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Post#961 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 5:47 pm

god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?
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Post#962 » by King of Canada » Fri Sep 6, 2019 5:51 pm

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god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer (see, Carmelo Anthony)

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


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Post#963 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Sep 6, 2019 5:55 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:There is no star player on this team.


Randle and dsjr will make that oladipo jump this year.
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Post#964 » by King of Canada » Fri Sep 6, 2019 5:57 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:There is no star player on this team.


Randle and dsjr will make that oladipo jump this year.


That's the dream/best case for sure
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Post#965 » by god shammgod » Fri Sep 6, 2019 6:03 pm

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god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


did you watch him in college ? it's one of his strongest suits. it's why they compare him to all the play making 2 guards like jalen rose, evan turner, harden.

go back to sleep :lol:
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Post#966 » by Capn'O » Fri Sep 6, 2019 6:07 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.
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Post#967 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 6, 2019 6:42 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:One thing the guy who put together the video breakdown of Frank's game against the DR said that rang true to me is that "with Frank, it's always going to be baby steps." That seems to be the case so far though I don't know that Fizdale has helped much in this department. Anyhow, I think we're beginning to see the type of game that Frank brings to the table. He's still a little cautious but I feel like that he will continue to improve as he gets more comfortable with consistent minutes.


I think we know already Fiz is not a baby steps kind of guy. Yeah, he may know some tricks to help a guy finish better at the rim, but my impression is he really is only interested in tweaking guys who can already produce on the offensive end on some level.

The whole "eat what you kill" thing was the id of Fiz speaking. That's who he truly is so I'd believe him when he says stuff like that. He's like the girl who only dates bad boys so don't believe her when she says she really wants someone kind with a sense of humor.

I'd say Mike Miller was the baby stepper in the organization and now he's at MSG so he may end up carrying that weight and covering for Fizdale's flaws somewhat.
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Post#968 » by mpharris36 » Fri Sep 6, 2019 6:43 pm

god shammgod wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


which is why I have my concerns with both the DSJ and Payton pairings. Both DSJ and Payton need the ball consistently to be effective. And I want the ball mostly in RJ's hands.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#969 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 6, 2019 6:47 pm

Capn'O wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.


RJ showed more court awareness from game 3 of SL onwards than any backcourt player we have or have had in a long time. I think he's is going to be an excellent player because of that alone. I could see him getting to 6 APG + a large number of uncredited hockey assists.
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Post#970 » by god shammgod » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:02 pm

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god shammgod wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


which is why I have my concerns with both the DSJ and Payton pairings. Both DSJ and Payton need the ball consistently to be effective. And I want the ball mostly in RJ's hands.


i told you i'm team trier & rj :D

i know, trier can't guard pgs. and frank can't score. it is what it is. you're at a disadvantage one way or the other. it depends who you have more faith in to make a difference. i believe trier hitting open shots is more important than frank's d on point guards. someone in this lineup has to be a great shooter, not just passable. he didn't have the attempts he needs but he has the ability to be great from 3. and someone has to be a legit bailout option. that's him. he'll have to get to respectable on d but i don't think that's impossible.

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Post#971 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:09 pm

If DSJ jumper is legit, he should have no problem with RJ.

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Post#972 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:10 pm

Capn'O wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.


The last two games? When all of the second year players and other top draft picks were sitting out?
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Post#973 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:12 pm

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Capn'O wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.


RJ showed more court awareness from game 3 of SL onwards than any backcourt player we have or have had in a long time. I think he's is going to be an excellent player because of that alone. I could see him getting to 6 APG + a large number of uncredited hockey assists.


You think he starts and is our primary playmaker?
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Post#974 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:20 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.


The last two games? When all of the second year players and other top draft picks were sitting out?


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Post#975 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:28 pm

King of Canada wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:There is no star player on this team.


Randle and dsjr will make that oladipo jump this year.


That's the dream/best case for sure

None of them will ever hang with Dipo unfortunately. I'd immediately trade both for him.
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Post#976 » by MadGrinch » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


which is why I have my concerns with both the DSJ and Payton pairings. Both DSJ and Payton need the ball consistently to be effective. And I want the ball mostly in RJ's hands.


i told you i'm team trier & rj :D

i know, trier can't guard pgs. and frank can't score. it is what it is. you're at a disadvantage one way or the other. it depends who you have more faith in to make a difference. i believe trier hitting open shots is more important than frank's d on point guards. someone in this lineup has to be a great shooter, not just passable. he didn't have the attempts he needs but he has the ability to be great from 3. and someone has to be a legit bailout option. that's him. he'll have to get to respectable on d but i don't think that's impossible.

we both know dennis is starting anyway


There is no reason to believe smith is starting if you believe RJ is starting.

Last season he was paired with a ball dominant wing and he didn’t make it out the season with them .

Also the Mavericks despite ample cap space didn’t attempt to replace him with a similar type of player

They got a shooter(Seth Curry) and a multi positional defender (Delon Wright) they could have easily had a better player who is a playmaker

It’s what the good teams do once they believe the have franchise wings they tend to have pg’s who excel at off the ball contributions whether it’s defense or shooting

What they don’t do is stifle their development by taking the ball from them and give it to a lesser developmental prospect

They only they won’t is if RJ sucks too bad to be given the ball or if smith is so good they decide he’s the future of the franchise.

I find both of those scenarios very unlikely.
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Post#977 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 6, 2019 8:02 pm

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The tunnel vision thing wasn't his rep coming into college. I gotta agree with Sham in that I really liked what I saw of him in the last few SL games. If whatever he was doing in college was just a function of where he was he is the top facilitator.


RJ showed more court awareness from game 3 of SL onwards than any backcourt player we have or have had in a long time. I think he's is going to be an excellent player because of that alone. I could see him getting to 6 APG + a large number of uncredited hockey assists.


You think he starts and is our primary playmaker?


Possibly, but it also comes down to what Fizdale implements or wants to emphasize too.

After all, he did lionize Mudiay, presumaby because he got the ball upcourt the quickest, not because he was very good at the game of basketball.

So if DSJr comes back as a legit scorer and he certainly can push it upcourt as well as anyone on the squad, then he may become a pet player.

However, if there is some emphasis on a ball motion offense, then RJ could be a prime beneficiary of that as I can see him being a good system player whose court vision and decision making is utilized.

In the end, it may just boil down to the 2 or 3 guys Fiz wants to be his primary scorers and everyone else can mostly just GTFO and get ready for the offensive board opportunities on their misses.

Short answer: Fiz may be the biggest wildcard in all of this, thus I don't know the answer until I see what he does.
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Post#978 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 8:42 pm

god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammed wrote:rj will be the facilitator. he has the best instincts and vision of all the guards.


I should sig this. :lol:

That's funny, because in college they said he's a high-volume scorer.

What happens when the guy guarding him backs off because RJ can't shoot to keep him honest?


did you watch him in college ? it's one of his strongest suits. it's why they compare him to all the play making 2 guards like jalen rose, evan turner, harden.

go back to sleep :lol:


I woke up from my naps to see some of it. Lord knows I've more than enough highlight films. But, as I said in many prior posts, I see him more as a point-forward who has the ability to run some PnRs and get out on the break. That, however, doesn't mean that he's the main guy. I still want to see either Frank or DSJ be our main facilitator.
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Post#979 » by Capn'O » Fri Sep 6, 2019 8:45 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
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RJ showed more court awareness from game 3 of SL onwards than any backcourt player we have or have had in a long time. I think he's is going to be an excellent player because of that alone. I could see him getting to 6 APG + a large number of uncredited hockey assists.


You think he starts and is our primary playmaker?


Possibly, but it also comes down to what Fizdale implements or wants to emphasize too.

After all, he did lionize Mudiay, presumaby because he got the ball upcourt the quickest, not because he was very good at the game of basketball.

So if DSJr comes back as a legit scorer and he certainly can push it upcourt as well as anyone on the squad, then he may become a pet player.

However, if there is some emphasis on a ball motion offense, then RJ could be a prime beneficiary of that as I can see him being a good system player whose court vision and decision making is utilized.

In the end, it may just boil down to the 2 or 3 guys Fiz wants to be his primary scorers and everyone else can mostly just GTFO and get ready for the offensive board opportunities on their misses.

Short answer: Fiz may be the biggest wildcard in all of this, thus I don't know the answer until I see what he does.


The idea is similar to how the Blazers operated with Lillard/Batum. Batum (RJ) was more of a sets oriented orchestrator and Dame (DSjr/Trier) was the wrecking ball who broke down the defense and went bombs away. Frank can be another Batum.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#980 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 6, 2019 9:02 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:If DSJ jumper is legit, he should have no problem with RJ.

Here’s a preview of whats to come...


That's college, son. :lol: Now, he's playing against grown men.

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