OT: Joe Biden has withdrawn from the US Presidential race

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm realizing now the timing of Biden's announcement was brilliant.

He totally snuffed out any momentum the GOP felt they had coming out of the convention and shifted the whole focus of the media to Harris and the Democrats.

Joe's an old pro. He knew exactly what he was doing and how to pull it off, including keeping it Leon Rose quiet until the last minute.

SAVAGE

I hate to destroy your lovely narrative but the real story beat you to the punch. It was the poll data.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-quit-race-re-election-after-agonizing-over-poll-data-sources-say-2024-07-22/

Why are you being contrary? We're both right.

It was coincidental but in a very good way. We definitely benefited from the timing of the decision.

Their convention was a complete waste of time and money.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think I’m rooting for Kamala to select Kentucky governor Andy Beschear as VP.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

She's ON THE BALLOT. You want a chit show now? Then give those GOP pricks a chance to contest the ballot in 50 states by choosing someone else.

Didn't you see the story about 40,000 people on a 4 hour zoom call held yesterday by black women supporting Harris? That's the tip of the iceberg. You dump Harris and you may be kissing those votes away.

BLACK WOMEN WON THE LAST ELECTION. Don't forget it. They're coming out of the woodwork now. She's a woman of color and she's going to have an army campaigning for her like no one else would have.

IDGAF. She wasn't the nominee and wasn't running for the office three days ago. It leaves a bad taste the way she was vaulted to the front of the line. That's not unreasonable to feel that way. You were one of the people pushing back a couple years ago when I mentioned Joe's age IIRC. Here you are trying to force me to accept things I don't like again? I am not alone either but, hopefully others will just bite the bullet and get on board. She's still a better choice than Captain Von Shytstain.

I did finish it by saying she's getting my support if they go that route but, I don't have to like the way this shyt show went down. They should have figured his out before the primary. Period.

Disagree. That's what being the VP is all about. You voted for Biden, you also voted for her. If he steps down, she steps up. That's the normal hierarchy.

You make it sound like she's some kind of carpetbagger or opportunist which is pretty bizarre. She's in the middle of serving her first term as VP, not some wannabe.

Nobody forced Kamala Harris on you. That's the narrative the GOP is using.

Your take on it is basically you think she's hot garbage, therefore it is easy for you to say she's being shoved down your throat even when that is counter to reality.

To think it would be desirable to invite a knockdown, dragout fight on a convention floor less than two months before the general election would be sheer madness and be a likely path to failure. People back unity, not division. The party is clearly united behind her.

FACTS: Delegates have been pledged to her. She's the nominee.

You want to talk about civics?

Those delegates came from the primaries which invests them with the powers to pledge their support behind the candidate voted for and to support another should that voted for candidate becomes sidelined. Them's the rules bud. Actual electoral procedure. You don't hold a second set of primaries. The delegates step in like they just have. They represent you and just like any representative you may not like their choice, but that's what you get when you voted for Biden in the primaries.

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

[HarthorneWingo]

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You have a magnifying glass for that?

[HarthorneWingo]

IDGAF. She wasn't the nominee and wasn't running for the office three days ago. It leaves a bad taste the way she was vaulted to the front of the line. That's not unreasonable to feel that way. You were one of the people pushing back a couple years ago when I mentioned Joe's age IIRC. Here you are trying to force me to accept things I don't like again? I am not alone either but, hopefully others will just bite the bullet and get on board. She's still a better choice than Captain Von Shytstain.

I did finish it by saying she's getting my support if they go that route but, I don't have to like the way this shyt show went down. They should have figured his out before the primary. Period.

Disagree. That's what being the VP is all about. You voted for Biden, you also voted for her. If he steps down, she steps up. That's the normal hierarchy.

You make it sound like she's some kind of carpetbagger or opportunist which is pretty bizarre. She's in the middle of serving her first term as VP, not some wannabe.

Nobody forced Kamala Harris on you. That's the narrative the GOP is using.

Your take on it is basically you think she's hot garbage, therefore it is easy for you to say she's being shoved down your throat even when that is counter to reality.

To think it would be desirable to invite a knockdown, dragout fight on a convention floor less than two months before the general election would be sheer madness and be a likely path to failure. People back unity, not division. The party is clearly united behind her.

FACTS: Delegates have been pledged to her. She's the nominee.

You want to talk about civics?

Those delegates came from the primaries which invests them with the powers to pledge their support behind the candidate voted for and to support another should that voted for candidate becomes sidelined. Them's the rules bud. Actual electoral procedure. You don't hold a second set of primaries. The delegates step in like they just have. They represent you and just like any representative you may not like their choice, but that's what you get when you voted for Biden in the primaries.

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

You done throwing your hissy fit?

Now who ya gonna vote for? Trump or Kamala?

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks RealGM advertising rate going up up up!

[Clyde_Style]

IDGAF. She wasn't the nominee and wasn't running for the office three days ago. It leaves a bad taste the way she was vaulted to the front of the line. That's not unreasonable to feel that way. You were one of the people pushing back a couple years ago when I mentioned Joe's age IIRC. Here you are trying to force me to accept things I don't like again? I am not alone either but, hopefully others will just bite the bullet and get on board. She's still a better choice than Captain Von Shytstain.

I did finish it by saying she's getting my support if they go that route but, I don't have to like the way this shyt show went down. They should have figured his out before the primary. Period.

Disagree. That's what being the VP is all about. You voted for Biden, you also voted for her. If he steps down, she steps up. That's the normal hierarchy.

You make it sound like she's some kind of carpetbagger or opportunist which is pretty bizarre. She's in the middle of serving her first term as VP, not some wannabe.

Nobody forced Kamala Harris on you. That's the narrative the GOP is using.

Your take on it is basically you think she's hot garbage, therefore it is easy for you to say she's being shoved down your throat even when that is counter to reality.

To think it would be desirable to invite a knockdown, dragout fight on a convention floor less than two months before the general election would be sheer madness and be a likely path to failure. People back unity, not division. The party is clearly united behind her.

FACTS: Delegates have been pledged to her. She's the nominee.

You want to talk about civics?

Those delegates came from the primaries which invests them with the powers to pledge their support behind the candidate voted for and to support another should that voted for candidate becomes sidelined. Them's the rules bud. Actual electoral procedure. You don't hold a second set of primaries. The delegates step in like they just have. They represent you and just like any representative you may not like their choice, but that's what you get when you voted for Biden in the primaries.

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

That is how delegates work. Not my problem if you don't like the system.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Disagree. That's what being the VP is all about. You voted for Biden, you also voted for her. If he steps down, she steps up. That's the normal hierarchy.

You make it sound like she's some kind of carpetbagger or opportunist which is pretty bizarre. She's in the middle of serving her first term as VP, not some wannabe.

Nobody forced Kamala Harris on you. That's the narrative the GOP is using.

Your take on it is basically you think she's hot garbage, therefore it is easy for you to say she's being shoved down your throat even when that is counter to reality.

To think it would be desirable to invite a knockdown, dragout fight on a convention floor less than two months before the general election would be sheer madness and be a likely path to failure. People back unity, not division. The party is clearly united behind her.

FACTS: Delegates have been pledged to her. She's the nominee.

You want to talk about civics?

Those delegates came from the primaries which invests them with the powers to pledge their support behind the candidate voted for and to support another should that voted for candidate becomes sidelined. Them's the rules bud. Actual electoral procedure. You don't hold a second set of primaries. The delegates step in like they just have. They represent you and just like any representative you may not like their choice, but that's what you get when you voted for Biden in the primaries.

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

You done throwing your hissy fit?

Now who ya gonna vote for? Trump or Kamala?

This is not how presidential candidates are chosen. It never has been. So being displeased with the fact that anyone with a brain saw this coming is not something anyone needs to be disrespectful about. Go back and read what I wrote and lick kampuchea while you're at it,

[Clyde_Style]

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

You done throwing your hissy fit?

Now who ya gonna vote for? Trump or Kamala?

This is not how presidential candidates are chosen. It never has been. So being displeased with the fact that anyone with a brain saw this coming is not something anyone needs to be disrespectful about. Go back and read what I wrote and lick kampuchea while you're at it,

You're embarrassing yourself.

Good night

[HarthorneWingo]

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

You done throwing your hissy fit?

Now who ya gonna vote for? Trump or Kamala?

This is not how presidential candidates are chosen. It never has been. So being displeased with the fact that anyone with a brain saw this coming is not something anyone needs to be disrespectful about. Go back and read what I wrote and lick kampuchea while you're at it,

If you can’t be with the one you love
Love The One You’re With

Watch on YouTube

[Capn'O]

Really? Not even in my top five. Maybe not even top ten. Still a great song though.

Refugee and Breakdown are my two favorites

The Waiting and I Won’t Back Down.

Wildflowers and Learning to Fly.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Disagree. That's what being the VP is all about. You voted for Biden, you also voted for her. If he steps down, she steps up. That's the normal hierarchy.

You make it sound like she's some kind of carpetbagger or opportunist which is pretty bizarre. She's in the middle of serving her first term as VP, not some wannabe.

Nobody forced Kamala Harris on you. That's the narrative the GOP is using.

Your take on it is basically you think she's hot garbage, therefore it is easy for you to say she's being shoved down your throat even when that is counter to reality.

To think it would be desirable to invite a knockdown, dragout fight on a convention floor less than two months before the general election would be sheer madness and be a likely path to failure. People back unity, not division. The party is clearly united behind her.

FACTS: Delegates have been pledged to her. She's the nominee.

You want to talk about civics?

Those delegates came from the primaries which invests them with the powers to pledge their support behind the candidate voted for and to support another should that voted for candidate becomes sidelined. Them's the rules bud. Actual electoral procedure. You don't hold a second set of primaries. The delegates step in like they just have. They represent you and just like any representative you may not like their choice, but that's what you get when you voted for Biden in the primaries.

You were DEAD WRONG about Joe being too old when I had that take. Now my take is a fuggin fact! She wasn't a presidential candidate and she was given the position in a shyt show. Acting like JOE planned this? GTFOH with that BS take. He was forced out because he was going to lose! He didn't want to step down. HE HAD TO.

The DNC fugged things up and had to pull a switcheroo at the last possible minute. It isn't how candidates are chosen in the HISTORY of the country. Some people have an issue with that. She is being FORCED ON US! Wtf are you even talking about here? There was no real primary to speak of because they went the incumbent route. So people were basically forced to accept the Biden ticket because of that as well. Now Biden isn't even on the ticket! You like to distort reality to win an argument? Really? The DNC will be lucky if this works. I hope it does. I am all for her winning and I will vote for her. That doesn't excuse the way things went down. Not everyone who votes sucks the blue dick.

That is how delegates work. Not my problem if you don't like the system.

She did not run for the nomination. People vote in primaries. That entire part of this cycle has been forgone and they picked who they wanted without the voice of the people. That does not look good and not everyone agrees with this process. She was absolutely forced on us as the Presidential candidate. There is no way to spin that and make it not a fact.

We all better hope it doesn't push voters away. They may not vote for Trump but, some people may stay home because they don't like her. She got destroyed the one time she did run so, It is no guarantee they didn't lose voters by doing this.

Just because you accept any and every single thing that supports the democratic party doesn't mean everyone else does. You don't even vet all of your talking points when debating things as I pointed out in the last thread. Step back and check yourself and that holier than thou attitude. I was right about Biden being too old last time we mixed words and you tried to shyt on me then too.

I am confident she has a shot to win. I have no faith that the DNC doesn't fuq this up again like they did last time Trump won. It's all about the never Trump movement this time around as much as anything else.

[Capn'O]

I'm realizing now the timing of Biden's announcement was brilliant.

He totally snuffed out any momentum the GOP felt they had coming out of the convention and shifted the whole focus of the media to Harris and the Democrats.

Joe's an old pro. He knew exactly what he was doing and how to pull it off, including keeping it Leon Rose quiet until the last minute.

SAVAGE

The timing really was incredible. I'll add that for a few weeks after the debate there was a lot of talk about a lot of potential candidates. I think everyone was looking for another superstar like Obama. I know I was. That and we had no idea what the process would even look like. We all started to realize around the same time that there wasn't such a candidate and to avoid fracturing the party Harris was the only way forward.

Guess the old bird had some faculties left after all.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You done throwing your hissy fit?

Now who ya gonna vote for? Trump or Kamala?

This is not how presidential candidates are chosen. It never has been. So being displeased with the fact that anyone with a brain saw this coming is not something anyone needs to be disrespectful about. Go back and read what I wrote and lick kampuchea while you're at it,

If you can’t be with the one you love
Love The One You’re With

Watch on YouTube

Great music talk in this thread!

Too bad some people don't understand that not everyone is happy with the way this election has unfolded to this point. This is UNPRECEDENTED and not everyone is happy about it. That's a fact. I have had this discussion with several people who feel the same way. They all agree blue no matter who right now but, this isn't how elections are run in the history of the country. God forbid facts enter the discussion.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I'm realizing now the timing of Biden's announcement was brilliant.

He totally snuffed out any momentum the GOP felt they had coming out of the convention and shifted the whole focus of the media to Harris and the Democrats.

Joe's an old pro. He knew exactly what he was doing and how to pull it off, including keeping it Leon Rose quiet until the last minute.

SAVAGE

The timing really was incredible. I'll add that for a few weeks after the debate there was a lot of talk about a lot of potential candidates. I think everyone was looking for another superstar like Obama. I know I was. That and we had no idea what the process would even look like. We all started to realize around the same time that there wasn't such a candidate and to avoid fracturing the party Harris was the only way forward.

Guess the old bird had some faculties left after all.

Joe has nothing to do with the timing oher than he was unfit to run in the first place. He was forced out and did not want to step down initially. It took the entire dem party to force him out. Glad he was gracious about it in the end.

[HarthorneWingo]

Refugee and Breakdown are my two favorites

The Waiting and I Won’t Back Down.

Wildflowers and Learning to Fly.

Learning To Fly

I have the Wildfowers CD that I recall buying at Tower Records.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'm realizing now the timing of Biden's announcement was brilliant.

He totally snuffed out any momentum the GOP felt they had coming out of the convention and shifted the whole focus of the media to Harris and the Democrats.

Joe's an old pro. He knew exactly what he was doing and how to pull it off, including keeping it Leon Rose quiet until the last minute.

SAVAGE

The timing really was incredible. I'll add that for a few weeks after the debate there was a lot of talk about a lot of potential candidates. I think everyone was looking for another superstar like Obama. I know I was. That and we had no idea what the process would even look like. We all started to realize around the same time that there wasn't such a candidate and to avoid fracturing the party Harris was the only way forward.

Guess the old bird had some faculties left after all.

Joe has nothing to do with the timing oher than he was unfit to run in the first place. He was forced out and did not want to step down initially. It took the entire dem party to force him out. Glad he was gracious about it in the end.

[Best Leonard Nimoy Spock voice impersonation] "Their politics are truly fascinating."

Why do you assume - already - that Biden had a hand in withdrawing and backing Harris? The evidence for that seems very sparse

[Luv those Knicks]

Unfortunately, your responses have devolved into the same stuff like all the rest. Never did I claim what happened was ok. It's a waste of time trying to have a discussion when being straw manned and so blatantly.

Never claimed it was ok, and your ignore the fact that you interpreting what was said as him trying to cheat, is not the end of democracy and there was zero reason to believe such cheating was even possible. The histrionics just aren't useful.

We agree on two things.

One: Most of the stuff Trump did was not OK

Two: Further discussion is a waste of time.

What you don't seem to understand is that, if Trump had succeeded in what he very obviously tried to have done, that would have been the most anti-democracy thing that ever happened in American History. And this man, with a complete lack of integrity and far right and self-serving attitude, with a bias supreme court behind him, and cart-blanche presidential immunity, is currently looking for 4 more years.

You should probably cut people a break when they say "the end of democracy", and while I agree with you, it might not be the end, but a Trump victory would be a gut-punch to American democracy.

[Luv those Knicks]

My Mom had it and it was one of the worst times in my life. Initially, the doctors had her on Aricept which probably delayed it somehow. I would believe that the POTUS has much better medication.

But there is NO WAY that Biden, in his current state, has a pulse on every dam issue plaguing this country. At this point, his handlers just push him out there nervously to say a few words. Is that who you want as a front man and not know who is making our choices?

I'm actually saddened at the choices this country is putting out there.

First, I'm very sorry for what you went through. I was a caretaker for 20 years. My mom lost the ability to walk around 2003 (I started caretaking a couple years before the wheelchair), and she passed away a few days before Christmas, 2020, at 100 years old.

There were moments of confusion, but nothing nearly as bad as the stories others are telling, and it sounds terrible. Worth, perhaps, a separate and depressing thread. I had things I had to deal with. Her refusing to go to bed, and not being able to go to bed without assistance, so I'd sometimes be up till 4:00 or 5:00 AM and have to get up for work in 2 hours.

and having the same conversation so many times because she didn't recognize the apt we were living in.

But as far as Biden having his "finger on the pulse" of current events. I think you underestimate Biden. He's slow. He talks and moves like an old man. He doesn't speak well, but Biden today, I would wager, has a better understanding of current national issues than Trump had when he was president. Trump was flat out ignorant, and he never read anything. He asked his staff to simplify current issues to one sheet of paper, double spaced, written in large letters in crayon.

Biden, I'm quite sure, has a respectable understanding, even today, on current issues and he has better people around him that Trump to explain any details he doesn't know. Details, that unlike Trump, he would be interested in.