Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

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who is that taj? Gotta post reputable people...I know friends with more followers.

I got this from the general board.

[DOLPHIN2020]

There's not a lot of bigmen that had it, but many have made full recoveries. Al Jefferson had it.

Now list the players that came back from an Achilles. It's not a long list. It's Dominique Wilkins.

Oh and Durant is 7 feet as well. Only 3 inches shorter than KP, so the whole height thing is moot.

For the record I didn't ask that question as a setup, I asked it because I read your post, really disagreed with "perpetuating the myth that KP's injury will haunt him forever", and since I was at a kids' sporting event I couldn't do the research right then.

I honestly couldn't think of any. And I feel Al Jefferson actually supports my case - that was a young, dynamic bigman who was the centerpiece in the Garnett trade, and had his best season in the one he got hurt. He was on the upswing, and while he came close in later years to the same level of production he posted the year he got hurt, he never fully came back to even that level. He was 24 and seen as a franchise cornerstone when he got hurt, and it turns out that was the pinnacle of a career many people thought was on it's way to another stratosphere. They traded him less than two years later.

If KP's career production trajectory is going to mimic Jefferson's in terms of how he comes back, the Mavs are in a boatload of trouble in my opinion. Regardless, my main point in responding to your initial post was that I don't think that Porzingis' injury is in any way something that is a layup to come back from. In fact, because of his physical profile I think it's actually something that presents strong odds at impacting his career dramatically, whether an instant ceiling upon his return or further problems down the road. David West was not the same, Nerlens Noel never panned out, Gallinari had comparable rate stats upon his return but couldn't stay on the court, Nene came back and became a great backup bigman, but like you said, there haven't been many.

And I'm not insinuating anything at all about Durant and his achilles for the record - it's a horrific injury with a poor track record. Just that I don't think Porzingis is in any way free and clear.

I'm not a doctor, but I don't think it works that way though. It's not like if you're above a certain height you won't recover, and if you're below you will. Everyone has a different physiology, and heals differently.

The fact is that ACLs are a much easier injury to recover from compared to Achilles tears. Of course there is risk for both, but one is significantly worse than the other. It's like comparing a knife wound to a gun shot. Both can be deadly, but the gun shot tends to worse.


Also were you listening to Alan Hahn's radio show? He was asking who has a better chance at recovery, 22 year old KP or 31 year old Durant, and it was his opinion that Durant is the much safer option. As if Achilles injuries are easy to overcome but ACL tears are not.

KP still only 22? the dude never ages...

[HarthorneWingo]

Dear Mr. KD:

We regret to information that, um, ya know what? No meeting. Nope. No can do. Sorry, but Mssrs. Dolan, Mills, and Perry along with Mr. Azoff are going to be in Europe as JD and the band is opening up for Eagles. He needs Mills and Perry for some reason. Thus, they will be in absentia.

Good luck in your future endeavors and fck off.



-Harthorne Wingo, Esquire
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[TheGreenArrow]

wow so kawhi to the lakers looks like its happening. Hard Passs on kd and lets just build around Rj.

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[DaGawd]

So if the Knicks convince KD... We have a solid chance on Kawhi?? I'd gladly take in KD (pause) if that's the case

[SelbyCobra]

There's not a lot of bigmen that had it, but many have made full recoveries. Al Jefferson had it.

Now list the players that came back from an Achilles. It's not a long list. It's Dominique Wilkins.

Oh and Durant is 7 feet as well. Only 3 inches shorter than KP, so the whole height thing is moot.

For the record I didn't ask that question as a setup, I asked it because I read your post, really disagreed with "perpetuating the myth that KP's injury will haunt him forever", and since I was at a kids' sporting event I couldn't do the research right then.

I honestly couldn't think of any. And I feel Al Jefferson actually supports my case - that was a young, dynamic bigman who was the centerpiece in the Garnett trade, and had his best season in the one he got hurt. He was on the upswing, and while he came close in later years to the same level of production he posted the year he got hurt, he never fully came back to even that level. He was 24 and seen as a franchise cornerstone when he got hurt, and it turns out that was the pinnacle of a career many people thought was on it's way to another stratosphere. They traded him less than two years later.

If KP's career production trajectory is going to mimic Jefferson's in terms of how he comes back, the Mavs are in a boatload of trouble in my opinion. Regardless, my main point in responding to your initial post was that I don't think that Porzingis' injury is in any way something that is a layup to come back from. In fact, because of his physical profile I think it's actually something that presents strong odds at impacting his career dramatically, whether an instant ceiling upon his return or further problems down the road. David West was not the same, Nerlens Noel never panned out, Gallinari had comparable rate stats upon his return but couldn't stay on the court, Nene came back and became a great backup bigman, but like you said, there haven't been many.

And I'm not insinuating anything at all about Durant and his achilles for the record - it's a horrific injury with a poor track record. Just that I don't think Porzingis is in any way free and clear.

I'm not a doctor, but I don't think it works that way though. It's not like if you're above a certain height you won't recover, and if you're below you will. Everyone has a different physiology, and heals differently.

The fact is that ACLs are a much easier injury to recover from compared to Achilles tears. Of course there is risk for both, but one is significantly worse than the other. It's like comparing a knife wound to a gun shot. Both can be deadly, but the gun shot tends to worse.

I agree with you completely here - no argument from me. I would only push back a little on serious knee/ankle/foot injuries being traditionally worse for big men.

[Knicksfan1992]

wow so kawhi to the lakers looks like its happening. Hard Passs on kd and lets just build around Rj.

You know we can both sign Kd and build around RJ. They arent mutually exclusive ideas

[HarthorneWingo]

wow so kawhi to the lakers looks like its happening. Hard Passs on kd and lets just build around Rj.

Kawhi to the Lakers? No way.

[Guano]

He was never coming to the knicks come on. KD versus Lebron and AD. NY vs. LA. Hes from southern California and even if he wasn't whos picking NY over LA as a NBA player.

Uhh, the Knicks were on his list of 4 teams that he would like to be traded to last year. There were huge debates of whether the Knicks should offer KP for him.

I tried to tell these motherfckers we should have done it.

but if we listened to you we wouldn't have this

[BLACKFEET 2010]

So....thoughts on Scary Terry?

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I call 100% bull

This is not 4d chess

The people driving this boat aren’t the teams. The players are determining who wanna play with.

[3eePointGoal]

So....thoughts on Scary Terry?

He doesn't move the needle for me. If we dont get kd or any big free agent, I rather see what dsj has to offer this season. As I see a higher upside in him. Terry would fit in w Indiana now that collison done retired.

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[DowNY]

So if the Knicks convince KD... We have a solid chance on Kawhi?? I'd gladly take in KD (pause) if that's the case

2010 & Chris Carter always said KD & Kawhi was possible for the Knicks. That injury really screwed us.

[xNewYorkMadex]

I can see Kawhi going to the Lakers. Makes sense for him even though it would be an incredibly weak move and basically GSW version 2.0

Kawhi is back home where he always wanted. Gets to collect rings, and be able to build his brand with New Balance. Kawhi doesn’t give a fk about the criticism he will receive. He has 2 rings and 2 finals mvp’s and already beat LeBron in the finals. He probably feels he has nothing to prove. People will criticize him for being LeBron’s sidekick. But Kawhi seems like a guy who truly doesn’t give a fk whether he’s the star or 6th man. Guy is basically on cruise control for the rest of his career if he signs with the Lakers.

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