Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC

[2010]

I actually remember reading that OKC was letting teams see his medicals. It must’ve been bad

Why would you be openly sharing the medicals if they’re that bad? Wouldn’t you offer to share medicals to quell concerns?

If they weren’t willing to share it then that’s even a worse sign. They had to share it at this point, even if it was bad.

So basically you just speculating. Cuz I can reasonably argue that sharing medicals doesn’t spell a doom and gloom scenario. At the end of the day we all know we won’t be getting prime 100% healthy Kemba but I’m also not ready to say he is a straight up cripple.

[3toheadmelo]

Why would you be openly sharing the medicals if they’re that bad? Wouldn’t you offer to share medicals to quell concerns?

If they weren’t willing to share it then that’s even a worse sign. They had to share it at this point, even if it was bad.

So basically you just speculating. Cuz I can reasonably argue that sharing medicals doesn’t spell a doom and gloom scenario. At the end of the day we all know we won’t be getting prime 100% healthy Kemba but I’m also not ready to say he is a straight up cripple.

Jake Fischer (the guy who knew all our signings) said that OKC felt confident they could find a team to take on Kemba in a trade IF his medicals were good. Then a week later he was bought out

[2010]

If they weren’t willing to share it then that’s even a worse sign. They had to share it at this point, even if it was bad.

So basically you just speculating. Cuz I can reasonably argue that sharing medicals doesn’t spell a doom and gloom scenario. At the end of the day we all know we won’t be getting prime 100% healthy Kemba but I’m also not ready to say he is a straight up cripple.

Jake Fischer (the guy who knew all our signings) said that OKC felt confident they could find a team to take on Kemba in a trade IF his medicals were good. Then a week later he was bought out

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

[3toheadmelo]

So basically you just speculating. Cuz I can reasonably argue that sharing medicals doesn’t spell a doom and gloom scenario. At the end of the day we all know we won’t be getting prime 100% healthy Kemba but I’m also not ready to say he is a straight up cripple.

Jake Fischer (the guy who knew all our signings) said that OKC felt confident they could find a team to take on Kemba in a trade IF his medicals were good. Then a week later he was bought out

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

[god shammgod]

Jake Fischer (the guy who knew all our signings) said that OKC felt confident they could find a team to take on Kemba in a trade IF his medicals were good. Then a week later he was bought out

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

[robillionaire]

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles.

now that everyone watched summer league we are thanking the lord we have a pg like kemba instead of playing extended minutes to iq and sims is coming for mitch's backup job

furthermore f all them kids

I would ship them all to the g league and replace them with free agent vets like wes matthews because they're all busts

burks would have had 50 points yesterday

[robillionaire]

[3toheadmelo]

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

[god shammgod]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles.

now that everyone watched summer league we are thanking the lord we have a pg like kemba instead of playing extended minutes to iq and sims is coming for mitch's backup job

furthermore f all them kids

I would ship them all to the g league and replace them with free agent vets like wes matthews because they're all busts

burks would have had 50 points yesterday

you've basically become another green arrow with this character you're playing. and everyone knows he's the worst person on earth. i hope you're proud of yourself

[god shammgod]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

maybe they are trash. but if they are, let's lose because they're trash and get some other young players who are actually good.

[3toheadmelo]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

maybe they are trash. but if they are, let's lose because they're trash and get some other young players who are actually good.

I feel you cause this plan might not work and we might be stuck with no stars around Randle, so this whole thing might be a waste and we probably should’ve went full youth. On the flip side our youth might be mediocre enough to get us the 8th pick instead of a top 5 so we might be screwed either way

Low key im getting 2017 Knicks vibes when we got D Rose with Melo, Courtney lee and KP. We all thought D Rose had to be a instant upgrade over Calderon and his impact was probably worse. I sorta feel the same way with Kemba and Payton, after watching Kemba in the playoffs. Oh boy.. lol

At this point all you can do is hope for the best and the Knicks make enough noise in the playoffs this year to get another star.

[god shammgod]

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

maybe they are trash. but if they are, let's lose because they're trash and get some other young players who are actually good.

I feel you cause this plan might not work and we might be stuck with no stars around Randle, so this whole thing might be a waste and we probably should’ve went full youth. On the flip side our youth might be mediocre enough to get us the 8th pick instead of a top 5 so we might be screwed either way

Low key im getting 2017 Knicks vibes when we got D Rose with Melo, Courtney lee and KP. We all thought D Rose had to be a instant upgrade over Calderon and his impact was probably worse. I sorta feel the same way with Kemba and Payton, after watching Kemba in the playoffs. Oh boy.. lol

At this point all you can do is hope for the best and the Knicks make enough noise in the playoffs this year to get another
star.

yeah. the fournier signing felt very courtney lee-ish

[bearadonisdna]

super cool that the pointguard position is finally solidified.
plus rose and kemba can play together.

Still got high hopes for Quickley. Fournier is an upgrade to Bullocks and multi positional.

Last year the roster wasnt championship caliber but a league tops defense is championship caliber.
Kinda giving you a punchers chance except i feel thibs had a brain fart and started derrick and noel being benched etc.

[mpharris36]

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

maybe they are trash. but if they are, let's lose because they're trash and get some other young players who are actually good.

I feel you cause this plan might not work and we might be stuck with no stars around Randle, so this whole thing might be a waste and we probably should’ve went full youth. On the flip side our youth might be mediocre enough to get us the 8th pick instead of a top 5 so we might be screwed either way

Low key im getting 2017 Knicks vibes when we got D Rose with Melo, Courtney lee and KP. We all thought D Rose had to be a instant upgrade over Calderon and his impact was probably worse. I sorta feel the same way with Kemba and Payton, after watching Kemba in the playoffs. Oh boy.. lol

At this point all you can do is hope for the best and the Knicks make enough noise in the playoffs this year to get another star.

After one day of summer league Melo is like give me some of those draft prospects

[robillionaire]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

The celtics had to give up assets to get out of the contract, why did OKC expect teams to give them more assets to get back into the contract?

we were probably the dumb team they expected to give them assets for kemba and we hoodwinked them. who else would have done this?

[WargamesX]

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

I agree with you but it’s also clear the FO isn’t doing that. Dolan wants playoff money and the FO is locked in to get him that. The best us fans can do is enjoy the ride and hope they over perform again. Kemba as a FA actually filled the most obvious hole they had on the roster at PG due to Elfrid being so bad. Kemba signing was a sublime solution to the PG issue as well, because Rose and him can play around each other and hopefully preserve each other’s health for the playoffs through limiting the time Thibs will play them.

[2010]

Is Kemba the first veteran player ever to be bought out when it was speculated he would be traded?

Spoiler:

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

Cuz even a role playing Kemba is an upgrade over Elf. Just as a role playing Rose was an upgrade Dennis Brick Jr.

Playing kids just cuz they’re kids doesn’t accomplish development. At some point the young player has to show you they are worth the investment of their development.

As for IQ specifically, I’ve seen all I need to see to determine he is not a starting PG in the NBA. He is going to likely top out as a 6th man scoring undersized SG off the bench. And that’s exactly where he is slotted with the current roster construction.

Kemba/Rose even as role players who are not the former version of themselves is still an upgrade over where we started last season as our PG rotation. If you and Melo have concerns about their health and wish to develop kids at the position, well that is what Miles McBride is here for. Both veteran PGs will require load management and McBride can step in at those times. He also gets to go up against these two vets battling them in practice almost daily. He will develop fine in that setting, and way more rapidly than just being handed the keys to a team looking to win and risking having too much on his plate too early. It also beats a scenario where he is backing up Elf and masquerading as a savior cuz the fans prefer ANYONE to elf.

C’mon bro, if you’re telling me you preferred to see IQ for extended backup PG mins then you’re essentially telling me you wanted that to lead to further complaints cuz that would be a situation of miscasting him as something he’s clearly not — as we are currently seeing in Summer League.

[3toheadmelo]

maybe they are trash. but if they are, let's lose because they're trash and get some other young players who are actually good.

I feel you cause this plan might not work and we might be stuck with no stars around Randle, so this whole thing might be a waste and we probably should’ve went full youth. On the flip side our youth might be mediocre enough to get us the 8th pick instead of a top 5 so we might be screwed either way

Low key im getting 2017 Knicks vibes when we got D Rose with Melo, Courtney lee and KP. We all thought D Rose had to be a instant upgrade over Calderon and his impact was probably worse. I sorta feel the same way with Kemba and Payton, after watching Kemba in the playoffs. Oh boy.. lol

At this point all you can do is hope for the best and the Knicks make enough noise in the playoffs this year to get another star.

After one day of summer league Melo is like give me some of those draft prospects

Brought me back to reality after watching Jalen green

[2010]

Pretty much all the vets that were bought out were borderline retiring though

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

People want to make the playoffs cause it might attract another star thru trade or FA. So I get it. I’m not against it although the plan might fail since we’re the Knicks

Tbh most of our youth looked like trash yesterday including IQ so perhaps we’re not missing out on much anyways if they don’t get much playing time in the season lol

I think it’s deeper than that bro. People want to make the playoffs again cuz we want to continue to establish a culture of winning and continue forging the identity Thibs has started to carve for the team. Defense, playing hard, being prepared, etc.

Winning with vets isn’t a fruitless situation. Each young player behind those vets are gaining playoff experience, which is invaluable. Each kid behind those vets are being mentored. Each kid behind those vets are being taught how to take care of their bodies. Each kid behind those vets are taught how to have good practice habits. How to be prepared.

People think you just develop kids by running them out there in hockey shifts of 5-player kid lineups and they will develop. Many serial tanking franchises have proven that approach doesn’t always work. The game has nuances that matter that extend beyond the basketball court.

Just search up quotables of RJ, IQ, Obi, etc and how they spoke of Rose and Taj after they joined the team last season. If you have the right vets, the results are positive development for the kids. Everything I read about Kemba tells me he will be just as influential as Rose was to the younger guards development. I don’t think he will be coming home to prove he is still a star at the kids’ expense. I’m sure he knows his physical limitations now and is at peace with that.

[3toheadmelo]

they become role players after getting bought out. so if that's what kemba is now, why did everyone celebrate so much ? because everyone hated the off season before that signing. is the role player version of kemba making that big a difference for what we did ? personally, i would have rather seen iq with extended minutes as the backup. now that everyone watched summer league, would you rather see noel as the backup or see them develop sims there ?

i don't even know why people would want to make the playoffs unless the young kids all played prominent roles. does it mean anything if the reason we're there are because of guys like rose & burks ? there's no future in that.

A lot of people are expecting all star Kemba cause right before he got hurt again in the playoffs he was looking good. But I’m more skeptical than others cause the fact that no team wanted to give up assets for him says enough.

The celtics had to give up assets to get out of the contract, why did OKC expect teams to give them more assets to get back into the contract?

we were probably the dumb team they expected to give them assets for kemba and we hoodwinked them. who else would have done this?

You’re proving my point though. Nobody wants to give up assets for him cause his knees look done