Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[BrOnXKing1]

I want the Knicks to take this into the season. Jazz wont be good so they will become more desperate to trade Mitchell. At the same time, we will get a chance to see if Obi, Quickley, and Grimes growth and potentially increase their value. Lets say Grimes starts and is playing well, that would def increase his trade value.

[poeman]

Here is my offer:

3 unprotected 1sts
3 protected 1sts (top 5)
Quickley
Sims
Randle or Fournier (maybe to to 3rd team that insert in protected 1st rounder to the pool)

I dont want to trade Obi or Grimes, if I had to choose Grimes is who I part with but a unprotected pick gets taken out

Here is Utah's response.

I am sure we can also convert Randle and Fournier to picks with 3rd team

[Woodsanity]

Calling it now... as long as we don't give away all of our youth (so our bench is still "solid") we will be top 4 and contenders as soon as this season.

Brunson / Rose
Spida / IQ
RJ / Cam
Randle / Paschal?
Mitch / Hart / Sims

...is a contender. 2nd round team, at the least, this playoffs and then a true contender the following. Book it. Write it down. Save the post. Spida all-nba and perennial all-star.

That team will be awful on defense. 2nd round team at most more like it....

[poeman]

I want the Knicks to take this into the season. Jazz wont be good so they will become more desperate to trade Mitchell. At the same time, we will get a chance to see if Obi, Quickley, and Grimes growth and potentially increase their value. Lets say Grimes starts and is playing well, that would def increase his trade value.

No chance I want that for this squad. Will be painful to speculate until next trade deadline

[KnicksNext]

FFS, keep Obi

This team will be able to push the pace. Obi would help them break open countless games that lead to blow-outs

20 minutes of Obi can alter the course of so many games

Yeah, I’d much rather give up Quickley

Absolutely. I like what IQ brings, but he’s going to be redundant and his type of player is much easier to find.

Obi is sui generis among contemporary NBA players. You will not find another one like him for a very long time, if ever. The guy will be a difference maker for whomever he plays even coming off the bench. He is one of the most disruptive players for a guy who is almost purely opportunistic I’ve ever seen. Having a guy you don’t need to run the offense through who does what he does balances out a squad enormously

If they let Obi go they are dense AF

If EVER? Wow, Obi is that good, huh? Why would the Knicks throw him in a deal with 3-4 other players and 5-6 1sts if he's that good? Is our FO that bad?

[mpharris36]

They are in position for a star, and that is a good thing. But i would not call trading picks and young players building thru the draft. Not to compare straight, but they used draft picks or drafted players in the past to trade for players (McDyess, Curry, Marbury, Melo, Steve Francis, Bargs, etc) and that def wasn’t building thru the draft. It can still work out, just something different.

I will give them credit though for doing more in the draft. And Mitch and RJ might stick around for awhile. It’s a different plan though to mindfully bottom out, get a bunch of picks, and be more youth forward then trying to compete with vets and set up to trade for a star.

But hopefully this plan works out. There are multiple ways to build that can work

and mitch and RJ isn't even this regime.

This regime is keeping and paying them though.

Plus Perry drafted them and he's still here making moves

I feel like Perry is Leon Rose and WWW secretary at this point. He isn't final say on the draft that is Walt Perrin, he isn't the cap/asset expert like Brock Aller, and he isn't his right hand man like Leon Rose.

He is probably just picks up the phone and calls other GM's.

I just wouldn't call this rebuilding through the draft...we are asset accumulating for a trade. Most of our young guys and picks are pieces to land a big fish.

What OKC, ORL, HOU, DET are doing is building through the draft.

[8516knicks]

Because that’s what would get the deal done

Oh you know this? Lol. Why wouldn’t he ask for more when you show how desperate you are with no pushback? Nobody else is giving em anything close to that. So naive.

Tell this to Leon Rose and our front office.

someone should

[Obi-One]

Why should the Heat only need to give up their 3 picks and Herro but we need to give 6 and 3 young pieces? Windhorst is a troll

NPC sidewalk Knick fans thinking we're operating like a real franchise and not an extension of CAA just look so dense.

[Oscirus]

whether the trade happens or not, regardless of who you hate or like, I must admire this boards dedication. 250+ pages in 3 day on a trade that's likely not gonna happen is quite impressive

[ag3]

I want the Knicks to take this into the season. Jazz wont be good so they will become more desperate to trade Mitchell. At the same time, we will get a chance to see if Obi, Quickley, and Grimes growth and potentially increase their value. Lets say Grimes starts and is playing well, that would def increase his trade value.

Can't risk waiting. Another team will likely swoop in and steal him.

Need to strike now.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Why should the Heat only need to give up their 3 picks and Herro but we need to give 6 and 3 young pieces? Windhorst is a troll

Because for whatever reason, the Jazz would more willingly send Mitchell to Miami than New York due to bias against New York.

Why would Danny Ainge willingly help Pat Riley win another championship ring?

Do the right thing Danny. Send Mitchell to the Knicks.

I also think Brunson and Mitchell might actually work. Kind of like Frazier/Monroe, or Isiah/Dumars

It might work because Mitchell plays bigger than he is. But he's kinda become lazy on Defense with Rudy behind him. Danny wouldn't help Pat if Pat had a flat tire and Danny had to air tank full of air. lol. Zero love between those guys.

[poeman]

I dont like the Paul George trade comparison because SGA was not max level worthy player when he was moved. He just really developed in OKC. Grimes can blossom but he shouldn't be just some secondary piece

[ag3]

If it's 3 of our own unprotected picks and 3 of the picks that are heavily protected (from trades), its not the same as just saying 6 1st round picks. Huge difference.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Chanel Bomber]

It was a question. Maybe your tiny brain cannot process the meaning of a question mark.

So first things first, what have I been wrong about with regards to the Knicks? Not saying I've always been right, but go ahead and list the things I have been wrong about. Not that I care.

You were wrong about the following:
- KP
- Frank
- Knox
- 2/3rds wrong about Randle

I don't value people with unresolved anger issues who call others sad and pathetic online. But I also understand that there's often a lot of self-projection when people angrily cast aspersions like you do. I would also be tight and frustrated if I were constantly wrong about every young player on the Knicks.

You made the accusation. I called you out on it. Now you're pretending "I was just asking a question"

Holy **** that is weak

I wasn't wrong about KP. He was an all star. He didn't even finish his rookie contract here and we got a good haul for him. He was so bad that we got that haul for him?

Knox? Me??? I was super high on Knox???? Just another example of you needing to lie.

You bashed Randle in 19-20, then you were worshipping Randle during 20-21. Prisoner of the moment.

On top of that you hopped on the RJ bandwagon. So much so that you were praising RJ on the general board. Prisoner of the moment.

Then in typical prisoner of the moment fashion, you went out on Randle & RJ after the ATL series. Then every time this season they had good stretches you tried to joke it off "see he saw what I said that's why he's doing well".

You called Obi a bust a 1000x his rookie year. Now as always you like Obi. Who couldn't see that coming. Typical casual fan who's a prisoner of the moment.

This is a message board not something serious in life and you still can't find the fortitude to stand by your claims here without flip flopping?

Damn homey, that's weak AF.

No, you started it by throwing a subliminal shot at me and the "RJ haters". Nothing's weaker than a subliminal. Again, self-projection.

I asked the question because I wasn't sure. That's why question marks exist.

I do remember you moaning and complaining about the "lack of patience" for Knox. Same as you did for Frank. So don't tell me you weren't wrong about Knox. In the end, those who called him a bust early were right. You were not.

"Frank
Dotson
Knox
Zion
KP

Rejoice!"

Jesus Christ

I changed my mind about RJ. I liked him as a prospect, but admitted I was wrong and changed my mind once I accepted the overwhelming statistical evidence that he sucks.

Randle had a bad year, a good year, and a horrible year. My assessment of his game reflects that. Still, I wanted him traded after the 2020-21 season, because he was not as impactful as his numbers and his perception suggested. I didn't think he was worthy of All-NBA. But still he played well, and as a fan I enjoyed that. Sue me.

See, I can admit I'm wrong. I do change my mind, that doesn't make me a "prisoner of the moment". Only fools never change their mind. You never admit you were wrong, despite time and time again seeing your takes turn into absolute sheet, since nothing you predict actually materializes, outside of a thing here and there. Instead, you just deflect blame, and vaguely bring up "context" as a way to explain why things didn't happen as you predicted, instead of being a grown-up and admitting you were wrong.

[Oscirus]

worst idea trading everything for a one way midget that makes us a fun team for a minute or this new munsters movie

Watch on YouTube

[robillionaire]

Whatever man. if you can’t talk logically about the subject there is no point in this discussion lol

Yes Fournier beat them in a meaningless regular game so they weren’t true contenders.

Tremendous logic

they don’t give out banners for the mythical concept of contending. 29 other teams contended. They lost. Logic

you’re right as long as you take context completely out of it

There one of the youngest teams in the league who were two wins away from a title no there is never a guarantee of anything especially winning a title considering how hard it is but I’d sure love to trade places with them for the next few years as would most teams lol

I agree but my overall point that is being missed here was that if it were the Knicks in the exact same situation, people would be saying what I’m saying about Boston. Both our own fans and national media. They would crap on our Tatum for choking in the finals, say they’re a fraud, say the team has “peaked” and time to blow it up I am playing devil’s advocate for the toxic negativity that will surround this franchise unless they win the championship and NOTHING LESS.

So you guys, if the Knicks go to the ECF a few times and don’t win you gonna sing their praises like you are Boston now?

[KnicksNext]

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

I was excited to see how that lineup would do.

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

Who on our team is the next Jaylen Brown?

[ForeverRDjazz]

whether the trade happens or not, regardless of who you hate or like, I must admire this boards dedication. 250+ pages in 3 day on a trade that's likely not gonna happen is quite impressive

I agree. Watching the action on this post is crazy. Enjoy reading the thoughts going on and how people feel about a deal going down that may never happen. Most like won't happen. Lot slower in the Jazz forum.

[robillionaire]

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

Who on our team is the next Jaylen Brown?

If there was a next Jaylen Brown it would be RJ and we are retaining him. Not saying that I think he is or anything but some fans do