2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[moocow007]

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

I thought you were closer to 82?

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[moocow007]

Why are you guys still arguing about players we’re never even going to sniff?

It’s because we never learn.

We love to set ourselves up for failure and than we blame the organization for it.

Well if the rumor is true and Rose brings back Carmelo Anthony we can blame Anthony...again.

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[moocow007]

And you guys stiiiiiillllll don't get that there are no perfect players?

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[VirginiaKnickFan]

Why are you guys still arguing about players we’re never even going to sniff?

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

35 straight years is a pretty good guarantee of future results...

[HarthorneWingo]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

you saw 2 championships I don't want to hear it from you

[HarthorneWingo]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

I thought you were closer to 82?

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I’ll have you know that recent police witness statements exist that describe me as a “40 year old white male.”

[HarthorneWingo]

It’s because we never learn.

We love to set ourselves up for failure and than we blame the organization for it.

Well if the rumor is true and Rose brings back Carmelo Anthony we can blame Anthony...again.

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In that case you know they have a plan to make a mod again.

[Worst_to_First]

Lamelo’s ceiling is Jason Williams and his worst case is out if the league before his second contract imo. Think he’ll end up in China by his 6th or 7th year most likely.

Plus by investing time in him you’re gonna stunt RJ’s development because LaMelo can’t play off the ball and is just gonna dominate the ball while shooting 30% from the field. Might even beat Knox and Frank and reach the 20% mark.

Otherwise sure drafting LaMelo sounds like a good idea.

Yes am not feeling the LaMelo and RJ pairing as well. If we really think LaMelo is a superstar we may have to consider trading RJ for pieces that would complement LaMelo better. For me personally I’d prioritize RJ over LaMelo.

Jason Williams was the first thing I saw in LaMelo as well although the latter is six to seven inches taller and as such should have a higher ceiling both literally and figuratively.

As electric as Jason Williams was, the Kings became a bigger threat when they replaced him with Mike Bibby, a far less flashier player but ultimately more effective.

[newyorker4ever]

okoro is the guy I kinda want if all else fails

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

They are going to sign Christian Wood for that. The behind the scenes gears apparently already under way. If all the FAs out there that fill a need, fit their expected timeline and has the type if upside talent they need, Wood is the most signable. He is only 24, he would slot in extremely well next to Mitch Robinson and he's an UFA which means the playing field for his services is a lot more level.

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What kind of deal would you throw at C.Wood?

[TheGreenArrow]

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

They are going to sign Christian Wood for that. The behind the scenes gears apparently already under way. If all the FAs out there that fill a need, fit their expected timeline and has the type if upside talent they need, Wood is the most signable. He is only 24, he would slot in extremely well next to Mitch Robinson and he's an UFA which means the playing field for his services is a lot more level.

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What kind of deal would you throw at C.Wood?

Same type of deal we gave Randle but instead guarantee all 3 years.

[3toheadmelo]

Fawk wood. If we replacing Randle then give me this guy

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[Worst_to_First]

Yea LaMelo isn’t a terrible prospect. He’s pretty talented. But the dude has to make unprecedented history cause no one ever shot as poorly as him and ended up being a star. And then his defense is poor. I think he’ll be decent but won’t live up to the hype and prob won’t be an all star.

Wiseman just seems like the safer player with a higher upside.

Wiseman and LaMelo both have translatable skills to the NBA, the former obviously being rebounding and defense while the latter being playmaking. We already have Mitch so while I do not agree I understand the lack of interest for Wiseman. I also sympathize on the Ja Morant envy, but it is what it is.

I think the argument should also boil down on these prospects’ ability to score at the NBA level and which one can do so at an efficient and effective level. For Wiseman I already see an unblockable go-to move and I think he has already those counters in place. LaMelo I am not sure but his shooting percentages are worrisome.

Ultimately I want to see us win a championship. For me it is still a matter of having your opponents score less than you. Am more comfortable with Wiseman’s contribution on defense than LaMelo.

One thing I like about Wiseman is his awareness on his weaknesses and we have seen him work on these and address these. Fixing one’s motor issues is easier said than done, and seeing him address this is a testament to his work ethic and desire to improve.

LaMelo has his merits. Lavar seems to be toughest on him amongst the siblings and this still hasn’t deterred his confidence. I still haven’t brought myself though to the comfort level on him that I have in Wiseman. Him being able to show more commitment on defense will be a step in the right direction.

I won’t ever be able to have LaMelo on the same comfort level as Wiseman. He just has too much flaws in his game. If LaMelo does somehow end up as a Knick, hopefully he reaches his ceiling. But he has a loong way to go

I don’t think I’ll get the same comfort level as well during the drafting process. I tried doing as much work as I can on these two prospects, Wiseman just checks too many boxes for me. I also concluded on my end that no one on the roster has earned the distinction of warranting affecting your drafting thought process.

I like the Ball family. They have gotten quite lucky though. Aside from how the ping pong balls bounced for Lonzo, LaMelo was fortunate enough for Wiseman to have been taken out of the picture early while Edwards failed to seize the opportunity in cementing himself as the number 1 pick.

We’ll see. We are the minority here but I think that League Executive poll that was done shows that the GM’s did their homework on Wiseman as they would have access to information that fans would have a challenging time digging up.

[3toheadmelo]

Wiseman and LaMelo both have translatable skills to the NBA, the former obviously being rebounding and defense while the latter being playmaking. We already have Mitch so while I do not agree I understand the lack of interest for Wiseman. I also sympathize on the Ja Morant envy, but it is what it is.

I think the argument should also boil down on these prospects’ ability to score at the NBA level and which one can do so at an efficient and effective level. For Wiseman I already see an unblockable go-to move and I think he has already those counters in place. LaMelo I am not sure but his shooting percentages are worrisome.

Ultimately I want to see us win a championship. For me it is still a matter of having your opponents score less than you. Am more comfortable with Wiseman’s contribution on defense than LaMelo.

One thing I like about Wiseman is his awareness on his weaknesses and we have seen him work on these and address these. Fixing one’s motor issues is easier said than done, and seeing him address this is a testament to his work ethic and desire to improve.

LaMelo has his merits. Lavar seems to be toughest on him amongst the siblings and this still hasn’t deterred his confidence. I still haven’t brought myself though to the comfort level on him that I have in Wiseman. Him being able to show more commitment on defense will be a step in the right direction.

I won’t ever be able to have LaMelo on the same comfort level as Wiseman. He just has too much flaws in his game. If LaMelo does somehow end up as a Knick, hopefully he reaches his ceiling. But he has a loong way to go

I don’t think I’ll get the same comfort level as well during the drafting process. I tried doing as much work as I can on these two prospects, Wiseman just checks too many boxes for me. I also concluded on my end that no one on the roster has earned the distinction of warranting affecting your drafting thought process.

I like the Ball family. They have gotten quite lucky though. Aside from how the ping pong balls bounced for Lonzo, LaMelo was fortunate enough for Wiseman to have been taken out of the picture early while Edwards failed to seize the opportunity in cementing himself as the number 1 pick.

We’ll see. We are the minority here but I think that League Executive poll that was done shows that the GM’s did their homework on Wiseman as they would have access to information that fans would have a challenging time digging up.

People forget that Wiseman was the undisputed #1 pick until he got suspended. He’s gonna serve mad crow to people doubting him.

I just don’t see any scenario where I would take LaMelo over Wiseman. LaMelo looks flashy in his highlights but he’s not necessarily doing much to help his team win. There’s too much red flags. Could that change once he’s in the NBA? Absolutely. Would I bet on it? Probably not. So we’ll see.

[Zenzibar]

The knicks odds of selecting anything other than a point guard with their top pick is equal to their chances of getting the #1 pick

but i do like deni if they did decide to draft another position

okoro is the guy I kinda want if all else fails

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

Point taken.

You know who strikes me as a dark horse here? You mentioned him, Obi Toppin.

He'll definately be available for us, but what to do with Randle? How about the minutes a the 3 for RJ, Knox and Ignas Brazdeikis who is very talented.
To be honest, even a tempered Randle contributes more with his scoring and rebounding. But dam Toppin can fly.

The way the team's constituted, adding another forward without a planned trade, is hard for me to phantom.
So I'm with you, it'll be either a top 3 projected guard with the #1 and trading the other two picks for a shot at a talented project, like Poku.

[Zenzibar]

Fawk wood. If we replacing Randle then give me this guy

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He may turn out to be an even better as a Pro in the right environment. How does he compare to Kwahi's college numbers.? (I'm too lazy to look it up right now )

Seriously though, without a trade Precious Achiuwa's minutes will be severely restricted.

Plus after watching his interview with Mike Schmitz, he's a expresses himself a little too cocky for what I believe is Walt Perrin draft profile. Pop is very similar in that respect.

[Zenzibar]

They are going to sign Christian Wood for that. The behind the scenes gears apparently already under way. If all the FAs out there that fill a need, fit their expected timeline and has the type if upside talent they need, Wood is the most signable. He is only 24, he would slot in extremely well next to Mitch Robinson and he's an UFA which means the playing field for his services is a lot more level.

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What kind of deal would you throw at C.Wood?

Same type of deal we gave Randle but instead guarantee all 3 years.

With 7 picks in 3 years, I'm wondering why we have to throw money at any young player that's not a star.

[Zenzibar]

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

you saw 2 championships I don't want to hear it from you

[HarthorneWingo]

you saw 2 championships I don't want to hear it from you

You’re an old fart too

[TheGreenArrow]

What kind of deal would you throw at C.Wood?

Same type of deal we gave Randle but instead guarantee all 3 years.

With 7 picks in 3 years, I'm wondering why we have to throw money at any young player that's not a star.

We would be paying him for what he could be.

His potential is sky high.

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[robillionaire]

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

35 straight years is a pretty good guarantee of future results...

the cubs went 101 years between world series wins but it eventually happened. our day is gonna come