PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[Knicksfan1992]

You can always tell members of the Closet Kenny Club by statements like that.

McMillan sent doubles at Randle and overplayed shooters. It's the exact same thing the Heat did and no master class in coaching.
Thib wasn't "outcoached" by some wide margin.

The fairly sh*tty roster was exposed.

Sorry Frank didn't get any minutes. That doesn't mean Thibs sucks. It means Frank sucks, as he has through like 18 coaches now. Unfortunately. I was really rooting for the guy. He'll probably put it all together on some other team. Specifically the Mavs, so the prophecy can be fulfilled.

someone woke up angry this morning...carry on

I was fairly hung over.

Anyway, Thibs could have tried to integrate Frank. Other than that, I didn't see any obvious outcoaching.

Yeah the Knicks just didn't have the personnel to deal with a speedy pg who can consistently make the right decision with the ball in his hands.. Outside of Frank, the Knicks just didn't really have the point of attack guys who could stop him or make life hard on him. Oddly enough I think we would have fared better against the Sixers in the following round who are more talented but whose roster is more catered to our defensive strengths.

Having Elfrid be a complete zero hurt not only hurt us when he was on the floor but also hurt us when he was out because that essentially became a wasted veteran roster spot that could have been used more appropriately for a series like this. It's Leon's one big blind spot so far that needs to be addressed this offseason either with an immediate veteran upgrade or at least a younger guy who has a chance to be above average down the line. Frank and Elf are outta here.

[Chanel Bomber]

Then why give him a 5 year contract? If tanking was the goal, why not just keep Hornacek? Or just get someone like Herb Williams or Rambis to lead the tank?

Why pay a young coach $4m per year just to fire him after 1.25 seasons on a 5 year deal.

Why fire Steve Mills too? If the goal was tanking, then he did his job to perfection.

Because his timeline coincided with the KD and Kyrie free agency, and Mills felt that Fizdale's relationships and resume as an assistant coach in Miami who won the chip would help recruit them.

The Knicks tanked one year. It's not nearly enough, but they did it one year. No need to push the "Knicks never tank" narrative to its extreme, how they handled it is bad enough.

So they thought he would be a successful coach, not a patsy to pad losses.

Rewatch the press conference. They don't say anything about it's going to be tough. Everything is about doing it the right way.

They knew what they were doing with the roster they put together. It's also clear Fizdale received the mandate to play Knox heavy minutes, even though he was absolutely atrocious.

You can't tell me you believed what Mills, Perry and Fiz told the media publicly. They were never going to admit they were tanking for Zion, so all they gave us is a bunch of platitudes about culture, toughness and competing. These words meant absolutely nothing.

[god shammgod]

i think they thought he would be a good coach for superstars who didn't really want to be coached. isn't that what nash is ? i think they were trying to get zion in the draft so yeah, i think they weren't really trying to win for that one particular year.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

[god shammgod]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

[Chanel Bomber]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

[Sark]

Fizdale was considered one of the good young coaches in the league. There's no way he was ok with putting 60+ losses on his record his first year. No freaking way.


His reputation is in shambles after that season. He probably can't even get a director of video job again.

[mpharris36]

You can always tell members of the Closet Kenny Club by statements like that.

McMillan sent doubles at Randle and overplayed shooters. It's the exact same thing the Heat did and no master class in coaching.
Thib wasn't "outcoached" by some wide margin.

The fairly sh*tty roster was exposed.

Sorry Frank didn't get any minutes. That doesn't mean Thibs sucks. It means Frank sucks, as he has through like 18 coaches now. Unfortunately. I was really rooting for the guy. He'll probably put it all together on some other team. Specifically the Mavs, so the prophecy can be fulfilled.

someone woke up angry this morning...carry on

I was fairly hung over.

Anyway, Thibs could have tried to integrate Frank. Other than that, I didn't see any obvious outcoaching.

Honestly it wasn't even a Frank thing. I thought he should have attacked trae young more. Bullock was offering zero resistance on Trae anyways. Sure he could of tried Frank but that wouldn't have offered us more offense.

Thibs should have made life more difficult on Trae by making him guard. That was my biggest gripe. Especially with the way Randle played we were desperately looking for offense all series. Whether that was more IQ vs Trae or more bigger lineups with RJ at the 2 and Rose at the 1...to make sure Trae was forced to guard either one of them. I thought that was where Thibs dropped the ball.

Sure his main engine had a horrendous series...I thought Thibs could have adjusted a bit better. By no means am I blaming him for the loss...but everyone deserves some level of blame for that shellacking.

[god shammgod]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

done

[Chanel Bomber]

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

done

[GONYK]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

I think they picked their street when they hired Thibs

[mpharris36]

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

done

jesus

[Cookies4Life]

If they really want to go all in this summer than try and get a meeting with Kawhi Leonard and throw the max at him with a contract structured to however he likes. We might actually have a chance at him if the Mavs end up beating the Clippers since LAC can't really improve their team unless they find a taker for PG.

If Portland ends up losing to the Nuggets, do a sign and trade for Lillard. It's going to cost a TON but he's worth it. Maybe 4 1st round picks, IQ or Obi plus Randle. That seems like a fair haul if Lillard finally sees the light and requests a trade. If one of RJ or Randle has to go in a deal for Lillard, I'd rather it be Randle and hopefully we can keep Obi and groom him as our starting PF moving forward.

Lock in Mitchell Robinson to a 3 or 4 year deal- put provisions in his contract that he gets bonuses if he plays a certain amount of games per season. Lock up Rose and Burks to help fortify the second unit on short 2 year deals.

Build around Lillard and Leonard. That core can compete for a title for years to come.

We brought Leon Rose and William Wesley in for their connections throughout the league. This team's perception has to have changed with superstars after the season we had. I really don't think it's that far fetched to go superstar hunting this offseason especially if it's with disgruntled superstars that are continually getting bounced out early every year in the playoffs.

[ENYK]

The Knicks need to pick a street and commit to one direction this summer or next.

This first-round series highlighted the risk that the Knicks might end up stuck on a treadmill if they don't make a move before the rookie extensions start kicking in.

Should they make a win-now trade, it'll be interesting to see who Leon Rose decides to keep. Let's not forget, he didn't draft RJ, nor did he sign Randle. IQ and Obi are his guys, and one could argue they have a higher ceiling than the two aforementioned players.

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

Yeah, the parallels are definitely there. Nobody worth mentioning will come here. Randle will get his extension and then we'll eventually get tired of just missing the playoffs and accumulating late lotto picks and trade him to another s*** team looking to make the playoffs... for more late lotto picks and scraps.

If we don't trade Randle this offseason for picks (we should look at doing whatever it takes to move up in the draft) we're pretty much delaying the inevitable.

[Chanel Bomber]

knicks the new orlando. randle the new vuc. rj the new gordon. thibs the new steve clifford.

You see it too.

Change your favorite team logo like me then

Yeah, the parallels are definitely there. Nobody worth mentioning will come here. Randle will get his extension and then we'll eventually get tired of just missing the playoffs and accumulating late lotto picks and trade him to another s*** team looking to make the playoffs... for more late lotto picks and scraps.

If we don't trade Randle this offseason for picks (we should look at doing whatever it takes to move up in the draft) we're pretty much delaying the inevitable.

You know what to do.

[Chanel Bomber]

Not to kill Randle, but it was pretty obvious the game was over when he got his technical at halftime.

Not valuing that one point (the technical free throw) in an elimination game because you're more focused on being petty vs Trae is nuts.

He looked incredibly emotional and lacking composure throughout the game (and throughout the series).

[K_ick_God]

Not to kill Randle, but it was pretty obvious the game was over when he got his technical at halftime.

Not valuing that one point (the technical free throw) in an elimination game because you're more focused on being petty vs Trae is nuts.

He looked incredibly emotional and lacking composure throughout the game (and throughout the series).

So strange right.

[RHODEY]

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[K_ick_God]

Randle really didn't care at all about Capela. Instead he came out and played increasingly more erratically. In some ways I think he just wanted to get the series over and the activity level and turnovers were like a big fake hustle.

[robillionaire]

Not to kill Randle, but it was pretty obvious the game was over when he got his technical at halftime.

Not valuing that one point (the technical free throw) in an elimination game because you're more focused on being petty vs Trae is nuts.

He looked incredibly emotional and lacking composure throughout the game (and throughout the series).

So strange right.

It actually didn't seem strange, I noticed every time we got way behind in a game he would act this way all season long, it just so happened we won a lot of games and rarely got blown out. the worse we fall behind the more he presses and forces bad decisions and the more he does that the more we fall behind. When the game was close or we had a lead, he played under control