2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[8516knicks]

agreed, still a long way to go but he did take his TS% from 42% last year to 50% this year. That is a huge jump in one season. His FT% also went from 77% last year to 86% and he shot 32% from 3 a career high (which is still need to greatly improve). He also made 43% of his drives up from 39% last year.

So we did see improvement. Obviously not at the rate we all hoped. The 3 pt % need to get near the high 30's though. 100% agree there I would be shocked if he wasn't over 35% next year with the way he has improved in the other facets of his game (slowly )

Oh yeah, to his credit he has improved. Still waiting for that big leap to happen. We might have finally been on the cusp of seeing it before the season ended. He just had his best career game. Even if it's just continued slow improvement I really want Frank to be on this team long term and I hope we can retain him in some capacity

ideally I would love to sign him to a long term low value contract. With the cap going down next year. I think give him an extension at that time might be wise for a smaller annual but longer year because at minimum he has shown to be a worth while 20 minute a night bench piece at 21.

Plus it would be nice to have a decent (not even stars) player on the team who were actually drafted by the Knicks and lasted over 5 years with us. For the novelty, if nothing else.

[3toheadmelo]

there is a similarity between all 3. frank is just the worst one. if frank had better vision and those 3s went in more there would be little difference. the knicks need a guard who can score in multiple ways.

Yeah well Frank doesnt have better vision and no 3 ball. Which is why theres no similarity

you know damn well what mpharris and me are saying. you can admit this is true and still sh*t on frank.

frank is like the picture of the caveman on the evolution chart before he becomes the human which is lonzo

Might as well say Franks ceiling is Jason Kidd

[a-French-Fan]

No credit for making a play? Have you seen Frank or DSJ do that?

NITPICKING

Oh sorry I didn't see how he jumped so high to avoid the block, how they defended so hard.

For Frank I invite you to watch (again?) its 4th quarter at word cup last summer Vs team USA ^^

Lol what? He hit a tough pull up jumper dude, relax... players also get better and more explosive you know, he’s just ahead of his current competition.

I’ve seen every Frank play since his days of being a Knick. I’m a fan of his potential as a Swiss Army knife. He doesn’t provide anything close to what Terry would give us.

"Dude"... Nice to meet you too

Not just one. It was big shots, that was the point. As a Swiss Army knife, I think he has a high potential for the Knicks too. But this guy may also take big shots. But maybe not in Knicks' system. You will never see him play for his own. Maybe Terry would give Knicks some thing more interesting as a creator than Frank(I agree with you, it is not so hard), I hope it for you.
I just said this guy made a bad decision on the second shot. The kind of decisions that bring a lot of players to the bench. However, I am not telling he is not good as Frank or DSJ etc... It was not a good video. If you think he made a play, great ^^

[mpharris36]

Yeah well Frank doesnt have better vision and no 3 ball. Which is why theres no similarity

you know damn well what mpharris and me are saying. you can admit this is true and still sh*t on frank.

frank is like the picture of the caveman on the evolution chart before he becomes the human which is lonzo

Might as well say Franks ceiling is Jason Kidd

the comps for lonzo to be jason kidd were ridiculous as well. Kidd says as much

[3toheadmelo]

i really don't understand the people that want haliburton. how many guards that can't create for themselves does one team need ? it's like you all want to draft a backup frank in case the first one doesn't work out. 2 franks, no mustard.

Causes he’s not Frank at all. He’s more Lonzo

I mean if Haliburton was Lonzo he wouldn't be mocked in a weaker class in the 6-10 range. There are some similarities but he is not the athlete lonzo is which is a huge difference. Haliburton is much more of a Frank level athlete than a Lonzo level athlete.

I ain’t never seen Frank do this.


Meanwhile this is the most hops we’ve ever seen by Frank

Watch on YouTube

[god shammgod]

Yeah well Frank doesnt have better vision and no 3 ball. Which is why theres no similarity

you know damn well what mpharris and me are saying. you can admit this is true and still sh*t on frank.

frank is like the picture of the caveman on the evolution chart before he becomes the human which is lonzo

Might as well say Franks ceiling is Jason Kidd

the point is, they're limited as scorers. jason kidd never averaged 20 points either. and none of them will be him.

[mpharris36]

Causes he’s not Frank at all. He’s more Lonzo

I mean if Haliburton was Lonzo he wouldn't be mocked in a weaker class in the 6-10 range. There are some similarities but he is not the athlete lonzo is which is a huge difference. Haliburton is much more of a Frank level athlete than a Lonzo level athlete.

I ain’t never seen Frank do this.


Meanwhile this is the most hops we’ve ever seen by Frank

Watch on YouTube

like this?

Watch on YouTube

I'll take a dunk over a defensive player of the year in the NBA over a white guy that will never play in the NBA if you asked me.

[3toheadmelo]

you know damn well what mpharris and me are saying. you can admit this is true and still sh*t on frank.

frank is like the picture of the caveman on the evolution chart before he becomes the human which is lonzo

Might as well say Franks ceiling is Jason Kidd

the point is, they're limited as scorers. jason kidd never averaged 20 points either. and none of them will be him.

At least Haliburton/Lonzo/Kidd flirt with triple doubles every night. I would take that everyday over someone like Frank.

[mpharris36]

you know damn well what mpharris and me are saying. you can admit this is true and still sh*t on frank.

frank is like the picture of the caveman on the evolution chart before he becomes the human which is lonzo

Might as well say Franks ceiling is Jason Kidd

the point is, they're limited as scorers. jason kidd never averaged 20 points either. and none of them will be him.

and to that point...all 3 of them are even in the same stratosphere as kidd was in the half court/pick and roll.

In his two years in college Haliburton avg 10 pts a game. He took a step up this year but he will not be a main playmaker of an offense.

Thats not even a knock on him....I like him a lot and his skill set. But what I don't understand is someone that hates on Frank, is going to be interested in selecting a slightly better offensive version of him?

[3toheadmelo]

I mean if Haliburton was Lonzo he wouldn't be mocked in a weaker class in the 6-10 range. There are some similarities but he is not the athlete lonzo is which is a huge difference. Haliburton is much more of a Frank level athlete than a Lonzo level athlete.

I ain’t never seen Frank do this.


Meanwhile this is the most hops we’ve ever seen by Frank

Watch on YouTube

like this?

Watch on YouTube

I'll take a dunk over a defensive player of the year in the NBA over a white guy that will never play in the NBA if you asked me.

Man get that sorry dunk out of my face that wasnt even a poster

[3toheadmelo]

He got them Frank hops tho!

Read on Twitter

[3toheadmelo]

Anybody see Frank here

Read on Twitter

[mpharris36]

He got them Frank hops tho!

Read on Twitter

they are nearly identical athletes, haliburton just wont be able to put on as much weight.

[mpharris36]

Anybody see Frank here

Read on Twitter

so your going to quote someone that says haliburton is a better passer than LaMelo to slander frank

[HEZI]

You know who else drew Frank comparisons before the draft?

SGA

He averaged 19 PPG last season

Not every 6'5" lanky guard is going to be an incapable scorer like Frank Ntilikina

[3toheadmelo]

Anybody see Frank here

Read on Twitter

so your going to quote someone that says haliburton is a better passer than LaMelo to slander frank

They're pretty close as passers. And I posted it to show you that Frank is not even in the same convo as them. But I see you missed that point

[mpharris36]

You know who else drew Frank comparisons before the draft?

SGA

He averaged 19 PPG last season

Not every 6'5" lanky guard is going to be an incapable scorer like Frank Ntilikina

i mean I always have concerns about comparing anyone to Kentucky players. Callipari has a way of limiting his players offesnive potential so that everyone can play a certain role. Look at KAT production at Kentucky, AD's production, Bookers production. Even then SGA was a more dynamic player with the ball in his hands than Haliburton. He just wasn't utilized like that.

Haliburton is a more of a ball distirbutor though. SGA has more natural scoring ability especially in the P&R where Haliburton is relatively avg in the half court. And SGA has ISO ability, where Haliburton is poor in that area.

[mpharris36]

Anybody see Frank here

Read on Twitter

so your going to quote someone that says haliburton is a better passer than LaMelo to slander frank

They're pretty close as passers. And I posted it to show you that Frank is not even in the same convo as them. But I see you missed that point

no i didn't. Haliburton is no where near the playmaker that Lamelo is. Haliburton doesn't have the handle to create that seperation that Lamelo does or the finishing ability around the basket. They aint close with the ball in there hands.

Now Laliburton is a better defender and shooter than Lamelo. That is facts.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I like Frank, but he should not effect our draft decision.

[HEZI]

You know who else drew Frank comparisons before the draft?

SGA

He averaged 19 PPG last season

Not every 6'5" lanky guard is going to be an incapable scorer like Frank Ntilikina

i mean I always have concerns about comparing anyone to Kentucky players. Callipari has a way of limiting his players offesnive potential so that everyone can play a certain role. Look at KAT production at Kentucky, AD's production, Bookers production. Even then SGA was a more dynamic player with the ball in his hands than Haliburton. He just wasn't utilized like that.

Haliburton is a more of a ball distirbutor though. SGA has more natural scoring ability especially in the P&R where Haliburton is relatively avg in the half court.

Calipari didn't limit Shai in any way whatsoever. Shai wasn't even that good in college. He had to beat out Quade Green for minutes in the beginning because most people didn't even know him like that since he wasn't a top recruit. Calipari wasn't holding him back, if anything Calipari gave him the opportunity and had no issue benching Quade who was the more highly rated prospect going into the season.