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OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#961 » by Ghetto Gospel » Mon Sep 9, 2024 8:09 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Most people also thought we nailed that 2022 draft too Neal was thought to be a sure fire 10+ year NFL lineman. And KT before the season some people had going #1 overall. I think the Giants really wanted Sauce Gardner because he would have been perfect for our defense at the time under wink...

But that is just the way of the NFL...even if the fans and media at the time love the pick its still on the GM resume.

Personally I don't think Schoen has done a worst job that Getty for a few reasons. He strongly values positional value which I think is important and modern...yes the results are there but I agree with not paying RB's and safeties so I don't mind him sticking to his guns on the Barkley and McKinney decisions...just because they are doing well in another situation doesn't mean it was the wrong decision to walk away from them.

I will really evaluate the oline all year...schoen said he really wanted to improve there...yesterday was an ok performance from the line...nothing crazy but nothing awful (which for the giants is kinda plus).

I also think he has modernized the giants...Getty was using draft binders and refused to even pick up trade phone calls...at least Schoen works and evaluates all the moves...now maybe that is why I have some blinders on because its nice to not have a dinosaur GMing...and Schoen didn't have connection to Mara...but right now Schoen deserves to take some heat especially if this situation goes south...this would be his 3rd draft class to improve the team...at some point we gotta start seeing some results and production from his classes.


frankly, i don't really care what the pre-draft analysts have to say after the fact. schoen has more resources at his disposal than those guys; he should be better informed. we should only care about actual results, not whether or not he's picking with the consensus twitter analysts, otherwise you or i could be blameless GMs.

the oline looked alright yesterday. the vikings don't have the same pass-rush as the cowboys or eagles though, which is who we really need to hold up against if we want any real success. also a couple more draft guys that we can commit to long-term instead of having to patch up the o-line every few years.

i mean are we giving this guy points for picking up the phone..? the bar can't be at understanding positional value and doing due diligence. obviously important things to have but getting good young talent on the roster is the only thing that has matters for the giants and the only thing that has mattered for the past few years
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#962 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Sep 9, 2024 8:11 pm

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Sacks are also a QB stat. Jones is just awful man. Dude brings the rest of the roster down. Not saying we are good, but it almost makes it impossible to evaluate other things properly when the QB is this bad.


You put Taylor behind that line yesterday and I think we actually score an extra 12 points.

He does nothing to help this team. He's not even a scrambling threat anymore.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

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Sacks are also a QB stat. Jones is just awful man. Dude brings the rest of the roster down. Not saying we are good, but it almost makes it impossible to evaluate other things properly when the QB is this bad.


You put Taylor behind that line yesterday and I think we actually score an extra 12 points.

He does nothing to help this team. He's not even a scrambling threat anymore.


It's at least a close game with Tyrod.

At this point might as well tank though. Seems like more and more that everyone needs to get fired for this mess though.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#964 » by Ghetto Gospel » Mon Sep 9, 2024 8:28 pm

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Sacks are also a QB stat. Jones is just awful man. Dude brings the rest of the roster down. Not saying we are good, but it almost makes it impossible to evaluate other things properly when the QB is this bad.


You put Taylor behind that line yesterday and I think we actually score an extra 12 points.

He does nothing to help this team. He's not even a scrambling threat anymore.


not sure why he doesn't scramble anymore. all that bootleg, running around action 2 years ago is where he was at his best. he was never really a great downfield pocket passer. seems severely handicapped if he can't do the 1 thing he was actually decent at anymore
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#965 » by TerrenceClarke » Mon Sep 9, 2024 8:55 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The really discouraging part is the rest of the team looked awful too. Priority is to find a QB in the draft next year. But they'll probably still win a handful of games. Gonna be another painful season. I'm already checked out.


this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one


hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.

This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.

We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?

A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.

Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...

Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.

And I haven't even got to the defense yet....

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da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...

The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...


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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#966 » by TerrenceClarke » Mon Sep 9, 2024 9:02 pm

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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

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This is really bad.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#968 » by mpharris36 » Mon Sep 9, 2024 10:05 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one


hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.

This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.

We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?

A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.

Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...

Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.

And I haven't even got to the defense yet....

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da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...

The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...


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Hey I try to go into a season positive...there was absolutely nothing positive about yesterday. Yesterday looked like the beginning of the end for the decision makers.

But at the end of the day...we can remove this group it is still Mara making the calls and John hasn't gotten a lot right in his tenure since Wellington passed.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#969 » by Gravy » Mon Sep 9, 2024 10:21 pm

I'll give the team a pass this week and blame the uniforms, that was WOAT. There's no excuse for that
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#970 » by Synciere » Mon Sep 9, 2024 10:34 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
this is all i have left for the giants. it's qb or bust this spring, i can't do daniel jones for another season, idk how i'm going to even get through this one


hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.

This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.

We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?

A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.

Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...

Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.

And I haven't even got to the defense yet....

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da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...

The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...


The good news is we can move on from Daniel Jones after this year. The bad news is the damage is already done. It's not even just him. We need to get that salary off the books to fill other holes. And finding a franchise QB should still be the top priority. It's just really tough to find.

But yea, plenty of blame to go around. A lot of poor decisions all around. The organization decision making at the top is a major concern. This team has really made no progress the last few years.

I think Caleb will be fine. Ugly game for him but rookie QBs getting there first start can get a legit pass. I dont think the Bears should be concerned at all yet.


For a long time people said we couldn’t judge Danny bc of the quality of the rest of the roster. They said this even though many QBs have come into the league under similar situations and didn’t look like this. But still it’s Year Six and some people are still deflecting. That said, it’s awfully hard to evaluate receivers and backs with this level of QB play. Even the offensive line can and will look worse based on the decision making of a qb. While there’s plenty of blame, no one affects the outcome of a game more than a QB. That’s why wins have become a QB stat.

More than Schoen, Daboll, the Oline, or defense, Daniel Jones is the No. 1 problem this team has. Trying to fix all of the other issues without replacing Daniel Jones (long term) is putting lipstick on a pig. At this point I’m team Tank. Leave him out there. Let Him cook! Let’s see what other types of exotic pick sixes he can throw.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#971 » by cgmw » Mon Sep 9, 2024 11:05 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.

This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.

We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?

A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.

Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...

Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.

And I haven't even got to the defense yet....

Read on Twitter


da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...

The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...


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Hey I try to go into a season positive...there was absolutely nothing positive about yesterday. Yesterday looked like the beginning of the end for the decision makers.

But at the end of the day...we can remove this group it is still Mara making the calls and John hasn't gotten a lot right in his tenure since Wellington passed.

Positive note: 28-6 is better than the 44-0 opening day drubbing las season.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#972 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:20 am

Synciere wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
hot take...I'm more worried about the overall roster and organization than Daniel Jones at this point. He is low hanging fruit that is there for the fans to just get upset about when we have bigger overarching problems with the franchise at the top.

This is not like the Panthers or Browns situation where Browns can't do anything with the Watson contract for 2 more years after this...or do the Panthers really punt on there #1 overall draft pick 2 years after they drafted Young 1st overall.

We can move off Daniel Jones pretty easily after this year and they will...the concern is the Bears for example one a game yesterday with Caleb Williams playing like hot trash...because there roster is legit good. How many players on this current roster are impact players at there positions?

A QB alone (unless he is Pat Mahomes/Josh Allen type) won't change everything.

Schoen misses at the top part of the draft are now becoming glaring...

Daboll play calling yesterday was ass...did you hear van ginkle on the screen he intercepted...he said he basically the play call was obvious from how the Giants lined up...that is on our "offensive genius" coordinator.

And I haven't even got to the defense yet....

Read on Twitter


da fuq is this...we have invested so much assets/$$$ into that dline and Dex was the only one making impact plays...unacceptable. The secondary is a hot mess...

The team isn't even in a good position to develop a young QB at this point...


The good news is we can move on from Daniel Jones after this year. The bad news is the damage is already done. It's not even just him. We need to get that salary off the books to fill other holes. And finding a franchise QB should still be the top priority. It's just really tough to find.

But yea, plenty of blame to go around. A lot of poor decisions all around. The organization decision making at the top is a major concern. This team has really made no progress the last few years.

I think Caleb will be fine. Ugly game for him but rookie QBs getting there first start can get a legit pass. I dont think the Bears should be concerned at all yet.


For a long time people said we couldn’t judge Danny bc of the quality of the rest of the roster. They said this even though many QBs have come into the league under similar situations and didn’t look like this. But still it’s Year Six and some people are still deflecting. That said, it’s awfully hard to evaluate receivers and backs with this level of QB play. Even the offensive line can and will look worse based on the decision making of a qb. While there’s plenty of blame, no one affects the outcome of a game more than a QB. That’s why wins have become a QB stat.

More than Schoen, Daboll, the Oline, or defense, Daniel Jones is the No. 1 problem this team has. Trying to fix all of the other issues without replacing Daniel Jones (long term) is putting lipstick on a pig. At this point I’m team Tank. Leave him out there. Let Him cook! Let’s see what other types of exotic pick sixes he can throw.


Yea, he's by far the biggest issue. Another season down the drain. Might as well lose every game and clean house.
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Post#973 » by KOA » Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:30 am

My biggest gripe through the last 3 years is not spending decent money in free agency to bolster the offensive line.
Did they really think they can build a top OL unit just through the draft? Instead of going after Nate Davis, Isaac Seumalo, or David Edwards they chose to trade for a skill position player in Waller, giving up draft capital while getting a ballad in return... :lol:
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Post#974 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:35 pm

I will try really hard not to allow these Giants to bother me too much but ngl it hurts. We are in the Isiah/Phil Jackson/Steve Mills times.

I won't go too much in depth but it starts at the top - Mara. He keeps hiring inept people. He'll never sell but he needs to hire the right people to get us out of this mess.

Schoen wasted picks on Neal and Thibodeaux, who is not a bust but he's not that impact Strahan level player we were hoping he was. You cannot whiff on high draft picks. And Daboll needs to get off his high horse cause as much as Jones stinks, he's not that much better at his job. The team was not prepared for this game. Awful play calling and 9 penalties. His post games are a joke as well and he sounds a lot like the guys who failed before him.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#975 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:07 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:I will try really hard not to allow these Giants to bother me too much but ngl it hurts. We are in the Isiah/Phil Jackson/Steve Mills times.

I won't go too much in depth but it starts at the top - Mara. He keeps hiring inept people. He'll never sell but he needs to hire the right people to get us out of this mess.

Schoen wasted picks on Neal and Thibodeaux, who is not a bust but he's not that impact Strahan level player we were hoping he was. You cannot whiff on high draft picks. And Daboll needs to get off his high horse cause as much as Jones stinks, he's not that much better at his job. The team was not prepared for this game. Awful play calling and 9 penalties. His post games are a joke as well and he sounds a lot like the guys who failed before him.


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Post#976 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:08 pm



Jones has no excuses. This was the best protection we've seen in years and it didn't matter
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Post#977 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:10 pm

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Jones has no excuses. This was the best protection we've seen in years and it didn't matter


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Post#978 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:16 pm

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Jones has no excuses. This was the best protection we've seen in years and it didn't matter


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If we're gonna lose just put Tommy in. Don't kill the morale of the team by playing Jones again.
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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#979 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:28 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Jones has no excuses. This was the best protection we've seen in years and it didn't matter


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If we're gonna lose just put Tommy in. Don't kill the morale of the team by playing Jones again.

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Re: OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us 

Post#980 » by GONYK » Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:20 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Jones has no excuses. This was the best protection we've seen in years and it didn't matter


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If we're gonna lose just put Tommy in. Don't kill the morale of the team by playing Jones again.


Lock is playing before Tommy.

Say what you want about him, but he will let the ball go.

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