it's never a direct apples-to-apples comparison due to the variations in cirmstance and role, mainly. kentucky is the ultimate variable for players in general.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#976 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

BowlRips wrote:Source: Knox met with NYK 3 times. All indications he’s been given have been that he’s the selection


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I'm assuming your source is on Knox's side (agent, family, player himself, etc), because the Knicks' front office has been unbelievably tight-lipped. I haven't gotten a single peep from them, and I've spoken with plenty of them since November.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#977 » by SmoothLefty21 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
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shtolky wrote:

A Knicks type pick like KP and Frank?


More like Frye, Balkman, Mardy Collins, Jordan Hill, Michael Sweetney, Cleanthony Early and Frederic Weis

i liked Balkman

lol


I'm still convinced the only reason we took Balkman was because we saw him win NIT MVP at the Garden a few months before the draft. :banghead:
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#978 » by DowNY » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:
delvec19 wrote:Is there any chance Knox goes before 9?


No. We'd be the only ones dumb enough to waste a top 10 pick on this guy.

Bulls and Sixers said to be intrigued by Knox. More so Sixers. Who has a top 10 pick.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#979 » by KnickLeDime » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

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Last year, soph year, or freshman. He barely played as a freshman, but I can pull whatever.



Ayton is going #1 because he is skilled offensively and the body and athleticism to match. I think he's a terrible defender, but part of me thinks it is because he was playing the 4 instead of the 5 last year.

I don't think Knox is finished at all. I just don't think he's this great well rounded prospect many people think he is.



It's player tracking numbers, not any advanced metric. Highlights can make anyone look good.


I was looking for advanced metrics, comparison of freshman Mikal vs freshman Knox. I know there may be a significant disperity between time played. Just wanted to see how they stacked up freshman on freshman/apples to apples.


I mean, advanced metrics can just be googled. You don't need me for that, lol. I can put in the Synergy stuff, if you want for at least a few areas. Don't want to delve into full detail, because I'm doing other things right now too.


Obviously many areas to consider but you brought up efficiency on the break for Knox at 49% and TO% on the break...so I was just curious at least there how a freshman Knox stacks up against a freshman Bridges.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#980 » by HEZI » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:39 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:
HEZI wrote:There's no Knox in a Knicks jersey photoshop yet?

Y'all slacking


I don't want to see Knox in a Knicks jersey before I absolutely have to. Let me enjoy these next few hours before I hear Adam Silver officially say his name.


Well damn, the Knox hate is real strong around here
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