OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[2010]

You're telling others to shut up because they don't know history as well as you do, but then you go and imply Vietnam is a democracy. What?

Vietnam is run under a one party system. You're free to be a capitalist there if that is what you mean by freedom, but if you criticize the government there you go straight to jail.

No. I was implying how guerilla warfare yielded victorious results in battle ultimately. While America returned home with it's tail-tucked and attempted to rewrite the outcome of that history. Vietnam's political & monetary system was not my focus. The impact of tactics was.

And if that is your point, then we are not at that stage yet. I fully understand why it may feel like we're at that stage, but we're not.

We are not at the stage where there is no government left and we're digging networks of holes in the ground to fight the terminators and skynet.

We're at the stage where we could go there someday if we let democracy die. And right now, it will die if Trump and the GOP get re-elected. And they can hold on to power by justifying their continued use of force due to civilians burning down neighborhoods. That's their playbook and they're going to use it to scare every voter into their lane.

I'm not speaking from a place of fear. I'm talking about how fear will be used against all of us. They win, it's over for us. We'll never see freedom again.

The time to engage in guerilla warfare can be around the corner if they get re-elected. But a modernized police state will be harder to fight with ditches and molotov cocktails. It will be efficient and merciless.

You may be itching to fight, but you really don't want that if you look at the actual results you'll get. There will be nothing but unending misery and nothing to romanticize about violent resistance once that becomes the only avenue of expression left. You only go down that path until you exhaust the path of democracy that still lays before us.

We have a voice to express and unity in peaceful mass demonstrations will be very effective and very hard to suppress with force. You need to encourage that now. Leave the violent rhetoric for when actual avenues of change have been exhausted.

I don't disagree with you on this point of the timing element and exhausting political avenues of change.

Where we disagree is on the use and effectiveness of justified violence when defending oneself during protests. And the results of property damage & looting.

The fact of the matter is, Derek Chauvin may not have been charged at all, and he certainly wouldn't have had his charges upgraded to 2nd degree murder, had it not been for the defensive protests, property damage, and looting.

Likewise, his 3 accomplices would likely not have been charged either, had it not been for the massive amounts of supporters engaging in the 3 aforementioned actions.

So let's not denounce those elements as if they are self-defeating. History has proven otherwise, as well as the current state of affairs.

Now with the militarization of American cities, police forces going on the offensive and being mobilized against the people, the implementation of curfews, and the like. Yes, I get your sentiment based on timing and exhausting all options before engaging in the full-on fight.

But the mentality needs to be forged beforehand, in case it needs to go there. So let's stop the blanket rebuking. The peaceful protest rally cry has been socially programmed for far too long and it's causing many to lose the context of its effectiveness. Maybe you understand the long game. But most don't.

In the end, if/when all other avenues are exhausted and it gets to the point of no return. Remember, the people comprise the military and the police force. At some point, they will be reminded of who they are. After all, they live amongst the people when they are not on the clock. Strength has always been in numbers and the power has and will always rest with the people.

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No. I was implying how guerilla warfare yielded victorious results in battle ultimately. While America returned home with it's tail-tucked and attempted to rewrite the outcome of that history. Vietnam's political & monetary system was not my focus. The impact of tactics was.

And if that is your point, then we are not at that stage yet. I fully understand why it may feel like we're at that stage, but we're not.

We are not at the stage where there is no government left and we're digging networks of holes in the ground to fight the terminators and skynet.

We're at the stage where we could go there someday if we let democracy die. And right now, it will die if Trump and the GOP get re-elected. And they can hold on to power by justifying their continued use of force due to civilians burning down neighborhoods. That's their playbook and they're going to use it to scare every voter into their lane.

I'm not speaking from a place of fear. I'm talking about how fear will be used against all of us. They win, it's over for us. We'll never see freedom again.

The time to engage in guerilla warfare can be around the corner if they get re-elected. But a modernized police state will be harder to fight with ditches and molotov cocktails. It will be efficient and merciless.

You may be itching to fight, but you really don't want that if you look at the actual results you'll get. There will be nothing but unending misery and nothing to romanticize about violent resistance once that becomes the only avenue of expression left. You only go down that path until you exhaust the path of democracy that still lays before us.

We have a voice to express and unity in peaceful mass demonstrations will be very effective and very hard to suppress with force. You need to encourage that now. Leave the violent rhetoric for when actual avenues of change have been exhausted.

I don't disagree with you on this point of the timing element and exhausting political avenues of change.

Where we disagree is on the use and effectiveness of justified violence when defending oneself during protests. And the results of property damage & looting.

The fact of the matter is, Derek Chauvin may not have been charged at all, and he certainly wouldn't have had his charges upgraded to 2nd degree murder, had it not been for the defensive protests, property damage, and looting.

Likewise, his 3 accomplices would likely not have been charged either, had it not been for the massive amounts of supporters engaging in the 3 aforementioned actions.

So let's not denounce those elements as if they are self-defeating. History has proven otherwise, as well as the current state of affairs.

Now with the militarization of American cities, police forces going on the offensive and being mobilized against the people, the implementation of curfews, and the like. Yes, I get your sentiment based on timing and exhausting all options before engaging in the full-on fight.

But the mentality needs to be forged beforehand, in case it needs to go there. So let's stop the blanket rebuking. The peaceful protest rally cry has been socially programmed for far too long and it's causing many to lose the context of its effectiveness. Maybe you understand the long game. But most don't.

In the end, if/when all other avenues are exhausted and it gets to the point of no return. Remember, the people comprise the military and the police force. At some point, they will be reminded of who they are. After all, they live amongst the people when they are not on the clock. Strength has always been in numbers and the power has and will always rest with the people.

But they are self-defeating

This is the time to be strategic, not emotional

It has absolutely nothing to do with being sympathetic or not to root causes of anger and frustration

I totally get why people are doing it, but that doesn't mean I'm heartless if I don't condone it. Not now of all times.

When Malcolm said By Any Means Necessary he did not say By Any Means Necessary Anytime By Anyone For Any Reason

Lack Discretion and your MEANS get perverted by others for THEIR ENDS.

I think you can trust me to see the big picture. I'm usually the one raining on the parade, because while I have overall allegiance with pretty much everything progressive, I'm often deeply disappointed in the lack of strategic wisdom I see. By that, I do mean if you want to win the war you've got to be much smarter than to play into the hands of the enemy. Optics do count for a whole lot at this point and if anybody tells you they don't they're more interested into throwing themselves into the fray than in winning the ultimate victory which is our freedom.

So right now strategy does NOT require prepping for guerilla warfare. It does NOT require stoking people up for that. If it comes to that, there will be an abundance of that rhetoric to draw from so you really are not preparing anybody for future scenarios if you promote that mindset today.

The energy of the moment by necessity has to focus on the outcome on November 3rd and everything must support that or we all lose big time. So help each other focus on winning the election and acting in ways that will facilitate that result (THIS IS THE OVERRIDING IMPERATIVE THAT SHOULD DICTATE THE CURRENT MEANS), because without the right to vote we've got nothing but another four hundred years of slavery to look forwards to. There is nothing good about guerilla warfare and every sane and responsible civilian should work towards an outcome that does not require it.

I know you're a passionate guy. I'm on your side. Please think deeply NOW on the tactics of the moment while you still have the freedom to do so.

[Clyde_Style]

Non-Violent Protest in the face of violence takes enormous courage and strength. It is not weakness. It is the ultimate statement of moral superiority.

Most violent revolutions produce violent regimes for a reason.

You have be a better person than your oppressor to overcome their inhumanity.

It is better to do it with a million of your neighbors by your side than alone in a cell for decades like Nelson Mandela.

[HarthorneWingo]

They arrest the cop that pushed the 75 year old white protester the ground for no good reason causing him to crack open the back of his skull. Blunt force trauma to the back of the head is very serious. The victim's name is Martin Gugino. According to the article, who has been identified as an activist and a member of the Western New York Peace Center who was attending a protest stemming from the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/nyregion/Buffalo-police-charged.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

2 Buffalo Police Officers Charged in Shoving of 75-Year-Old Demonstrator
More than 100 police officers, firefighters and other supporters crowded outside the courthouse in Buffalo to protest the assault charges filed against the officers.


The Buffalo officers Robert McCabe, 32, left, and Aaron Torgalski, 39, were each charged with felony assault on Saturday

By Maria Cramer
June 6, 2020
Updated 3:26 p.m. ET

Two Buffalo police officers were charged on Saturday with felony assault after a video showed officers shoving a 75-year-old man who was protesting outside City Hall on Thursday night, officials said.

“We had two of our police officers who crossed the line,” the Erie County district attorney, John J. Flynn, told reporters after the arraignment. “My job is to prosecute those who have violated the law, plain and simple. And I believe, and I’m alleging, that these two officers violated the law.”

Prosecutors identified the officers as Aaron Torgalski, 39, and Robert McCabe, 32. They pleaded not guilty and were released on personal recognizance.

The charges were filed after a widely viewed video taken by WBFO, a local radio station, showed two police officers appearing to shove Martin Gugino, who has been identified as an activist and a member of the Western New York Peace Center who was attending a protest stemming from the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

The video of the incident spread rapidly across social media, fueling outrage over the growing body of videos showing officers responding to protests against police violence with more police violence.

The fury only intensified when the Police Department first claimed that Mr. Gugino “tripped and fell,” a description at direct odds with the video.

Mr. Flynn, the district attorney, said that if Mr. Gugino was violating curfew and refused to move, officers should have moved to arrest him.

“You don’t take a baton and shove him,” he said, noting that the other officer shoved Mr. Gugino with his right hand, knocking him down. “That’s what you don’t do. You properly arrest him if he was committing a crime.”

Mr. Flynn said Mr. Gugino was still hospitalized and in serious condition.

Under New York law, a person who attacks someone 65 or older and is more than 10 years younger than the victim can be charged with felony assault, Mr. Flynn said. If convicted, the officers face up to seven years in prison.

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we need them to continue to show their ass so the purge can come...

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Remember these are the same ones doing that performative kneeling the day before doing this

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Saw this in WSJ. Are these numbers accurate?

2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019.

[2010]

And if that is your point, then we are not at that stage yet. I fully understand why it may feel like we're at that stage, but we're not.

We are not at the stage where there is no government left and we're digging networks of holes in the ground to fight the terminators and skynet.

We're at the stage where we could go there someday if we let democracy die. And right now, it will die if Trump and the GOP get re-elected. And they can hold on to power by justifying their continued use of force due to civilians burning down neighborhoods. That's their playbook and they're going to use it to scare every voter into their lane.

I'm not speaking from a place of fear. I'm talking about how fear will be used against all of us. They win, it's over for us. We'll never see freedom again.

The time to engage in guerilla warfare can be around the corner if they get re-elected. But a modernized police state will be harder to fight with ditches and molotov cocktails. It will be efficient and merciless.

You may be itching to fight, but you really don't want that if you look at the actual results you'll get. There will be nothing but unending misery and nothing to romanticize about violent resistance once that becomes the only avenue of expression left. You only go down that path until you exhaust the path of democracy that still lays before us.

We have a voice to express and unity in peaceful mass demonstrations will be very effective and very hard to suppress with force. You need to encourage that now. Leave the violent rhetoric for when actual avenues of change have been exhausted.

I don't disagree with you on this point of the timing element and exhausting political avenues of change.

Where we disagree is on the use and effectiveness of justified violence when defending oneself during protests. And the results of property damage & looting.

The fact of the matter is, Derek Chauvin may not have been charged at all, and he certainly wouldn't have had his charges upgraded to 2nd degree murder, had it not been for the defensive protests, property damage, and looting.

Likewise, his 3 accomplices would likely not have been charged either, had it not been for the massive amounts of supporters engaging in the 3 aforementioned actions.

So let's not denounce those elements as if they are self-defeating. History has proven otherwise, as well as the current state of affairs.

Now with the militarization of American cities, police forces going on the offensive and being mobilized against the people, the implementation of curfews, and the like. Yes, I get your sentiment based on timing and exhausting all options before engaging in the full-on fight.

But the mentality needs to be forged beforehand, in case it needs to go there. So let's stop the blanket rebuking. The peaceful protest rally cry has been socially programmed for far too long and it's causing many to lose the context of its effectiveness. Maybe you understand the long game. But most don't.

In the end, if/when all other avenues are exhausted and it gets to the point of no return. Remember, the people comprise the military and the police force. At some point, they will be reminded of who they are. After all, they live amongst the people when they are not on the clock. Strength has always been in numbers and the power has and will always rest with the people.

But they are self-defeating

I just gave you references to show positive results being yielded. We have 4 firings, 4 arrests, and an upgrade in charges in the Floyd case.

We also have seen immediate action for the shoving of an elderly activist in the case of the situation in Buffalo.

Those things don't happen if we operate solely with your philosophy.

This is the time to be strategic, not emotional

This is a time for emotions to fuel strategy.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being sympathetic or not to root causes of anger and frustration

I totally get why people are doing it, but that doesn't mean I'm heartless if I don't condone it. Not now of all times.

When Malcolm said By Any Means Necessary he did not say By Any Means Necessary Anytime By Anyone For Any Reason

He said, "By any means necessary." #periodt

Lack Discretion and your MEANS get perverted by others for THEIR ENDS.

I think you can trust me to see the big picture. I'm usually the one raining on the parade, because while I have overall allegiance with pretty much everything progressive, I'm often deeply disappointed in the lack of strategic wisdom I see. By that, I do mean if you want to win the war you've got to be much smarter than to play into the hands of the enemy. Optics do count for a whole lot at this point and if anybody tells you they don't they're more interested into throwing themselves into the fray than in winning the ultimate victory which is our freedom.

So right now strategy does NOT require prepping for guerilla warfare. It does NOT require stoking people up for that. If it comes to that, there will be an abundance of that rhetoric to draw from so you really are not preparing anybody for future scenarios if you promote that mindset today.

The energy of the moment by necessity has to focus on the outcome on November 3rd and everything must support that or we all lose big time. So help each other focus on winning the election and acting in ways that will facilitate that result (THIS IS THE OVERRIDING IMPERATIVE THAT SHOULD DICTATE THE CURRENT MEANS), because without the right to vote we've got nothing but another four hundred years of slavery to look forwards to. There is nothing good about guerilla warfare and every sane and responsible civilian should work towards an outcome that does not require it.

I know you're a passionate guy. I'm on your side. Please think deeply NOW on the tactics of the moment while you still have the freedom to do so.

We can, and we will continue to do both. We will peacefully protest, but we will defend ourselves, if violence is brought upon us by a police offensive.

We will be willing to damage property if needed, in a call for attention, if our calls for justice and equality continue to fall on deaf ears.

We will be willing to appropriate goods and merchandise (i.e. looting), if we continue to be leveraged and sacrificed with disregard to human lives and our mental/physical well-being, in the name of collateral damage to uphold the economy.

We can do all that while still stressing the importance of the upcoming election.

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I gave it my best shot

Over and out

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And now they all don't have job and the two criminal cops are going to jail. Fck em.

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And now they all don't have job and the two criminal cops are going to jail. Fck em.

I have to correct myself. They simply quit the task force. They are still working within the department. Point still stands though

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This thread adds way more context to how sh*tty the Buffalo PD is

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This thread adds way more context to how sh*tty the Buffalo PD is

There’s enough evidence here to label that department a terrorist organization, and there are undoubtedly similar stories in every city.