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We're we in a different lottery? We didn't tank the year we had the worst record?Sark wrote:Lettuce bee reality, even the years when we got KP and RJ, we didn't tank on purpose. We were trying to be good, but ended up being terrible by accident. The Knicks have never actually tanked, and never will with Dolan owning the team.
Sark wrote:Zenzibar wrote:Sark wrote:
They didn't hire Fizdale to tank. They actually thought he was good, and were talking playoffs before the season started.
Yes they did.
They interviewed 11 candidates in order to tank?
Ok
prophet_of_rage wrote:We're we in a different lottery? We didn't tank the year we had the worst record?Sark wrote:Lettuce bee reality, even the years when we got KP and RJ, we didn't tank on purpose. We were trying to be good, but ended up being terrible by accident. The Knicks have never actually tanked, and never will with Dolan owning the team.
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Hoodwinkedgod shammgod wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:You really believe players are texting that to Steven A. Smith?god shammgod wrote:
not the whole clip but a couple people said it did happen
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Hoodwinked 2YouthMovement wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:You really believe players are texting that to Steven A. Smith?god shammgod wrote:
not the whole clip but a couple people said it did happen
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yes
GONYK wrote:Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?
That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.
Fat Kat wrote:GONYK wrote:Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?
That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.
The currency of hope. Dreams of potential and upside. Guarantee you 90% of them buy scratchy lottery tickets.
And how did they do going back into the draft.Sark wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:Well if we aren't guaranteed a top 5 pick they will complain. We have been in the lottery five times and only in the top five twice. And we had to trade one of our top 5 picks.Sark wrote:
No, the major flaw is that people think tanking means we have to go 0-82 for 5 straight years.
Our lottery strategy yielded a starting five of:
C -- KP
PF -- Obi
SF -- Kevin Knox
SG -- RJB
PG -- Frank
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Past drafts have zero impact on future results. The Bulls drafted bums for years. Then they drafted Michael Jordan.
mpharris36 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Great regular season but we were outclassed, outmanned, and outcoached badly vs the Hawks.
Lot more concerning questions about our future. Can we still trend upwards? Sure can. But there is a little more uncertainty about what we have then about 10 days or so.
You can always tell members of the Closet Kenny Club by statements like that.
McMillan sent doubles at Randle and overplayed shooters. It's the exact same thing the Heat did and no master class in coaching.
Thib wasn't "outcoached" by some wide margin.
The fairly sh*tty roster was exposed.
Sorry Frank didn't get any minutes. That doesn't mean Thibs sucks. It means Frank sucks, as he has through like 18 coaches now. Unfortunately. I was really rooting for the guy. He'll probably put it all together on some other team. Specifically the Mavs, so the prophecy can be fulfilled.
someone woke up angry this morning...carry on
Zenzibar wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Yea, he was horrible all series. The turnovers were very costly...he could barely make basic passes. Then was out of control emotionally. It was bad.
I think Randle was simply exhausted from the grind of the season and all the responsibilities he shouldered all year. It finally caught up to him that one week off before the playoffs start and he never really recovered.
Boom!
No to mentioned the extremely physical practices! Throwing doubles at Julius at practice to get him prepared, seems inhumane.
He was just lethargic and looked slow on both sides of the line. No lift, little energy etc.
He just looked gassed.
Made me appreciate the Michaels, Lebrons, Kobes of the NBA world and the elevation of their energy levels.
Reign23 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:evevale wrote:People getting hyped up for the draft need to dial it back - our coach is Thibs. He's not going to play any young kid regardless of how well they play.
I hope we give him one more season, he imparts more defensive mechanics or whatever and we move on from him. His stubbornness and inability to think on his feet was completely exploited by Nate. No coach is easier to scheme against.
this is not a good example. they were the 9th and 10th man of a 10 men rotation. and just because the alternatives were also young players in Knox, Frank and Harper (+Iggy). If we had a decent 30 year old vet on a one year deal, thibs would have played him over IQ and Obi every day of the week.
prophet_of_rage wrote:And how did they do going back into the draft.Sark wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:Well if we aren't guaranteed a top 5 pick they will complain. We have been in the lottery five times and only in the top five twice. And we had to trade one of our top 5 picks.
Our lottery strategy yielded a starting five of:
C -- KP
PF -- Obi
SF -- Kevin Knox
SG -- RJB
PG -- Frank
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Past drafts have zero impact on future results. The Bulls drafted bums for years. Then they drafted Michael Jordan.
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moocow007 wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:And how did they do going back into the draft.Sark wrote:
Past drafts have zero impact on future results. The Bulls drafted bums for years. Then they drafted Michael Jordan.
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It's actually funny. They drafted Jordan in 1984.
Prior to 1984 and going back to the 1st year of the draft in 1966, the only guys that they drafted that became all-star caliber were Artis Gilmore in 1971 and Maurice Lucas in 1974. Lucas actually never played for the Bulls.
From 1985 on? Pretty much equally brutal.
In the 35 drafts since Jordan was selected the only players drafted by the Bulls that turned out to be even all-star caliber (forget franchise changing) were Elton Brand in 1999, Lamarcus Aldridge in 2006 (he was actually picked for the Blazers), Derek Rose in 2008 and Jimmy Butler in 2011.
So while technically past drafts have zero impact on future results, the results of drafts across the board show how hard it actually is for a team to draft an impact talent forget about franchise altering.
thebuzzardman wrote:moocow007 wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:And how did they do going back into the draft.
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It's actually funny. They drafted Jordan in 1984.
Prior to 1984 and going back to the 1st year of the draft in 1966, the only guys that they drafted that became all-star caliber were Artis Gilmore in 1971 and Maurice Lucas in 1974. Lucas actually never played for the Bulls.
From 1985 on? Pretty much equally brutal.
In the 35 drafts since Jordan was selected the only players drafted by the Bulls that turned out to be even all-star caliber (forget franchise changing) were Elton Brand in 1999, Lamarcus Aldridge in 2006 (he was actually picked for the Blazers), Derek Rose in 2008 and Jimmy Butler in 2011.
So while technically past drafts have zero impact on future results, the results of drafts across the board show how hard it actually is for a team to draft an impact talent forget about franchise altering.
Pippen was a draft day trade for the Bulls though, right? Via Seattle? Just doing this off memory.
Correct.thebuzzardman wrote:moocow007 wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:And how did they do going back into the draft.
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It's actually funny. They drafted Jordan in 1984.
Prior to 1984 and going back to the 1st year of the draft in 1966, the only guys that they drafted that became all-star caliber were Artis Gilmore in 1971 and Maurice Lucas in 1974. Lucas actually never played for the Bulls.
From 1985 on? Pretty much equally brutal.
In the 35 drafts since Jordan was selected the only players drafted by the Bulls that turned out to be even all-star caliber (forget franchise changing) were Elton Brand in 1999, Lamarcus Aldridge in 2006 (he was actually picked for the Blazers), Derek Rose in 2008 and Jimmy Butler in 2011.
So while technically past drafts have zero impact on future results, the results of drafts across the board show how hard it actually is for a team to draft an impact talent forget about franchise altering.
Pippen was a draft day trade for the Bulls though, right? Via Seattle? Just doing this off memory.
Zenzibar wrote:Sark wrote:Zenzibar wrote:
Yes they did.
They interviewed 11 candidates in order to tank?
Ok
That's correct and why Mike Budenholzer wasn't a good fit.
The task was develop but tank respectively.
Sark wrote:Zenzibar wrote:Sark wrote:
They interviewed 11 candidates in order to tank?
Ok
That's correct and why Mike Budenholzer wasn't a good fit.
The task was develop but tank respectively.
Then why give him a 5 year contract? If tanking was the goal, why not just keep Hornacek? Or just get someone like Herb Williams or Rambis to lead the tank?
Why pay a young coach $4m per year just to fire him after 1.25 seasons on a 5 year deal.
Why fire Steve Mills too? If the goal was tanking, then he did his job to perfection.
Chanel Bomber wrote:Sark wrote:Zenzibar wrote:
That's correct and why Mike Budenholzer wasn't a good fit.
The task was develop but tank respectively.
Then why give him a 5 year contract? If tanking was the goal, why not just keep Hornacek? Or just get someone like Herb Williams or Rambis to lead the tank?
Why pay a young coach $4m per year just to fire him after 1.25 seasons on a 5 year deal.
Why fire Steve Mills too? If the goal was tanking, then he did his job to perfection.
Because his timeline coincided with the KD and Kyrie free agency, and Mills felt that Fizdale's relationships and resume as an assistant coach in Miami who won the chip would help recruit them.
The Knicks tanked one year. It's not nearly enough, but they did it one year. No need to push the "Knicks never tank" narrative to its extreme, how they handled it is bad enough.
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